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rimjob_rainer, do games w Eurogamer readers' top 50 games of 2023

Totk is overrated as hell, I had so much more fun with any other game on the list

bl4ckblooc, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming

I love how every article mentioning a game/IP owned by Activision has to say that ‘now that Microsoft owns BAK, the game may be an Xbox exclusive. Ragebait journalism at it best.

clearedtoland, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming

There’s a comment on the article jokingly referring to a Parappa the Rapper tease. Now there’s a game I’d love.

simple,

I would love a remaster of the original game where the controls actually work and it stops failing you for no reason.

MrScottyTay,

I was going to write one here. Good to know others thought the same thing haha

EnderMB,

It’s a shame that Truggy passed away, because I can imagine De La Soul being up for reprising their role in the theme tune.

I’ve often dreamt about a reboot of Parappa, combining realistic graphics with 2Dish animation, featuring famous hip-hop artists.

Aielman15, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Please, don’t give me hope.

VerseAndVermin, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming

I wonder what they could do to breath new fire into it (har). It is a fun trilogy to play, for sure, but it also feels like playing a game of its time.

I really miss games like this though. The last time I felt the bridge between games like Spyro and “modern” times (I’m old) was Kameo. Kameo was such a gem and felt like I was playing a newer Spyro, Medievil, or Banjo game.

While we’re on the subject, where the heck is Conker?

simple,

The last time I felt the bridge between games like Spyro and “modern” times (I’m old) was Kameo.

Have you tried A Hat in Time? It really gave me the feeling of a really polished, modern PS2 game. It’s a ton of fun.

Pegasusrace,

To me, aHiT always felt like Sunshine 2: No FLUDD. Hat Kid controls just like Mario without the fancy flips

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

In fact, it’s so close to Sunshine that there’s a FLUDD mod on PC. It performs exactly as you’d expect. It’s obviously cheating and makes platforming much easier than intended, but it’s interesting just how close AHIT actually is to Sunshine in terms of how the game feels to play.

hitmyspot,

Have you tried psvr? The astrobot on the first one is amazing.

VerseAndVermin,

Sadly I haven’t! I have a Vive but it isn’t on there. You got me watching a video and it looks like a lot of fun to!

Except for the Switch, I haven’t owned a console since the 360. I kind of went hard into PC by accident.

hitmyspot,

My son is 6 and wants a switch. I know there’s a new switch coming this year or next so I’m hesitant. From a value point of view, sales on steam and the back catalogue prices will be much more enjoyable for him. However, it’s where his friends go. We’re in Australia, so no official support or sales here, so we’ll see when it’s his birthday what the lay of the land is.

VerseAndVermin,

Being 6, I would just go with the game system they like. You and I know PC/SteamDeck are killer but youngins always fixate on what they like. Besides, I have a feeling a switch would be cheaper. Not so sure about a switch 2 being cheaper though.

Your kids lucky your thinking it out. 😎👍

spudwart, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming
@spudwart@spudwart.com avatar

Not again.

Just when I was hoping to see some fan games start popping up, we’re gonna get Spyro 4: It’s about Slime or whatever. And they’ll probably lock it behind their stupid blizzard launcher and it will be console exclusive before it makes it to pc etc. etc.

I’m done. I loved Spyro, but it’s time to let a dead franchise rest in peace.

lambda,
@lambda@programming.dev avatar

It’s about slime lol

mesamunefire,

Hopefully Microsoft will give it a more open release. I doubt it, but it would be nice.

KingThrillgore, do games w Eurogamer readers' top 50 games of 2023
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

No Pizza Tower? Starfield on the list?!

Stovetop, do games w This Spyro the Dragon tweet has fans thinking a new instalment is coming

“Oh yeah, Spyro, my favorite Xbox character. Right next to Crash Bandicoot and Banjo Kazooie.”

Words that would have given me in 2001 an aneurysm.

ampersandrew, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Maybe a few more ads in the middle of the thing I'm trying to watch, with no way to pause or rewind to catch what I missed, will do the trick.

_sideffect,

When did that start? I used to be on Twitch 4-5 years ago, but never went back since then.

I don’t remember ads at all back then

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Ads used to be run at the streamers' discretion, and they were beaten by adblock. Now adblock doesn't work on Twitch, because they did the smart thing and embedded them into the stream. Also, a few years back, even though streamers have an incentive to run ads, because they benefit from it too, Twitch implemented mandatory thresholds for number of ads that need to be run or else you lose access to some tier of monetization, so most streamers leave it on auto pilot now. It means that whenever the same stream is running on YouTube, I'm watching on YouTube so I don't miss anything.

