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jordanlund, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

“Console sales are down. Circana analyst Mat Piscatella marked a 26% decline in spending on current-generation consoles this April compared to last April.”

We’re 4 years into the generation, sales declines aren’t uncommon, but this gen has had unique challenges:

  1. Covid fucked it all up. Supply chain issues screwed availability, software engineering ganked game development.
  2. Too much emphasis on “Cross Gen”. Why would someone scramble to get a hard to find PS5 or Xbox Series when the same game is out on PS4/Xbox One X?

Long generations are kind of the new thing, starting with Xbox 360/PS3. Previously they were around 5 years and people are looking for the next machines now.

Eeyore_Syndrome,
@Eeyore_Syndrome@sh.itjust.works avatar

And people cry when games like Elite Dangerous drop console support.

Microsoft and Sony force them to develop for the lowest spec gen, so no you cannot play on your PS5/X whatever because PS4 and One X cannot run new game engine.

They were never more than 20% of the player base.

Also get your free PC copy Here 🥹

nave,
@nave@lemmy.ca avatar

Microsoft and Sony force them to develop for the lowest spec gen

No they don’t. If the developers wanted they could have dropped support for the last gen versions for newer updates (like what cyberpunk did).

Also for what it’s worth they even had a ps4 trailer for the Odyssey dlc.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

I somewhat understand what you are talking about but the buggy and poorly maintained Elite Dangerous isn’t the best example to support your argument. BG3 getting a pass on some features for the series S is exactly what other games should be able to do if it makes sense for them.

Xer0,

Pretty sure the shortest time between Playstation consoles was 6 years (PS1 > PS2 & PS2 > PS3.) Then 7 years for both PS4 and PS5.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Playstation consoles are weird because Sony just can’t let go of old hardware (unless it’s the PSP).

The PS1 was in production from 1994/1995 (Japan/US) to 2006(!) So it technically overlapped both the PS2 and PS3(!)

PS2 ran from 2000 to 2013.

PS3 2006 to 2017.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I think we’re too far out to blame supply chain issues. PS5 is lagging behind PS4 at the same point in its life by about 20M consoles. #2 is both a symptom and a cause. Developers across the entire industry have bloated their development timelines. That means fewer games and less reacting to consumer tends. When do you think Concord started development, for instance? And do you think it still would have been made if it started after Overwatch 2 came out?

Plus, consumers seem to be gravitating toward the less restrictive open standard. If you’re in Sony land, you need to replace your old controllers, even though they still work; you have to pay for online play; backwards compatibility is a bit of a dice roll, and if you want features as similar as higher resolution textures and better frame rates, they’re going to sell you a remaster rather than just letting you turn up the settings. In ruling over their walled garden ecosystem and trying to extract more money from it, they’ve given players more and more reason to play on PC.

Sam_Bass, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

Can count on one hand the number of times the xbox was even powered on. The ps4 gets more time but my pc is my main platform.

PanArab, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Some of us are not PC gamers and have no desire to be. I prefer consoles and will always do, though I miss the simple -no-install required- consoles of yesteryear.

orbitz,

Going back awhile now too for that no install right? Like didn’t PS3 have some installs? My memory is fuzzy on when it exactly started, but yeah it was nice to just pop in the media (cart, disc) and play. That was a great perk of console games, especially rentals,though there was a small time I could rent PC games when I moved to a city in the late 90s. These days I mostly play on PC anyways so always install but it was nice for the first few decades of my gaming to not require it.

Katana314, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?

Some things to say back to this:

Most people now have the console they prefer, and it’s lasting them. They don’t necessarily need new consoles. This is true EVEN if that console is a PS4, Xbox One, or Switch. They don’t get everything, but a surprising number of major releases still come to all those destinations.

