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vordalack, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

Any program having kernel level access is spyware. This is getting ridiculous.

Mwa,

Vanguard anticheat…

Mwa, (edited ) do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

W steam/valve

x00z, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
@x00z@lemmy.world avatar

I wish Valve would just ban them. It’s weird to have something that looks like pure malware in a Game store.

pressanykeynow,

Luckily Valve seems to believe in freedom of decision for their users so they won’t do this. There are kernel level cheats so there are kernel level anticheats. Obviously anticheats are mostly lame in what they do so it would probably be better for them to not be kernel level. Still there are “pure malware” anticheats and Valve thinks it’s up to the user to decide if they want one, their job is to inform the user. And that’s the best approach here in my opinion.

Maestro,

They will be gone with time, but not because anything that Valve does. Microsoft is locking down the kernel after the CrowdStrike debacle. In a few years it will be impossible to run any custom kernel code.

xep, (edited ) do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

I do everything important like banking etc on a separate device that isn't my gaming PC. This has been quite liberating since I worry less about invasive anti-cheat, drm etc. I realize not everyone wants to do this but it's been a nice compromise.

ampersandrew,
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That’s one way to do it, but I worry less about those things by not supporting them with my time and money.

Appoxo,
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For me anything important is done in the browser (very rarely) and mostly on the phone.

Nytixus, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

Meanwhile at Epic...

"Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

pivot_root,

That’s quite a generous interpretation. If we’re being real about it, it’s going to be another “you assholes” email from Timmy.

AdamBomb, do gaming w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

Excellent

Quail4789, do gaming w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

The best thing that’ll come out of this is people will realize Easy and BattleEye are kernel-level on Windows. I know so many people who calls Vanguard a rootkit then go play all the other games.

EmperorHenry, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
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god damn right!

thejevans, do gaming w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
@thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve been able to return some games based on news that they will be adding kernel-level anti-cheat. I’m glad Valve is doing this right.

Chozo, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
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Probably a pessimistic take, but I don't expect this to have any discernable impact on sales, or any other effects that would discourage publishers from these practices. The average user doesn't care about or understand how these things work; they'll see an anti-cheat warning on the store page and think "Okay, tell the colonel I'll be on my best behavior then" and continue to buy the game.

spankmonkey,
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It will benefit those that care and won’t negatively impact the experience for those that don’t.

Win, win.

Riccosuave, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

Not to be annoying, but can someone please ELI5 how kernel level anti-cheat software actually works, or link good resources where I can read about it.

scoobford,

Eli5: your PC has different access levels a program can run at. This prevents a malicious or badly coded program from completely fucking your computer. Kernel level anti cheat runs at the lowest level access that exists under windows. It can do basically whatever it wants to your PC, and if a backdoor is coded in (happens way more than you’d think), it gives malware basically total access to your PC.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar
conciselyverbose,

It runs with higher priveleges than you have and can see anything that happens on your computer.

It also creates a giant additional attack vector.

hal_5700X, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages

Nice.

django, do gaming w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
@django@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This will make filtering for games, which might run on linux much easier.

JusticeForPorygon, do games w Steam games will now need to fully disclose kernel-level anti-cheat on store pages
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

Common valve W

MarcomachtKuchen, do games w Save & Sound is a big live show celebrating music in gaming coming in November

Seems like a smaller event but I’m looking forward to hear more indies.

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