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HubertManne, do gaming w Bards are Baldur's Gate 3's best class and I can't imagine playing it as anything else
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Thing with bard is you do not get a bard companion at least in the beginning (I have only played so far into it). You get a cleric, thief, fighter, and wizard pretty early. Granted you can respec anyone to whatever you want but bardic inspiration combined with guidance from the cleric is pretty nice for the various non combat rolls and then it gives you two sources of healing word and bardic inspiration is pretty nice in combat as well. The biggest annoyance factor is the bard can't inspire themselves.

ConstableJelly,

Two roll buffs and healing word is tempting. Good to know you get a thief early, although there’s also the question of whether to do one of the origin characters or not…

Poggervania, do gaming w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
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Honestly, better to pirate the game because ZA/UM fucked over the original devs and now they don’t get any money from the game’s sales - and it ruined any potential for a sequel.

Here’s a Youtube vid on that drama.

ripcord,
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I don't normally do this, and I'll go do some searching of my own, but any chance for a tldw on the video? What's the background? 2.5 hours is a bit much and the intro was sort of wandering and more or less.just repeated that yes, the game was stolen from them.

frog, do gaming w Videogame fantasy settings are staler than mouldy bread right now

I can understand why fantasy settings are pretty stale, not just in games but in a variety of other media as well. Fantasy can be complex, and using old, familiar tropes (elves are haughty and love nature, dwarves are stubborn and love gold, humans are the world’s jack-of-all-trades) lowers the barrier to entry, which is really important when you want something to be easily marketable to as large an audience as possible. People know what to expect from familiar fantasy tropes, which means they can focus on plot and gameplay rather than going “so what’s that character supposed to be?”

But it’s boring. I love it when a fantasy setting isn’t afraid to trust the intelligence and curiosity of its audience and do something weird.

TwilightVulpine,

Anime if anything seems to be doing worse at this. Nearly every fantasy or fantasy adjacent anime goes for a knock-off D&D MMO style and it feels so tired. They don't want their audience to need to make the smallest effort to understand the world and the role of the characters in it.

frog,

That’s so disappointing. I haven’t really kept up with anime in recent years, but what I loved about the anime I watched when I was much, much younger was how different it was compared to the western media I was familiar with.

echo,

I think the difference is that a lot more English speakers watch anime as it’s airing in Japan now. Anime used to have to be at least somewhat interesting for someone in the west to even be aware of it, but now we get to see all the shit they’re putting out that never would have made it over here before.

loops,

At least some of take a super unique approach… like being reincarnated as a vending machine.

aebrer,
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You got a title for that one? Sounds like something I'd enjoy

loops,

Jidou Hanbaiki ni Umarekawatta Ore wa Meikyuu wo Samayou

It’s actually alright. Not something I’d rewatch though.

TwilightVulpine,

I count that as more gimmicky than creative. Like they are taking the same structure and just doing a bit of madlibs.

loops,

Yeah, that was kind of my point lol.

“That one time I was reborn as ____ and now I ____!”

*cue big ol’ anime titties

fuzzywolf23,

Dr. Stone, Attack on Titan, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen – you don’t have to look very hard to find anime that doesn’t look anything like western fantasy

liminis,

The person you were replying to was explicitly talking about current (‘new’) anime, not industry darlings like AoT.

fuzzywolf23,

Dude, the last episodes of AoT haven’t even aired yet, how current do you want?

liminis,

I was explaining what they meant, I don’t personally care. Their complaint, as I understood it, was an absence of new and original work.

EvaUnit02, do gaming w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
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I couldn't get in to this game, myself. Granted, due to that, I've only played about an hour of it but this game felt much more like a Visual Novel than an RPG, to me. Stats seemed to have no bearing on anything other than what the narrative decided they have a bearing on. It was therefore, very difficult to figure out who my character was. Otherwise, you're just clicking on things and reading reams of text.

I get that they were trying to go for a more tabletop version of an RPG but without a DM, I find that near impossible to translate 1:1. I would have preferred a more Baldur's Gate approach to the game.

Steampunk,
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Stats are very important and can cause a playthrough to be very different. I can say more about it if you're interested.

Poggervania,
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It’s more akin to Planescape: Torment than something like Baldur’s Gate. The game is dense with writing and dialogue, and the majority of it is derived from your stats. Granted, there are a couple of skill checks that you can’t fail due to being story important, but it’s only those two specific instances - everything else is heavily stat-based. There’s also ideologies that the game tracks, so you can be an egotistic superstar cop, a doomsaying apocalypse cop, a normal cop, or even a super-political cop that becomes more drilled down if you want to engage in the fascist, communist, moderate, and/or liberal aspects of the game - and the game does respond to that, including noting how you can be both a communist and a fascist, or some other combination of ideologies.

