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Manticore, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
@Manticore@lemmy.nz avatar

Nope, will probably avoid 11 as long as I can though. I have an Mvidia card (drivers are notoriously troublesome on Linux). And I need professional design software for work (as in, industry standard: Adobe or Affinity).

But I put 11 on my laptop to try it and I hate it. So many terrible UI changes, UX noticeably worse. Like they changed stuff just to say they changed stuff.

I considered going Linux for personal use and development, and then using another machine or dual boot for Mac for design software. But i learned about the Nvidia issues after I upgraded my card :/ and swapping to Mac’s walled garden after avoiding it for decades is… a sign of how bad W11 feels to use.

solarvector,

Might be worth testing Linux with a separate drive. I know people still have trouble with Nvidia, but there are a lot of people (myself included) that just had to install the drivers and have had zero issues thereafter. Mine is a slightly older gaming laptop.

I have a desktop with an AMD card that I tried to put Linux on and couldn’t get the drivers to work. I’m going to try again in the summer and hope they’ve caught up.

ohshit604,
@ohshit604@sh.itjust.works avatar

drivers are notoriously troublesome on Linux

I dunno man, Debian makes it pretty easy.

  1. Prerequisites

x64 Kernel headers:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install linux-headers-amd64
</span>
  1. Debian 12 Installation

Disable secure boot & add ‘Contrib’ repository to sources list:


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bookworm main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
</span>

Install Nvidia driver


<span style="color:#323232;">sudo apt install nvidia-driver firmware-misc-nonfree
</span>

Restart system.

Bonus points for optimal performance follow CUDA doc & OptiX doc for Ray-Tracing & utilization of Nvidia cuda cores.

thepineapplejumped,

On Ubuntu you can also just run:

sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall

communist,
@communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

Bazzite makes nvidia pretty easy, although it can still be troublesome, they are working on it. There’s a different iso to install that is designed for nvidia, couldn’t be more straightforward.

DaedalousIlios,

If you have a newer NVIDIA, you should be good. It’s a little rough around the edges here and there (steam overlay flickered for a friend, but that was months ago and could well be fixed) , but to my understanding, the worst issues have been solved. And having previously used an RTX 2040, it worke perfectly where it truly matters.

Like others have said, try a dualboot. It can’t hurt.

CeeBee_Eh,

I have an Mvidia card (drivers are notoriously troublesome on Linux).

They haven’t been for a while now. On some newer distros they’ll install the Nvidia drivers at the same time as the OS itself.

Sendpicsofsandwiches, do games w Are there any games you don't play as it was intended to be played? If so, what game and how?
@Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works avatar

The Ship. It’s normally supposed to be a social deduction game, but some friends and I all get together in a private server and basically just play deathmatch. It’s hilarious because most of fhe weapons are really hard to kill with and you still have to be sneaky because if you get caught, you go to jail (which is also full of shanks). It always leads to some great chaos, especially with more people.

RebekahWSD,
@RebekahWSD@lemmy.world avatar

Whenever I played The Ship back in the day or always seemed it was mostly murder and no deduction other than “did my target change outfits”?

Good game though. Very fun.

Agent_Karyo, do games w Day 263 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games l've been playing
@Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world avatar

Enjoy it while you can, it’s going to be shut down by Nintendo soon, with private server users being assaulted by special forces and then sent to North Korean concentration camps (special agreement between NK and Nintendo to uphold “IP rights”).

moonburster, do games w Are there any games you don't play as it was intended to be played? If so, what game and how?

Horizon zero dawn and forbidden west. I just roam around and by accident find the missions I’m supposed to do. I also exploit all the enemies, there is a hard lock on where they can walk, so I just stand 10 meter out of the zone and start hitting big enemies for 5 minutes without taking damage.

I will blame Skyrim for this behaviour

thewitchslayer,

I think I did that a few times in ZD when I first played. You likening it to Skyrim for that makes sense. The classic “if I stand on this rock, the giant can’t launch me into space”

Damaskox, do games w Are there any games you don't play as it was intended to be played? If so, what game and how?
@Damaskox@lemmy.world avatar

Factorio is fun for me until oil comes up.

