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Toneswirly, do games w EA flop Immortals of Aveum reportedly cost around $125 million, former dev says "a AAA single-player shooter in today's market was a truly awful idea"

Peak player count was less than 800 players on steam… Flop is an understatement.

Those 100 workers EA laid off dont deserve to be thrown in the trash; why dont the execs take a nice paycut instead?

haui_lemmy,

I think companies that make profits should not be allowed to lay off people. You‘re welcome.

Edit: without cause

Phegan, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

If buying isn’t owning, piracy isn’t stealing.

aeternum,

I like the cut of your jib.

Blindsite,

The problem is it’s getting harder and harder to pirate games, especially games that are entirely online.

arc,

When you “buy” software, you’re buying a license that grants you permission to use it subject to the terms & conditions. The stealing as the law would see it is from using software without purchasing a license or using it in violation of the license.

It even extends to digital content people “buy” on Steam, or Google Play, or Amazon including books, music, and videos. You didn’t buy that content, even if you think you did. You bought a license to it which is why occasionally Amazon or whoever will just scrub the content from your account without your consent. That’s also why in some countries you pay VAT on e-books even though you don’t pay VAT on real books - because you actually bought a software license which is liable to VAT.

So the best advice is don’t buy digital media from online services. For games and software it is unavoidable but recognize you don’t legally own squat although most console games on disc or cartridge can still be sold second hand. But even that is being eroded. Nintendo apparently are planning to sell “physical” games in stores but you open it up and there is a redemption code inside. Sony and Microsoft have both tried to get away from physical media too.

LovingHippieCat, do games w Obsidian's new first-person RPG Avowed channels Baldur's Gate 3 in one key way: "The core of RPGs that makes them special is missable content"

Breaking News: RPG does what all RPGs do but we will compare it to only what one well know RPG does instead of simply saying it’s an RPG that does RPG things.

They could have said any other recent RPG game and it would have applied. Using Baldurs Gate 3 is probably just because Avowed is in the Pillars of Eternity world which was another isometric game, but still it’s just an RPG. It could just be channeling Pillars of Eternity instead of Baldurs Gate 3. Why do we have to use Baldurs Gate 3 for every comparison out there?

MarcomachtKuchen,

Because people like the game and like reading about it.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

BG3 is a great example simply because there is so much content you can miss. I’ve put 1300+ hours into it and I still see things I haven’t seen in any prior playthrough. Granted they aren’t large story things or quests anymore but still, even the little stuff adds up.

fushuan,

So, like skyrim, or oblivion, or pillars of eternity 1 and 2… BG3 is used because it’s famous.

teft,
@teft@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve played those and BG3 has much more content. Especially missable content that depends on the choices you make.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There’s at least an order of magnitude difference between how many people have played one versus the other.

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Personally, I find it frustrating to see the buzz Baldur’s Gate 3 gets because I remember a time when games like BG3 weren’t a rare sight. I mean, shit, BG3 is just a logical evolution from BG1 and 2. It’s got modern graphics, modern UI, modern controls… Same basic gameplay, same kind of choice that can lead to many replays because there are so many ways to do any given quest, etc.

It isn’t that BG3 isn’t deserving of praise; it definitely is. But the fact it is like a breath of fresh air shows just how awful the industry itself is. They didn’t do anything that hadn’t been done before, and instead went back to old-school roots and fucking dominated the scene by simply not making their game watered down garbage with a lack of agency.

theneverfox,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

That’s the thing though - bg3 isn’t praised because it’s good relative to the state of the industry. It’s a game that did everything right, not just comparatively but in general

grrgyle,

I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but you’re right. I think it happened around the time every action genre starting introducing “RPG éléments” to the point that they became de rigueur.

It was only natural that RPGs themselves would borrow back from the action genres that were borrowing from them.

Anyway yeah, it’s nice to see a big RPG bring just an RPG.

theunknownmuncher,

So what you’re saying is that it’s a valid comparison?

icecreamtaco,
@icecreamtaco@lemmy.world avatar

Man you sound really bitter over nothing

Gradually_Adjusting,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Of all the callow villainry, I wish a comparison to Baldur’s Gate 3 was the worst I’ve heard. I have seen such articles talk about Avowed in terms of Skyrim, which was released closer to Banjo Kazooie than Avowed. No irrelevant remark is beyond them, no matter how patently inane.

simple, do games w Steam players hate NBA 2K24 almost as much as they hate Overwatch 2

Yeah but every NBA game gets flooded with negative reviews and these people will buy it again next year. It doesn’t matter how many negative reviews it has if it sells well.

I always have a laugh when half of these reviews are “wow guys this poorly rated game that everyone told me is garbage turned out to be garbage. They’re making the same game every year!”, fast forward to them posting the same review next year.