To help put it in perspective, your stats are, quite literally, your character’s brain. Having low stats doesn’t really impact the game, but you also can become sort of neurotic with high stats - which does have its upsides and downsides (except Encyclopedia, it will drown you in world-building exposition that doesn’t really help and drags out conversations at the higher levels). It’s much more “role-playing” and less “game”.

HidingCat,

Really sounds like it's not the game for you. You want combat and big numbers, which isn't what Disco Elysium is about.

I'm still halfway through a playthrough, but it really is a great RPG, with an interesting narrative.

Rodsterlings_cig, do gaming w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life

A friendly reminder that the creators in the past have asked those interested in the game to pirate it instead, though of course I do not endorse such activities.

Onii-Chan,
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Gotcha. I'm definitely not about to fire up qBittorrent right now and use it, because that would be illegal.

Rodsterlings_cig, (edited )

I would also definitely not seed anything as well, especially when utilizing a VPN.

Edit: word

NotTheOnlyGamer, do gaming w Street Fighter 6 tournament accidentally broadcasts Chun Li nude mod to the world
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Well, that's an interesting development. I hope Capcom takes notice of this.

Caligvla, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
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What in the fuck. Can devs please start compressing this shit better? I know this is more of a me problem, but this is like half my SSD just for this game alone. Ridiculous.

GeekFTW,
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I know this is more of a me problem

Naw naw fuck that fam, this is very much a them problem. 122gb is fucking ridiculous.

iNeedScissors67,
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I was going to install CoD: Cold War from PS+ on my PS5 since I wanted to check out the campaign but I'd never buy it. Fuckin 230 GB for that shit. I lol'd a bit and moved on to something else. So ridiculous.

GeekFTW,
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Lmao 230gigs fuck that. Sitting here cursing my own life because I have 10 gigs of Sims 4 mods. For 230GB the game better come with a hologram that pops out of a USB port to suck my fucking cock.

iNeedScissors67,
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The only games I'll bother keeping installed that are over 100gb are my ESO with all the addons on PC, and Star Wars Battlefront II on PS5, and only because my friends and I play co-op every Friday night. But it's still ludicrous. My most played game recently, Battlebit Remastered, is a whopping 3 GB lol.

Zahille7,

Is it sad that I’m surprised when a game is under 20gb nowadays?

Zahille7,

I think the largest game I’ve ever installed on any of my devices was like 120gb, and that was The Master Chief Collection so that makes bit of sense.

Raji_Lev,
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Just one more reason why the obsession with the latest greatest OMGWTF HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS is the worst thing to happen to gaming since the Atari Jaguar.

LoafyLemon,

We can compress textures into ridiculously small sizes, I doubt it's a problem. Audio on the other hand...

In a dialogue heavy game such as this one, each voice line for each language must be shipped with the game on steam. There's no way to split the downloads between regions and languages from within developer console on steam.

I think it's one of the most popular requests devs posted in the dev forums.

ZickZack,

Standard lossless compression (without further assumptions) is already very close to being as optimal as it can get: At some point the pure entropy of these huge datasets just is not containable anymore.

The most likely savior in this case would be procedural rendering (i.e. instead of storing textures and meshes, you store a function that deterministically generates the meshes and textures). These already are starting to become popular due to better engine support, but pose a huge challenge from a design POV (the nice e.g. blender-esque interfaces don't really translate well to this kind of process).

EvaUnit02,
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Not everything can be easily compressed to significantly smaller sizes. In fact, for any random arrangement of bytes, finding one that is compressable by any significant amount is rare.

that_one_guy,

I’m sure that what can be compressed is compressed in these game files. What we really need is more intelligent assets. When downloading, the platform should take your localization settings and only download the assets required for that locale. I bet this would heavily reduce the size of many of these games.

QHC,
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I don't think that localization would help much. Most, probably all, assets that are taking up so much storage space are not going to include language directly.

crystalcorvid,

I'd be willing to bet that the game will be available in a compressed format from a repack site with no content loss. At least 30% smaller. A recent example that I just checked, Forspoken, Original Size: 103.9 GB Repack Size: from 63.6 GB

Before I had an unlimited connection for monthly bandwidth usage I would frequently download an already purchased game from the repack site and then have steam "repair" it. Shadow of Mordor/Shadow of War come to mind specifically. Saved so much of my limits at the time.

conciselyverbose,

What they need to do is utilize steam's branch feature to allow smaller installs for low resolution assets and with minimal language support without an opt in to other languages needed.