It’s still nicely convenient to have consoles for less setup and configuration. Some people manage really complex problems for their work and home projects already - a desktop computer may be beyond their tolerance.

yokonzo, do gaming w Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'

Dude just destroyed his indie rep in one fell move. Regardless of what you feel of the situation, noone wants to “talk shop” with the guy known for stealing ideas

kogasa, do gaming w Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'
@kogasa@programming.dev avatar

Reminds me of 2048 making a slightly worse clone of Threes and then releasing it for free.

doggle,

And enormously outperforming the original, too. A shame, I like threes.

lath, do gaming w Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'

If it doesn’t have Blackjack and Hookers, then it’s a shitty clone.

thingsiplay, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
grrgyle,

Thank you for putting this in a way I can understand

Dariusmiles2123, do games w God of War Ragnarök will require a PSN account to play on PC

I’m honestly asking why people are so furious about the psn account. Is it because you don’t want to give your data to Sony?

I’d clearly understand with something like facebook or google, but I don’t think giving my data to Sony is the end of the world.

I’m not a pc gamer and I wouldn’t want to have every company pushing for their own account, but I don’t see why Sony is getting so criticized when (I think) Ubisoft or Electronic Arts have been doing this for years on PC.

hal_5700X,

Sony has a long history of data breaches and hacks. firewalltimes.com/sony-data-breach-timeline

paultimate14,

Lol a good chunk of those “breaches and hacks” are either unrelated to PlayStation (Sony Pictures being the most notable) or had no impact to users.

I don’t care if they leak their source code for games or if their social media account gets socially-engineered. Even an outage from a DDOS isjust a minor inconvenience. According to the source you posted, they haven’t had any issues leaking PlayStation user data since 2011, over a decade ago.

Security concerns are valid for everything you do on the Internet of course, but are you bringing that same energy to Valve for the security issues Steam has had over the years too? The 2023 issue with dev accounts getting hacked to inject malware. The 2020 issue with the “Steam Sockets” library. They had their own data breach similar to Sony’s in 2011.

GalacticHero,

And that’s just what they’ve done by accident. There was also that time they installed rootkits on their customers’ PCs, lied about it, belittled their customers when nobody believed them, then put out a fake uninstaller that actually installed additional software and didn’t uninstall the rootkit.

Srootus,

Maybe with helldivers you can argue the cross play angle, but why require a PSN account for a single player game? Sony’s also doing this with the new Until Dawn version which also is coming to steam.

LordOfLocksley,

This is what baffles me as well. Online game I can understand… but offline single player…???

Also, why in the 21st century does Sony not expand PSN world wide, and why is it only available in a handful of countries

Dariusmiles2123,

Yeah PSN not being available everywhere is weird and not good for their sales then.

Dariusmiles2123,

I guess every PlayStation game on pc is kind of belonging to the PlayStation universe and that’s why it’s an excuse to demand a psn account.

I’m addicted to trophies so I don’t mind the psn account.

I guess people who don’t want to get a psn account should just not play these games and not pirate them as some people are suggesting.

Mini_Moonpie,

I can’t speak for others, but for me it’s just a nuisance. I’m not furious about it. I avoid buying EA and Ubisoft games too. It’s a small thing for one game on one account, but when you acquire a lot of games across a bunch of different accounts, all those different logins and launchers just become a bother.

Dariusmiles2123,

I can only agree with this 👍

On PlayStation it ain’t a nuisance because the psn account is valid for every game, but on pc I agree with you.

paultimate14,

It’s funny to me because tons of PC-exclusive games also require accounts on Steam and no one cares.

The requirement is dumb, but the attention is also disproportionate because of console war fandom.

Don_alForno,

With how frequently they get hacked, Sony is the last company you want to trust with any of your data. Might as well post all of it on a public facebook page.

Aceticon, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead

The fishy part is the “taking in account the EULA” since EULAs are not legally valid documents in most of the World.

Licenses explicitly accepted by the buyer before the purchase, sure, EULAs, no, since they’re treated as an attempt to, after the implied contract which is the sale, unilaterally change the contract.

The court order makes some sense because that’s basically to do with inheritance and who gets to inherit what, but the EULA “consideration” is complete total bollocks.

butsbutts, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead

yay great

Aria, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead

Alright hold on setting up my GOG dead man trigger. I wonder what info I need to include. So far I have an email going to support with the text “I AM DEAD”. I hope they don’t change address between now and when I die.

shasta,

My guess is death certificate

AdrianTheFrog, do gaming w Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

Both games are completely free and without any sort of monetization, I do think he definitely should have linked to the original game and taken it down when the original creator asked, but a fan remaking a game doesn’t sound that unusual

No-one is profiting, no one is losing anything, why does it matter?

snek_boi,

Humans care about belonging and fairness. Profit is one type of political good that can be distributed based on different criteria, for example by selling a good or a service or by stealing or copying someone’s code. But profit is not the only political good that exists. There’s also relevance. There is credit. There is legitimacy.