WarmSoda,

I got Madden 22 for free and for awhile I was enjoying it. It was my first Madden game since the 360. So I start going to forums for the game, and every single post was about how bad the game is, highlighting ridiculous bugs, shitty AI, missing features.

Then details about Madden 23 started to come out and everyone that was tearing 22 apart was absolutely in love with every little thing that was shown.

I stopped reading those forums. It was surreal.

GreenMario,

Civilization series is notorious for that too. Civ -1 is always the best of the series and current Civ is the worst.

WarmSoda,

At least civ tries new things. But yeah the constant release of a new game with less features is pretty common.

Slwh47696,

Man I remember being on the Gamefaqs forums back in like 2005 or so, and people were complaining about this exact scenario back then. Some things never change

______,

I know someone who routinely preorders games and constantly gets disappointed and never fails to preorder again.

Triple A games most of the time. You can probably guess which franchises.

Chainweasel, do games w EA flop Immortals of Aveum reportedly cost around $125 million, former dev says "a AAA single-player shooter in today's market was a truly awful idea"

Single player shooter’s aren’t bad or even unpopular right now. But I think people are beginning to realize that anything that has EA’s name attached to it is trash and just avoid it on principal.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Jup, even new iterations of their older IP seem to be devolving instead of taking that which was fun and expanding on it.

Maybe they should use all these behaviour experts to investigate why people keep playing games instead of figuring out how to maximally predate on your customer base.

Ubi does the same. I found the last farcy so Uninteresting that I stopped playing somewhere mid game. And the first signals from their pirate game are also not encouraging, while I know many people that looked forward to it.

vexikron,

Everyone in the single player fps demo is replaying the old good games, or seeking out like custom doom wads or the occasional actually good indie fps single player game, having at this point long given up on large studios being able to make a compelling single player fps.

Sure, a lot of us enjoy lots of other kinds of games too, but good lord is there an unscratchable itch for a new, compelling FPS campaign thats actually interesting and challenging.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

It's boomer shooters or nothing in that space right now. We're starving out here. On my radar in the coming year or two are Mouse, Core Decay, and Agent 64, but no one knows what kind of quality we'll get out of those. Also, is it a crime to just throw in some competitive multiplayer that's meant to be played a handful of times with friends instead of being the next e-sport?

nuko147, do games w Well played, Todd: You can see Skyrim, or at least its tallest mountain, from the edge of Oblivion Remastered
@nuko147@lemm.ee avatar

This photo is the BG3 home screen lmao

HiddenLychee,

Yeah I mean they straight ripped it off lol

CosmoNova,

It’s also inspired by „the wanderer“ painting that has been referenced a million times without most people even realizing that yes, someone did that first.

FooBarrington,

Do you mean “Wanderer above the sea of fog”?

The greenery makes it hard for me to see that. I really love Elden Rings take on that painting:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a0e68b24-9de3-4a00-9b0f-815e92bf6a85.jpeg

SendMePhotos, (edited ) do gaming w Popular Female Skyrim Modder Has Abandoned Her Work Due to Daily Harrassment

“I poured many years of my life into this, just to feel empty. In quitting, I have found my real passion, and have been obsessively working on music. I’ve even released my first ever album, SPIDERWEB PRINCESS, which is filled with my darkest, most genuine feelings from all of my experiences. Nothing I’ve ever done has ever been so meaningful to me. I have so much of myself to share with the world, and I’d much rather be remembered for something I actually enjoy.”

Apparently her new passion is music. SPIDERWEB PRINCESS

pech,

Thank you for showing me this, she rocks.

SendMePhotos,

Yeah it’s pretty neat.

Thcdenton, do games w Vampire Survivors devs launch official wiki "free of ads, banners, and all of the junk that gets in your way"
@Thcdenton@lemmy.world avatar

Based dev. Fuck fextralife and fandom

Bloodyhog,

Wat?! Fandom has ads?! Never saw these. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Malix,
@Malix@sopuli.xyz avatar

fextralife

Sometimes it feels like fextralife is filled only with stub articles.

me: “Hmm, I wonder about [a thing] in [a game]”

fextralife’s entire article: “[A thing] is a thing in [a game]”

brilliant, thank you.

Red_October, do games w Borderlands 4 boss tells players "please get a refund from Steam if you aren't happy" as Randy Pitchford continues his very public crashout over the FPS's performance woes

This guy is why PR consultants and Social Media teams exist. Some people just should not have contact with the public. However good he might or might not be in his work on the project itself, someone should have told him to sit down and shut up and let someone who knows how not to damage the entire game with a single statement handle the communication.

banazir,
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

I generally have nothing but a deep sense of loathing for marketing, but I genuinely feel bad for the people who have to try smearing lipstick on this pig.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Is it really that bad?