I have managed to play further with the black market mod. I can make whatever item I want, sell enough of it and buy the things I want or need instead of making them myself.

Other mods add more powerful machines that make items much faster. I like to do manually stuff with one machine only, then swap to something else with the same machine and repeat the process.

AngryCommieKender,

With the update, even if you don’t have the DLC, fluids have been rebalanced. You just have to place a pump every 200-250 tiles and everything flows.

For oil specifically, you don’t need anything but petroleum until what used to be late game. So just build a few (like a dozen) refineries and make sure that there’s actually oil coming in.

Once you actually need lubricant, and light oil, set up chemical plants to turn heavy oil into lube and light oil, and light oil into petroleum. It won’t be fast, but it won’t clog and it will produce what you need, slowly. You can use storage tanks as a buffer for your lube, light oil, and petroleum. Heavy oil isn’t used as a direct input for any assembler recipe.

I consider myself a Factorio apprentice, as I have yet to actually set up a proper train system. I’m slowly learning circuit logic, but can get to Gelba without getting stuck.

Don’t stress optimization, brute force works as well.

According to my father, who is an absolute Epic Wizard level computer programmer consultant, Factorio teaches you the basics of computer programming.

Agent641,

Oil is where Factorio becomes factoriohno

Toribor,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

The updated fluid mechanics are a lot more forgiving and basically have infinite throughput. It’s still a whole new layer of complexity but doesn’t have nearly as many confusing limitations as it used to.

Weirdfish,

I don’t think anyone plays factorio the way it was meant to be played.

With the new belt reading mechanics, I’m trying a single sushi belt play through and have made it as far as blue science so far.

Hyunta, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of April 6th

I’m discovering the Mass Effect trilogy 2 times a week before remote work. That’s a nice way to begin the day ☺️ Also spreading some Democracy with friends (Helldivers 2 obviously).

justsquigglez, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of April 6th
@justsquigglez@lemm.ee avatar

My apartment got flooded recently so I don’t have access to my computer for now, so I booted up RetroArch on my phone with a Razer Kishi and started playing Pokemon Unbound, a pretty neat rom-hack.

I’m only at the 3rd gym leader right now though, but I’ve been passing time in-game by making sure to name every single pokemon I catch.

Telorand, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of April 6th

I started Remember Me, but the camera is complete ass. I played it at 240Hz, but it bounced around so much, I got motion sickness.

I’m going to give it another try with a controller and at 60Hz, but if it’s still sickness-inducing, I’ma have to drop it.

kyub, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Obviously Linux is the correct choice but I fear most will simply continue to suck it up and update to W11.

Alaknar,

Obviously Linux is the correct choice

Spoken like a true fundamentalist, completely disconnected from reality! The top of the Linux breed!

Linux is not “obviously” the “correct” choice, mate. It CAN be. In CERTAIN scenarios. It’s awesome if people do it, but you need to be real here.

kyub, (edited )

It’s the other way around. In general, you should choose Linux over Windows, and only if you really need it, use Windows. Also, if you need Windows just temporarily for some things, consider running it in a VM inside Linux just for those occasions.

Why - well, to keep it short, Linux’ main weaknesses for common users (difficulty, compatibility) are gradually fading away (they are already almost non-existent these days if you have mainstream hardware and a mainstream desktop distro like Mint, Fedora, Ubuntu) while Windows’ main disadvantages (forced stuff like cloud/AI integrations/ads, complete disregard of user’s privacy, increasing security issues due to outdated stuff being kept in the OS for backwards compatibility reasons, and many more things) keep on increasing at a rapid rate. Microsoft has a big business interest in getting all users locked into their cloud ecosystem, locked into a subscription with ever-increasing monthly fees, and give up control over their own computer and their digital privacy. They want users to pay them with their data AND monthly subscription fees. MS Office, for example, will probably not have a pure locally runnable version after 2029 (or around that year) anymore. This Microsoft train is heading towards that wall. And the speed is increasing. And tons of users are still inside that train. And Windows itself likely won’t be spared either. They want you to pay monthly for M365 and they will get their customers there, eventually.