ImplyingImplications,

I mostly watch YouTube streamers. Once in a while they’ll do a Twitch stream and holy shit it’s night and day. 0 ads on YouTube and 30 second and even sometimes 1 minute unskippable ads constantly interrupting the stream on Twitch. I honestly have no idea how people put up with it. I cancelled cable because I didn’t want to watch ads, I’m not going to a site that does the same.

fsxylo,

My adblock blocks the ads, but I still get that stupid purple screen. What really annoys me is that it’s a minute and a half long. Twitch really wants me to disable ad block so I look at an ad on a Livestream for almost two fucking minutes.

I minimize and do something else until then but that’s asinine.

Marin_Rider,

hold on, you mean to tell me a platform that exists and is known purely for LIVE streaming content has put ads OVER the livestream interrupting your view? what kind of idiot would have approved such a service killing move?

derpgon,

As a mod, you can postpone an ad by 5 minutes 3 times. You can’t postpone it by 1 minute, you can’t choose to play them during downtime, you can’t do shit but pray an interesting moment doesn’t happen during the 1 minute.

wurstgulasch3000,

Adblockers still work so I’ve never seen ads on twitch

qooqie, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs

Is it the infrastructure costs? I imagine that costs quite a bit

Xin_shill,

They pay themselves for infrastructure costs effectively, so it would be the wholesale price. Would love to see their actual accounting book, public data says they made 2.8 billion, would love to see where it went.

4am,

I’ve heard (yes anecdotal) that on the books, Twitch pays AWS full retail for server time.

Makes me wonder if that’s done on purpose? Amazon just wants to kill Twitch and rent out IVS (their internal system) to other streaming platforms (like they do for Kick). THAT is outside money coming in.

HobbitFoot,

Why should AWS subsidize Twitch?

From the point of view of AWS, they make money whether they host Twitch or some other streamer. If Twitch can’t make money paying retail hosting, the decision of what to do with it has to be made by people who control Twitch.

angrymouse,

Why should AWS subsidize Twitch?

Because they kinda do it for every service of them, the point is to spread to all the markets with subsidies until kill the competition, and then keep a marginal profit to avoid competition while still makes a marginal profit (what in scale is a big profit anyway). This is usually what these megacorps do.

HobbitFoot,

Do they? I wouldn’t be surprised if AWS even charges Amazon.com full retail for hosting. The point is the company has a lot of different business units that report up to the CEO, and business units generally act like mini companies.

The accounting of charging full retail to other business units is a lot cleaner than giving preferred rates and making it harder to understand the finances of what is going on with the different business units.

A CEO may be willing to operate a business unit at a loss for strategic reasons, but they have to understand that said business unit is costing the company money.

EnderMB,

Tech companies have rate cards for valued customers or internal use. Netflix don’t pay retail price for AWS, nor do Amazon subsidiaries.

Source: Work there, and have worked at companies with yearly defined rate cards. If Twitch are paying retail price, they’re being mugged.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

They recently left South Korea too.

Endorkend,
@Endorkend@kbin.social avatar

Imho you're wrong there.

Amazon has every incentive to write down Twitches infrastructure cost as far higher than it needs to be, to make Twitch look unprofitable.

Both to audience and shareholders. It'll allow them to force more advertising and push up sub prices while making the main corporation revenue look better.

This while the long term plan looks to be more about getting an excuse to shut down the public facing side of Twitch and get rid of having to deal with the streamers and viewers as direct clients and renting out streaming infrastructure to other streaming sites instead.

They want to condense their streaming services to simply be simple products they can sell or rent out to other sites rather than having to deal with a load of consumers and legal liabilities that come with them.

arin,

Well, until they can beat YouTube live and their game streaming there they have to compete still

MysticKetchup,

Data is surprisingly cheap. It’s more than likely just reinvesting any profits into growth to boost stock price/investment. A lot of companies are hitting the point where growth is leveling off, so they’ve switched to cutting costs

ZOSTED,

They thought the party was going to last forever, so they ordered a bunch of jumbo pizzas and kegs

I mean it’s more like they paid themselves a bunch of bonuses and hired super duper growth hacking experts or whatever, and now they can’t pay for them, so god forbid they cut from the top

GreatRam,

Bandwidth, which you need for streaming is not cheap

stevedidWHAT, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs
@stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world avatar

Oh please they couldn’t fucking handle moderation I don’t trust them to handle fucking money either.