I’m not much of a fan of the series, but the complaints I’m seeing are in the “I only get 30fps instead of 60fps on ultra!” kinds of things that make me roll my eyes super hard

Anarch157a,

The eye rolling would be justified if the 30FPS was on something like a 3070 or something like that, but when the complaint comes from someone sporting a 5090, well…

If the game runs at 30FPS on the latest, greatest top-of-the-line card from Nvidia, imagine what kind of performance people are getting from 4060s or RX6600s…

A game that’s this badly optimised is a disrespect to all gamers.

ripcord,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Is that what the situation is? I think that’s also only the case on 4k with brutal mode enabled or whatever.

Obviously that’s still not great if so, but I’d still put it in the eyeroll category personally. I don’t really feel butthurt if I have to run at 1080p or enable vlss or not get 120fps or whatever, especially on day 1 for a game.

But I come from an era where there were games you had to shrink some 3d games lower than 320x200 to get a playable 10fps, so I’m also probably feeling some “back in my day we walked uphill both ways - kids today” energy here. What do I know.

frongt,

Problem is, there’s no such thing as bad press. Here we are talking about it.

Killer57,
@Killer57@lemmy.ca avatar

Yep, talking about how I will never buy a gearbox game.

Red_October,

"There's no such thing as bad press" is such a dogshit saying that is demonstrably untrue. There is absolutely bad press, just because we're talking about it doesn't mean it's good for the product. For every one schmuck who thinks they'll buy Borderlands 4 just to prove how good their computer is, there's a hundred people who have decided never to buy it at all and half if them have written off gearbox entirely.

courval, do games w "You can't just have Geralt for every single game" says his voice actor, and if you think The Witcher 4 making Ciri the protagonist is "woke," then "read the damn books"

People are complaining of having to stare at a female’s body while playing? They prefer looking at at male’s butt? That’s soooo gay!

Gladaed,

Can we stop with this stupid and homophobic argument?

kassiopaea,

Have you considered that the comment could, in fact, be a joke?

Gladaed,

Yes

untorquer,

Why the downvotes though!? This is GOLD!

Ecojohn,

His point is that making it a joke is kinda homophobic. Like being gay is a joke.

lud,

It’s making fun of idiots that think like that, not gay people.

pyre,

the joke isn’t about being gay at all. it’s about reactionary people complaining about things being woke and gay but refusing to play with a woman on camera at all times. it’s using their inconsistency against them; not advocating for it.

untorquer,
  1. This seems sarcastic. I can tell by the punctuations i am seeing.
  2. It’s abit gay tho
courval,

Lol yes, thank you. I’m of the opinion that using /s defeats the whole point of sarcasm… But at the same time I suspect the world is going crazy via misinterpreted sarcasm on the Internet… It’s a tough decision, maybe I should be using /s but then it’s not sarcasm anymore…

untorquer,

🤣

I don’t think sarcasm is the problem. The bad actors are. In fact i think sarcasm is more necessary than ever:

  1. If we don’t understand what is and IS NOT sarcasm, the opinions of bad actors won’t be laughed at. If they aren’t actively laughed at they’ll be encouraged by the idea that they’re being taken seriously.
  2. If people don’t learn to recognize bullshit with friends(in a safe environment) then they’re going to fail to differentiate the truth elsewhere where it can truly hurt them and those around them.
Bravo,

Poe’s law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Poe’s law is based on a comment written by Nathan Poe in 2005 on christianforums.com, an Internet forum on Christianity. The message was posted during a debate on creationism, where a previous poster had remarked to another user: “Good thing you included the winky. Otherwise people might think you are serious”.[4]

The reply by Nathan Poe read:[1]

Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won’t mistake for the genuine article.

The original statement of Poe’s law referred specifically to creationism, but it has since been generalized to apply to any kind of fundamentalism or extremism.[3]

Hyphlosion,

Since when is Poe making laws? I thought he’s an X-Wing pilot.

Hyphlosion,

I’m a straight male who is very secure in my masculinity. But I’ve gotten shit from people when I use female characters in games. Never understood why that’s a problem.

madjo,

I usually play as a female character in games too. I prefer to look at pretty things.

REDACTED,
SilentObserver, do games w Ubisoft says you "cannot complain" it shut down The Crew because you never actually owned it, and you weren't "deceived" by the lack of an offline version

Sweet. Just giving me more reasons to not buy Ubisoft’s garbage.

neon_nova, do games w MMO scholar puts a $500 bounty on old versions of RuneScape as part of a community archive project: "You might have ALL of the game's lost versions!"

It’s kind of crazy how they have been looking for this for so long and nothing has turned up despite the games popularity.