Furthermore, by supporting Microsoft you’re supporting a very unethical company. They partner with big surveillance companies like Palantir and they are an active participant in the despicable ad-tech-industry (the industry that’s spying on literally everyone and buying/selling/storing tons of intimate user data even though it’s illegal in most countries), they partner with the military, law enforcement and other things. Also, they are a US company, and we all know how US politics is like these days, and this can have a big influence on how “trustworthy” US-based proprietary software will become in the near future. Since 2020, arguably no US-based proprietary software or online service is trustworthy anymore anyway, because of the CLOUD act, which is current law in the US - it means that the US government has access to any customer data stored by a US-based company, regardless of where on Earth they are storing it. This means the often-used claim “my data stored by that US company is safe because it’s in a European-based datacenter!!!11” is false since at least 2020, because MS is forced by US law to grant technical access to customer data to their government. Also, all previous “data transfer privacy agreements” between EU and US like Privacy Shield were all a joke and were dismantled in courts already. So there’s currently zero legal data protection - any data you send to a US company is theirs to do with as they please, essentially. And even if there were any meaningful legal data protections left, those big tech companies might still simply ignore that data protection law and only face minor or no fines at all.

So this is not a baseless claim. Just because I might keep some statements short doesn’t mean that there are no backing arguments. It’s a very good idea to reduce your dependency on Microsoft’s (or in general, US-based) proprietary software and services. For multiple reasons. Digital sovereignty has never been more important than these days. It has always been important but it was maybe too abstract in the past for many common users to realize. They are slowly starting to realize now that dependencies on proprietary software from any rogue regime (and the current US regime also falls into that category now) are not great to have. Plus, there is Microsoft on its own already putting ever-increasing user- and customer-hostile features into their products. It’s like being in an abusive relationship (as the one being abused). It’s just not good for you long-term.

So as a user, you should instead choose software which allows you to retain your digital sovereignty and control over your own computing, and simply not take all that abuse. Linux- or *BSD-based OSes with their open/transparent development models, fork-able/modifiable code bases, permissive licensing and essentially zero unwanted crap like adware, spyware, bloatware etc. offer exactly that. And because mainstream Linux distros have already become so easy to use these days, there are almost no reasons not to start using them.

Alaknar,

All your arguments are logically sound and completely miss the main point.

The issue with Linux is not that “it’s getting there” in terms of user friendliness. It’s that it’s not there YET.

On top of that you have the community - just the other day I was searching to solve an issue, found a very similar thread, and the only reply the guy got was “here’s a link to the ArchWiki, welcome to the Linux world, you need to figure this out yourself”.

My 80 year old mother is not figuring out shit, she’s terrified when she has to copy a photo from a USB stick to here Photos folder.

Saying “Linux is fine for the masses today” is just showing how detached many Linux users are from reality.

WetBeardHairs, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I just gave up on windows gaming. If the game cant be played on my steamdeck, I just find something else. Otherwise its macos and linux for anything non-professional that requires windows. And even then I fucking hate it. Oh look at that… all my documents say “Auto-recover (version 1)” because it forcibly rebooted on me.

dbkblk,

This! A game is a game. There are often good alternative that give as much entertainment. If a publisher doesn’t want you to play, that’s their problem, they won’t get money from you.

ano_ba_to,

Even the Playstation OS is better than this. It asks you whether to update before shutdown or the next time it starts up. ‘You’re 33% there’ is gaslighting, especially when you’re just shutting down the machine to go to bed.

