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iAmTheTot, (edited ) do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

None. There’s no such thing as an objective master piece. Games are art which is, by definition, subjective.

Edited to add, well this was way more controversial than I thought it would be.

sugar_in_your_tea,

“Masterpiece” comes from the art world, and there are absolutely works everyone seems to agree qualify, such as:

  • The Mona Lisa
  • David statue
  • David Copperfield by Charles Dickens

It’s usually the best work by an artist, or at least the one that got them their recognition, and it stands out among other works in the field.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s the one that got them their recognition, it’s little more than arbitrary; luck, place and time; things that don’t have to do with how good the work is. Some “masterpieces” weren’t considered such until they were exposed to people over and over again, like The Mona Lisa at the Louvre or It’s a Wonderful Life on TBS. I’d have a hard time calling a number of games masterpieces that I didn’t care for, because this isn’t objective.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

A masterpiece could just refer to a piece of art from a master. It could refer to the quality of an engineering project, or the skill involved in the work’s creation. Are these not objective qualities?

I don’t really think the Mona Lisa is a great image, personally (it’s a boring portrait), but I can still recognize that it was masterfully done.

Katana314,

This gets trickier with games, because an experienced game designer can, for instance, look at the UI design and graphics programming of a Ubisoft open world slopfest, and say those parts were masterfully done (even if the overall game isn’t so fun). And, even the best of video games have bits of them that weren’t as good.

Krauerking,

Right… So what game gets the most of those bits the most right?

That’s how you start to separate out the best. Not that complex.

LandedGentry, (edited )

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  • seathru,
    @seathru@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I think the word you are looking for is pedant.

    Better vocabulary will help get your point across better. Without also sounding like an edgy atheist teen.

    Krudler,

    It’s low-grade trolling, chill bro. They’re not serious.

    ms_lane,

    Games are not Art, they are Games.

    Videogames can also be art, but they are also games and ‘games’ (note: not ‘videogames’) are not art.

    rockerface, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    Out of recent ones, Blue Prince

    Krauerking,

    It’s such a good puzzle box but I don’t think I would call The Room, a masterpiece while it’s still yet another great puzzle box game.

    They are masterpieces in puzzles but maybe not games? I dunno why I don’t consider them.

    Krauerking, (edited ) do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    So I think it’s actually really important that the games that would be considered objective masterpieces would have to overcome any language barriers and be an experience approachable by anyone. You can learn the mechanics to enjoy the gameplay without words
    So:

    • Portal
    • Journey
    • Binding of Isaac
    • Shadow of the Colossus
    • Metro 2033 (which I have sat on and I believe even if it was entirely in Russian you would still get it )
    • DOOM (original you don’t need words you shoot)
    • Super Mario Bros. 3
    • Katamari Damacy

    Then there are dialogue option stories that are fantastic stories that I could consider greats but shareable masterpieces is hard to say as they rely on you speaking the language both literally and then gameplay wise:

    • Stanley Parable
    • Outer Wilds
    • Tales From the Borderlands
    • To the Moon
    • Talos Principle
    • Golf Club Wasteland
    • Dead Space
    Mora, do gaming w Elden Ring Nightreign Review Thread

    Missing crossplay really sucks. I theoretically have an enthusiastic squad … too bad one player only has a PlayStation while me and the other person have PCs.

    chloyster,

    Yep it’s really whack. Sucks too because I have 2 distinct squads. A crew from college and a crew from high school. One on PlayStation and one on PC… Like I could buy it on both I suppose but that just sucks lol

    Megaman_EXE,

    That seems like a massive oversight. That’s so weird. I get it’s probably way easier to implement it the way they did. But because you likely will wana group with friends, it really limits people

    termus,
    @termus@beehaw.org avatar

    FromSoftware doesn’t really do extra.

    oplkill, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    There is no game: wrong dimension

    alexaralvarado, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
    @alexaralvarado@infosec.pub avatar

    Supergiant games’ holy trinity: Bastion, Transistor and Pyre.

    Also, the only Borderland games 1 and 2; don’t believe the lies there are no more true Borderlands games and no there most certainly is no movie.

    There’s also one other, but you’ll need a crowbar or a gravity gun in hand for me to tell you about it.

    inb4_FoundTheVegan,
    @inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world avatar

    Bastion and Transistor, sure. Without a doubt, imoactful clever stories that were well delivered.

    Pyre always felt like a buggy mess tho. I tried multiple times to get into it but it’s just not on the level of the first two.

    JackbyDev, (edited )

    Feels odd to include Pyre over Hades.

    Krauerking,

    You are wrong about borderlands as there is one more and it is pretty muc h perfect.

    Tales from the Borderlands.
    Shame they never made a sequel for it but the artistry, music and story are all so well crafted. Someone loved Borderlands making that.