Sadly, my old computer that possibly could have had this ended up in the garbage years and years ago.

tonytins,
@tonytins@pawb.social avatar

Yikes. That is a shame.

amino,

time for all of us to volunteer at your garbage dump like that dude who offered to buy his local garbage dump because his Bitcoin hard drive might be there

greenskye,

This is why I think it’s funny people still believe ‘the Internet is forever’. Data disappears all the time. If you really start paying attention it’s scary how ephemeral the Internet truly is and how much is lost all the time.

Grunt4019,

I think it’s a good way for most people to think of things when posting to social media, etc. as you might not know how long what you put out there might be out there, and you might not be able to take down or modify it without someone capturing it before you have done so.

Tb0n3, do games w Cities: Skylines 2 "absolutely cannot" have the decade of DLC features that the original game added | GamesRadar+

And then you’ve got absolute mad men like Concerned Ape making stardew valley 10 times better with free updates for years and years. Showing these money hungry companies how it’s done.

GreenMario,

At the expense of: No Stardew Valley 2.

Tb0n3,

Honestly, why would we need a Stardew Valley 2? There’s so many harvest moon games but are they really anything more than small iterations? Not to mention those have been garbage since the IP was basically stolen from the original developers.

Noodle07,

Fun fact, we basically had stellaris 2 for free

Car,

I feel like Stellaris is a measurably different game than release. I bought the game on steam like 10 years ago and while it looks largely the same, the mechanics have seemingly had complete makeovers or renovations every few years. As far as I can tell most of the modified mechanics have been introduced to the base game as well, so those without DLC aren’t completely left out.

The game used to be some weird rock-paper-scissors game of either wormholes, gateways, and jump drives with corvette death columns. There was an optimal way to play and everything else was a handicap

Goodtoknow,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

He’s working on the haunted chocolatier while isn’t a sequel looks like a great spiritual successor

GreenMario,

Oh nice

PhlubbaDubba,

Not Stardew Valley 2 but CA is making a new game about a chocolateer who has ghost friends

echo64,

The scale is just a little bit different here, isn’t it. One guy (maybe a few more) and an indie sensation that makes a ridiculous amount of sales vs. a company that needs to pay wages for 30 people.

We can have a discussion here, but comparing standard run rates vs. a massive exception isn’t a great starting point.

captainlezbian,

Yeah it’s also one guy who got so rich off it he never has to work again if he doesn’t want to. Haunted Chocolatier isn’t because concerned ape is a game dev now and needs money, it’s concerned ape wants to make a new game. He clearly loves stardew valley and that’s part of why he keeps updating it.

Terraria is a better exception to use but still an exception. I’m not asking for every game to give free unplanned massive expansions, though I will continue praising those who do such things and absolutely add them to my list of “buy their next game if I’m remotely interested”.

What I want is games that feel like they’re trying to give everyone a fair deal. A base game that’s good on its own and doesn’t feel like a downgrade from the previous game. A few expansions that are good, reasonably priced, and make the game further into its best version of that iteration of the series. And a reasonable number of non expansion dlc that add something and ideally don’t leave me trying to decide what ones I want to get. And by the end of life the game can be not quite the cheapest but full, good, and complete. That way when the next iteration of the series is dropped I’m not left thinking it was because they just wanted to sell me the same things over again. Civilization does this excellently.

hiddengoat,

Yes, companies with 30 employees are, in fact, money hungry because that's how the employees fucking eat. One person's recurring costs are nowhere near the recurring costs of dozens of people. WEIRD HOW MATH.

Stardew Valley, Undertale, Braid, all of these one-man (mostly) shows generated enough revenue to effectively retire their creators overnight but if they had to pay 30 motherfuckers with the proceeds... yeah, not so much.

TSG_Asmodeus,

I’ve worked for those (sized) companies and employee pay is not as much as you’d think. Not to mention higher sales don’t equal more pay (for the actual workers.)

Source: just shy of 20 years in gaming.

hiddengoat,

None of that has anything to do with my post.

Yokozuna, do games w CD Projekt exec says "the right thing to do" is release a real Nintendo Switch 2 cartridge for Cyberpunk 2077, not a game-key card, in message to other studios: "Do not underestimate the physical edit
@Yokozuna@lemmy.world avatar

But… the physical copy of CP2077 on launch for PC was just a box with some merch telling us to go download it from GOG.

Ajzak,

to be fair you then put that installer on an usb and it’s physical. I’d rather a DRM free digital game in a box than the code with DRM

guywithoutaname, do games w Sony boss admits forcing PC gamers into PlayStation accounts can "invite pushback," but insists they have to keep games safe – which doesn't really track in single-player

Cause you kept those accounts so safe in 2011.

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