The steam deck really has me wishing Steam had pushed for that as part of fully verified (or have "great on deck" be a tier above and only for games that do the extras like that). So much space is spent on things I don't need at 800p

oo1,

yeah, I don't want to fill my steamdeck with 4k res assets.

sunbeam60,

Eh… you can have high quality assets or you can have small size, but you can’t have both.

Game assets are typically some of the most heavily compressed assets there are (it’s often quicker, even from SSDs, to load a compressed asset and uncompress it than otherwise). There’s an entire middleware industry grown up around minimising asset sizes while keeping quality. 122 GB to me just screams “this game is fucking massive” rather than “this game is horribly unoptimised”.

recursive_recursion, do gaming w Street Fighter 6 tournament accidentally broadcasts Chun Li nude mod to the world
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the awkward pause to the escalation of jokes is great🤣

snownyte, do gaming w Disco Elysium for $12 may be the best $12 you ever spend on games in your life
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More like the best $10 I've spent when it once went on sale.

Mandy, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

remember when devs actually tried to FUCKING COMPRESS THEIR FILES AND NOT MAKE THE GAME NEEDLESSLY MASSIVE

Lightsong, do gaming w Street Fighter 6 tournament accidentally broadcasts Chun Li nude mod to the world

Wew, great top comment.

banana_meccanica, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Well then i hope phisical games come back to be a thing because i will never downlaod a 100gb+ game. They should make game in USB or Hardrive format that an user can buy at store like was with CD and DVD.

discodoubloon,
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I could see that happening if SSDs of that size drop below the $10 mark

QHC,
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Flash drives are already at that price point for consumers, let alone at manufacturing/bulk prices.

CIWS-30,

Honestly, things like this were why I thought that Blu-Ray drives would take off. It's why I bought a Blu-ray RW drive in 2014 for my PC build because I thought it would be the future as game and media sizes would only get bigger and more of a pain to download.

I was wrong, but I wish I hadn't been. At least I can rip my PS3 Blu-rays to play them on emulators now. It's hard to go back and play them at 720p on a big screen without all the features that emulators give me. Rendering at 1440p (minimum) just being the start.

banana_meccanica,

Soon or later the progress will gonna need to going back as new generation of physical disk-like. Also this depency on the net is simple unsafe, service can go offline anytime and hundred of dollars in game just become nothing. We should relearning the value of owning something really in our hands and not in virtual libraries.

ampersandrew,
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Never? There's that infamous quote about how people will never need more than 64KB of RAM that comes to mind. SSD prices are falling rapidly, and internet bandwidth is only increasing. I understand if you don't have the means right this moment, but 100+ GB games are here and will only happen more often.

foggenbooty,

I don’t have a problem with large games if I get the option of what I want to download. Most often these large sizes are because it forces you to get full 4K textures and multiple copies of the audio files for languages you don’t speak.

I would bet half the size of this game is unnecessary for the average player. We really need the ability to download the core game and then these add-ons separately.

LoafyLemon,

This would create excessive waste, and the EU would never approve of it.

tal, (edited ) do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it
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Why do people care?

I mean, yes, all else held equal, I'd rather have a video game two days earlier or whatever, but this is way down the list of things I'd get worked up about.

Hell, the !@PatientGamers crowd waits for at least a year after release, at which point all the patches and whatnot are normally out, often sales are on, hardware to run a game tends to be cheaper, and often people have done substantial work on game wikis and the like. I can understand someone not wanting to wait for a year, but who can't handle a day or two?

EDIT: Or let me put another perspective on it. The release date is essentially arbitrary from a player's standpoint. Suppose some serious bug had shown up late in development -- which could easily have happened -- and that release date had been pushed back by five days. I doubt that anyone would have said anything, even though they would have gotten their hands on the game several days later. But the inability to preload making that same game show up playable a couple of days later has articles being written complaining about it. Why? The delay happens either way.

Awall, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

Where is Pied Piper when you need it!

ono, do gaming w Baldur's Gate 3 is a 122GB download and you can't preload any of it

I smell poorly compressed textures/media at resolutions much higher than most people need.

Come on, Larian. Be better.

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