Let it rot

hansl,

What’s your alternative? YouTube?

legion02,

Kinda? Though they need a better discovery page for live streams.

funkless_eck,

Maybe we don’t actually need 10 hours of video game playing and bikini wearing at a time. Maybe that’s not a good product.

legion02,

Clearly people want it. Who are you to say what’s a good product?

funkless_eck,

The average^^@ user watches Twitch from 4pm to 5.30pm twice a week. There is absolutely a delta between what is required to be a profitable service, what is quality entertainment and what the service is and does currently.

^^@ this isn’t literal, but illustrative

legion02,

No idea how you can come to any of these conclusions given that viewer numbers are publicly visible. If this were true the streamers wouldn’t be live as much as they are outside these hours.

Dasnap,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

Justin.tv 2.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll be honest, if the solution is Twitch, then I don’t need my problem solved. That is, compared to Twitch, I don’t need an alternative. Not having Twitch is a solid improvement over having Twitch. (kidding of course, but all too often it feels like that with just how bad the technical aspects of their site are)

SomeGuy69, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs
@SomeGuy69@lemmy.world avatar

I simply don’t believe this. They probably don’t count all the gamers, who get Amazon prime for all the twitch loot. Then you also have people who throw around subs like confetti. Thot streams.

OminousOrange,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

Subs of which they can often take 50% commission on.

Aabbcc,

I simply don’t believe this.

Best financial analysis I’ve ever heard. But maybe look up video hosting and streaming costs before speculating so confidently?

PenguinTD,

very typical for people that never even run or host their own server from data center or even cloud service.

live streaming is worse in bandwidth consumption compare to youtube with same resolution input to output. Like youtube can do whatever they like to keep the outgoing low even if you encode according to spec. But streaming with the demand of like 4~6s delay their 2nd pass to try lower the output bitrate is just not gonna be as good as youtube. That’s why twitch still don’t have 4k stream, they have new beta programs thanks to newer codec on newer GPU, as otherwise their data center is gonna get crushed hard.

CleoTheWizard,
@CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world avatar

They’re also probably relying on AWS right? I’m assuming the pipeline for serving up prime video would be similar but it’s hard to tell how much that service “makes”. I feel like anything they’re using their own GPUs for is losing quite a bit of money compared to charging their cloud compute customers for it.

If twitch shuts down in a few months I won’t be surprised.

PenguinTD, (edited )

Since they are bought by Amazon I think any service they wasn’t on AWS would have been moved to AWS. Basically, on demand video streaming service (netflix, youtube, etc) does have finer control of how they want to re-encode and have like bit rate throttle on the server/client side so you don’t see too much buffering if internet connection is acting up. This means they can throttle you down to 360p like youtube auto if their data center isn’t fast enough to fetch the high bit rate yet and then feed you the higher quality one once they got it. (or down grade if your connection goes bad) But twitch stream is like I have a 10Mbits stream incoming and I have to copy, run a 2nd pass on the fly for different resolution, duplicate to outgoing servers and send to user all under 46s delay. I am not expert on the backend side and only have some experience dealing with streaming around 20162018. So to me that’s incredible feat but the short timespan means they can’t crunch the output bit rate even if it’s pretty static video. Compare to youtube, if I uploaded a 2030 minutes video in about 12GB on disk, it took them about 35 hours to re-encode, even if the source is already encoded with AV1. (I am not partner so I join the queue like any normal pleb on the internet.)

edit forgot to respond to the cloud GPU thing, I think AWS will be charging Twitch the same way as other company, so AWS aren’t really “losing” money if Twitch choose to use cloud instance with GPU(which would be kinda dumb). They need higher throughput for the data in/out so whatever the CPU ingest part I mentioned above is just to breakdown the stream and feed to user as quick as possible. They are not going to waste anytime to give you better quality stream with lower bandwidth cost. they just feed you whatever fits into their bandwidth budget basically.

turkalino,
@turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

It is believable when you remember that American companies simply don’t need to be profitable anymore

Binthinkin, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs

Get a better CEO then.

thorbot,

Idk that homeless guy looks like he’s got it figured out!

navi, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs
@navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

What a weird rollercoaster.

Three months ago at TwitchCon he was all smiles.

KrasMazov, do gaming w Twitch "isn't profitable" admits CEO, in wake of recent layoffs
@KrasMazov@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Fucking doubt it. This is just an excuse for the layoffs. All the big streamers have tons and tons of subs, a lot of users have Twitch Prime since it’s so cheap and they show multiple unskippable ads all the time. Plus, they are owned by Amazon and use their server infrastructure. This is 100% bullshit.

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Sounds like Hollywood accounting where the movies with the largest gaps between production costs and ticket sales magically lose money.

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