MattTheProgrammer, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
@MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world avatar

My plan is to use my Linux box as my main PC with Steam installed so that I can remote play from my Windows gaming PC since not all titles natively work on Linux for me. That way, the only activity being performed on my Windows machine is gaming and everything else will live in Linux Mint

glog78,
@glog78@digitalcourage.social avatar

@MattTheProgrammer @The_Picard_Maneuver

Since you wanna Game using network anyway did you ever thought of Cloud Gaming (aka Geforce Now) ? That way you don't have a "unsecure" device in your network. From a security standpoint even an device only used for gaming is a security risk ;)

IceFoxX,

FCK nvidia

glog78,
@glog78@digitalcourage.social avatar

@IceFoxX

I have used nvidia on my private PC on linux for more than a decade now. They provided a stable usable 3D acceleration in KDE1 when no other company did give a fuck about linux and voodoo had only their glide interface on the console.

As a customer i am very sad about the current state on linux and as a customer my next graphics card might be an AMD. The reasons are not only the driver but also that amd provides just more memory for the same money and i think that nvidia currently is cheating their way throu the consumer market (for real imaginary AI Pictures is a performance improvment ???).

But and thats why i disagree hardly with the "fuck nvidia" ... they deserve the respect for the support much longer than any brand out there and therefor they deserve a respectfull way to express where they imho do wrong.

IceFoxX, (edited )

They deserve respect? For the criminal methods they used back then? FCK nvidia! That’s like paying respect to MS or Intel + Nvidia to destroy the market in the long term in monopoly positions.
( First of all, this is not a criticism of the users. I used to use Intel and Nvidia myself. It’s towards Nvidia and their dirty company policy. )

MattTheProgrammer,
@MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world avatar

That would require me to abandon half of my Steam library and pay an additional cost for games I already can play. My device is on Windows 11 so I am not worried about security updates, more so the Recall “feature” and AI training.

robdor, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

Where’s that steam os release

EarlGrey,

If you want SteamOS there are plenty of options that are effectively the exact same thing but with a different name.

robdor,

I tried a few but couldn’t get them to work. I think the issue was my 1080ti GPU. I did get one of the other recommended Debian kde plasma builds installed and that one is looking nice. I was having issues with getting the same games to run that work on my steam deck. Probably just need to spend more time on it.

EarlGrey,

SteamOS-like distributions probably aren’t for you right now. nvidia has massively improved over the year but it’s still not on par with AMD.

Using an immutable distro (which Steam OS and its kind are) is just going to complicate things. Your easiest bet is using a distro that will install the correct drivers at install, like pop_os or mint.

Rolive, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I’m already on Linux, gaming isn’t as good but I only play old games anyway so it doesn’t matter.

brysmi,
@brysmi@lemmy.world avatar

Fwiw, a great majority of my Steam library plays great in SteamOS.

Rolive,

Indeed. I use a steam deck primarily for gaming and it surprises me every day how well it performs.

dbkblk, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there). There’s no point in using Windows at all, unless you’re forced at work, or stuck because you don’t want to learn an alternative tool.

JakobFel,
@JakobFel@retrolemmy.com avatar

There’s also the issue of people who regularly play games with kernel AC, particularly with studios who intentionally refuse Linux support.

dbkblk,

Yes, but honestly, I find that games enforcing incompatible AC are often poorly developed games. The latest that disappointed me was EA WRC. It was quite good, but the gameplay was less interesting that Dirt Rally 2, for exemple, and since they enforced AC, they also started to deploy DLC, and destroy the game. The lesson was to never ever buy something from Electronic Arts (the last time was more than 10 years ago for me). And kernel level anti-cheat is NO GO on my computer. It doesn’t matter if the game is awesome or not, I disagree with the fact that a game company has root access on my computer just for entertainement.

MoreFPSmorebetter, do games w Are there any games you don't play as it was intended to be played? If so, what game and how?

I like playing games that incentivise stealth as Michael Bay films. Give me rocket launchers and c4. Yeah I don’t have the high score for the level but I will kill literally every single non-vital NPC.

DontMakeMoreBabies,

Any “stealth optional” mission in Cyberpunk 2077 basically goes that way for me…

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