TL;DR: Money is not the only thing that humans care about. Humans also care about fairness.

billgamesh,

It says in the article that he explicitly stated it was a clone, so yeah. only bad thing was being kinda a jerk when asked to take it down

Fizz, do gaming w Hello, PC gaming here: Are the consoles OK?
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The money is in the users not selling the hardware. As long as Playstation has hundreds of million daily users they will continue to make insane profit. The people will move up a generation eventually.

thingsiplay,

Apparently not enough, because Sony focuses on PC more than ever.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Focusing on PC more than ever isn’t exactly a high bar. Consoles (maybe not xbox) are still doing extremely well and consoles are more popular than PC by quite a big margin. I expect Sony and Nintendo to continue to grow their userbase even if the sales on the latest platform drop a bit.

thingsiplay,

consoles are more popular than PC by quite a big margin.

How do you measure this? Steam alone has 130 to 150 million active users, more than Switch customers at a whole. And that does not even include some of the most popular PC games at all. I also expect PC user base to grow, it has more potential than consoles.

So yes, its a big deal for companies like Sony to open up this big to PC and to be that successful. They don’t even need to sell a console to sell games. Off course consoles will remain popular and for good reason. But most popular games are mulitsystem games and not specific to consoles anyway. In my opinion it is remarkable how much Sony focuses on PC now. I hope they keep doing it; its only beneficial for the players, the publishers and for Sony.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The stats I could find compared pc and current and last gen consoles so ps4 and ps5 era and the split was basically 50/50. But if you think about it that’s not a fair comparison because pc has people who running on hardware worse than a ps3.

I mostly take issue with the smug tone of the article acting like it’s over for consoles just because they didn’t meet expectations and decided to bring some games to pc. Consoles are still extremely popular and far more powerful than the average pc according to steam hardware survey. They will still be around and successful no doubt about it.

AmbiguousProps, (edited )
@AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today avatar

that’s not a fair comparison because pc has people who running on hardware worse than a ps3.

This is a benefit of using PC, not a downside. Unlike consoles, you aren’t forced to upgrade every few years and you actually have the ability to change graphics settings. Even if you want to upgrade your PC, you don’t need to get an entirely new build.

That’s also missing the fact that plenty of people don’t need or want to play the latest AAA title.

thingsiplay,

I mostly take issue with the smug tone of the article acting like it’s over for consoles just because they didn’t meet expectations and decided to bring some games to pc. Consoles are still extremely popular and far more powerful than the average pc according to steam hardware survey. They will still be around and successful no doubt about it.

I agree with you here. These articles are stupid telling people it would be over for consoles. It’s just clickbait or they are uninformed. Maybe besides your point that the “average pc” is that weak as you say. Most are at a level of PS4 or stronger. But that is not all you need to compare if you want to an analysis. This topic is extremely complicated. You can’t just take the average. There are far more PC users than console players. Its like taking the Game Boy into account and saying that the average game consoles is weak. That’s not the full story.

In example most monthly active users on consoles play games that could be played on a potato PC or last gen consoles too and these people probably do not buy newest games. Similar to the situation on PC.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I think what we’re seeing is that people aren’t choosing to move up a generation.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Yea because ps4 is still getting all the releases and ps5 is really expensive. I have friends who still play on ps4 and I went to their house and they’re playing games on like 20fps having a blast. It was kinda wholesome I just wish they weren’t getting scammed by Sony and chose pc so they could play games that actually run on their hardware.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Given how much PC has grown in the same time, statistically, they are moving to PC.

nothx, do gaming w GOG will let you bequeath your game library to someone else as long as you can prove you're actually dead
@nothx@hexbear.net avatar

Updating my Will so that my wife inherits all the games that I don’t actually own.

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