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danielhanrahantng, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

I don’t think it really is a success at least not a success in sony’s eyes an I hope they have a plan on what to do about the excess ps5s after it got the final nail in the coffin.

DebatableRaccoon, do gaming w "This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated

That’s not going to change the situation because it would now look like R* admitting fault if they were to re-hire the people who got fired.

Hirom,

R* should have thought of that before doing union busting. Now management is left with bad options and have to decide which option is least bad, for instance admitting they were wrong, or let the situation decay further and potentially escalate the fight against their own workforce.

DebatableRaccoon,

I’m not saying it’s the correct decision. I’m saying they’re a corp and corps always go the route of pride. They won’t admit fault, certainly not after the public reason they gave for firing the people in the first place.

Hirom,

You may be right, but I don’t see how that change the calculus. Should employees and union be complacent with corps’ bad and potentially illegal actions (firing for being in an union is not legal in some areas), refuse to defend colleagues, just to avoid hurting the corporation pride?

Anyway, we’ll probably hear more soon, and will see how this play out.

DebatableRaccoon,

Sadly breaking the law is legal when you have enough money in the bank.

Sina,

The shareholders may force them to bend tbh.

Kissaki,

It they’re not willing to admit fault then they’re inevitably announcing or implying standing opposite to and working against their workers.

Vodulas, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

The only reason I got a PS5 was because my PS4’s HDMI port got damaged somehow. The controller is a significant upgrade if games use it, but not a lot do. Looking back, I probably would have been fine without it at all since I have a Steam Link and that works great in the TV

WALLACE,

The main reason why I got one was because my PS4 was on its last legs after the hammering it got during 8 months of covid lockdown and furlough, and the whole console was cheaper than a new graphics card for my PC (+the other upgrades it needed to accommodate it).

The new controller is epic and that astrobot demo game really showcased its capabilities, but no other games have used it, even other exclusives like god of war. Wasted opportunity.

atro_city, do games w "This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated

Why don't they join the union?

big_slap,

because they’re scared

atro_city,

I mean, if you sign a letter, you're on the shitlist already. Might as well join the union if you're going to get canned anyway.

big_slap,

true

AntiBullyRanger,

of what?

I_Jedi,

When you lose your job in the US, you lose your health insurance. You’re screwed if you need an operation done when you’re unemployed. And people in a union tend to be the first to go for talking back.

AntiBullyRanger,

You Latinos need to cease with your US centricism.
The fired employees have sparringly tied healthcare not beholden to investors.

I_Jedi,

I’m a Latino? How exciting!

MrScottyTay,

I don’t think the union was official yet, i think they were discussing unionising

Cevilia, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

It… does feel like a success, though?

theangriestbird,

it feels like it’s winning, but it doesn’t feel as successful as the numbers show it is. Everyone has a PS5 but a lot of them are collecting dust already.

Cevilia,

Everyone has a PS5

Feels like a success to me?

theangriestbird,

If no one is buying new games, that is bad for Sony and bad for the industry. Part of Sony’s business model is built around the revenue from digital game sales and PS plus memberships. You ain’t makin money from those if no one is using the consoles they bought.

melsaskca, do games w "This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated

Get around this by passing fucking laws people. The law has for too long favoured the rich and powerful over the forces that create the wealth (the people). You don’t need unions if you are protected by law. Skip the middle man. No salesman will enter your home. I’m only pro-union until the laws catch up (but they never seem to, right?).

mill_city, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

Exclusives? So PS5 isn’t as good as PS4 because you can play more of its catalogue on other platforms? This feels like a bad take to me.

People here already mentioning a lot of other good points that I think are bigger contributors to the feeling of the PS5 being less successful than it is.

cdnwaffleiron, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

Yup think the PS5 is going to be my last console purchase. In future if i get the itch to play on the tv i’ll plug my laptop into the TV.

Grandwolf319, do games w "This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated

Am I the only one who is pro union but kind of surprised that people are surprised by rockstar’s actions?

It’s a big company in the fucking gaming industry, I’ve always heard it’s very anti labour. Maybe the times are changing though…

BlameTheAntifa,

I am not sure anybody is surprised, but I am happy to see so much solidarity.

geneva_convenience,
@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m surprised by the amount of worker solidarity which is very uplifting.

meisterah,

I think you should lower your standards for people going forward.

You will be surprised less often that way.

t3rmit3, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

I never got the PS5 because the PS3 -> PS4 jump was too underwhelming, when PC is pulling away so many games. And it’s not about or solvable with exclusives, because there are literally no games I can think of that would make me buy a whole console just to play. Imho PC gaming, especially in the Golden Age of Indies, is just too strong an argument unless you are a console-only gamer.

imetators, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

Nice style, fast lodaing screens, 4k and good graphics. But to me, it is just an upgraded ps4. Graphics didnt leap as far as 8bit-16bit-ps1-ps2-ps3. Big focus on improving visuals lead us to have great visuals barely changing overtime, but gameplay didnt evolve.

tmyakal,

gameplay didn’t evolve

Massive understatement. The PS5’s biggest titles were remakes and direct sequels. Coupling it with the “upgraded” versions of PS4 games like Ghost of Tsushima, Last of Us Part 2, and GTA5, even the marketing seemed to boil down to “This is just a really nice PS4.”

frezik, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

It’s because of this:

vgchartz.com/…/ps5-vs-ps4-sales-comparison-june-2…

Align PS4 and PS5 sales to their launch date, and you’ll see that the PS5 has been lagging behind. Not by a lot, but it’s noticeable. This is despite the fact that The Xbox Series X/S is doing a bit worse than the Xbox One, and the One did a lot worse than the 360. Nintendo, of course, is in another room doing its own thing.

Sony expected every generation to sell better than the last. The market has clearly hit a saturation point, so that expectation is no longer valid. Combine that with the fact that Moore’s Law (originally defined as the price per integrated component dropping) is completely dead. That means you can no longer expect better hardware to get cheaper. You might be able to find fabs that can give you more performance, but it’ll cost you.

This is why the GabeCube is a good idea from a business persepctive. It will likely have better performance than the Xbox Series X/S, but not as good as the PS5. What it can do is be affordable with good enough hardware. The specs appear to be a bit Frankenstein, which is what you’d expect if Valve grabbed whatever deals on things they could find to put something together.

Quexotic, do gaming w "This is a blatant, unapologetic act of vicious union busting" - Hundreds of Rockstar employees sign letter to management, demanding fired colleagues get reinstated

Next up: hundreds of Rockstar employees that signed letter to management, summarily fired…

redsand,

GTA VI pushed to 2028

dditty, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

I got a PS5 shortly after launch which was a chore; I subscribed to a discord group to get notified about new store drops so I could find one at MSRP to avoid scalpers. The only exclusive I played through was the Demon Souls remaster. Ive played other games on it too but they are all cross-platform and I could’ve played them on my gaming PC.

DarkAri, do gaming w Five years from launch the PS5 is a roaring success, so why doesn't it feel like it? [Eurogamer]

I don’t think there is really any games and also mod support is basically nonexistent on consoles.

DdCno1,

There are games, but few exclusives (just 18 the last time I checked). If you want to play modern games and don’t want a PC, it’s fine for that, without really being special in any way. It is a difficult value proposition for owners of the previous gen, since the jump in visual fidelity is much smaller than between prior generations (an inevitability that isn’t Sony’s fault) and since the previous generation is still being at least partially supported and was strongly supported for a very long time. However, over time, most have clearly made the jump and with the release of GTA VI (timed exclusive for PS), the system will see another significant boost.

Mods are not really a factor on consoles. Very few console gamers care about them. Xbox has slightly better support with fewer restrictions, but there are only a handful of games with support (mainly Bethesda RPGs). It clearly hasn’t helped the competition from Redmond.

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