    Bytemeister, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    Metro 2033. Played it in the dark with good surround sound headphones on, and it’s positively claustrophobic.

    Last Light is good too, but at little too optimistic IMHO. 2033 nails that endless pit of despair feeling, with just enough lucky breaks that you might make it through.

    Krauerking,

    I would absolutely put that game up high on the lists as it is a perfect piece of atmospheric gameplay of misery incarnate.

    EncryptKeeper, do games w Screenshot and review-ish rambling about my current game! Lies of P

    I feel like I should give this game a try but the awful name “Lied of P” is so bad it turns me off the game so hard lol.

    SkunkWorkz,

    I always read it as “Lies of Pie”

    KombatWombat,

    Its name is wordplay in Korean, where P means blood. But it is weird when translated.

    FeelzGoodMan420, do gaming w Controller for ShieldTV and AppleTV

    Wireless xbox controller is what I use any time I need a wireless controller. I have an old xbox one s bluetooth controller.

    Ashiette, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    There are a lot of answers, mine will be drowned but… there it is. In no particular order :

    • Final Fantasy X
    • Clair Obscur : Expedition 33
    • Baldur’s Gate 3
    • Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 (but you had to be there when it came out)
    • Metal Gear Solid 3
    • Shadow Hearts : Covenant
    • Kya : Dark Lineage (the bugs were a feature)
    • Horizon : Zero Dawn
    • Megaman (any megaman will do)
    • Crash Bandicoot Trilogy
    • Spyro Trilogy
    • Pokemon Yellow/Crystal/Emerald
    • Pokemon Jade (yes that bootleg version)
    • The Last of Us (pt. I & II)
    • Astroneer
    • GTA : Vice City
    • Unreal Tournament 2004
    • CS 1.6 played in the most dirty lan at your disposal
    • Control
    • Tetris
    • Neverwinter Nights 2
    • Dragon Age : Origins
    • Quake III
    • Bomberman
    LanguageIsCool,

    Just started BG3. Fuckin mind-blowingly amazing.

    Ashiette,

    If you really liked BG3 you might also like Neverwinter Nights 2 and DA:O. I heard there was a remaster of Neverwinter Nights 2 in the works, maybe give it a try when it comes out.

    Devadander, do gaming w It's adorable

    Yep. That’s how branding works.

    sunzu2,

    Also how industries get monopolized

    essell, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    My Picks…

    Deus Ex (So many games try to be this and fail)

    Cyberpunk (This one eventually measured up)

    Alpha Centauri (Innovation mixed with familiarity and setting)

    Fallout 2 (they’re all good. Fallout 2 is special)

    Kotor (Star Wars story telling in a beautiful way)

    Baldur’s Gate 2 and 3 (I’m stunned that 3 was a worthy successor)

    Homeworld (One of the World’s truly beautiful games)

    cletuspolybius,

    I remember trying the demo to Homeworld when I was a kid, it came with one of those old school PC GAMER demo CDs. I think I was too young to understand how to play it effectively, but still loved it because I found the ambience of the experience so memorizing while hyper-cozy. Would you say it she’s well as something worth going back and playing now, and what of the sequel(s)?

    essell,

    I still repplay now and then, there’s no game like it.

    Sadly the sequals failed to capture the grace of the original, though I’ve not tried 3 yet.

    Blackmist,

    Phantom Liberty is where Cyberpunk becomes a masterpiece.

    Shardikprime, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    Spec Ops: The line

    Basically the “committing war crimes isn’t funny after all” game

    This is your fault, god-damnit 🫵

    Elevator7009, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

    Curious to hear what the criteria for “masterpiece” is, otherwise I think it is just peoples’ subjective opinion of what makes a great game that they also think others might agree about being a great game. Genuinely curious, interested in discussion, not saying this to shut down any of the answers here.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Historically a masterpiece has been a (or the) work that demonstrates an artist is capable of utilizing their medium to its fullest extent, i.e. it has been mastered. Per ye olde Wiki:

    Historically, a “masterpiece” was a work of a very high standard produced by an apprentice to obtain full membership, as a “master”, of a guild or academy in various areas of the visual arts and crafts.

    In that light, I’d say the best qualified would be games that completely utilized the capabilities of the platform they were designed for or, perhaps of interest to more people, expanded what everyone thought could be done with those systems. Games which were furthermore well polished and complete, and did not have much room for improvement taking into account the constraints they had to work with at the time. (For instance: No duh we could make Mario 64 run at a higher framerate and have better textures to look nicer on hardware now. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t arguably a masterpiece of its time, on the system it was on.) This doesn’t just have to be technical stuff – It could be the way the game used storytelling, its gameplay mechanics, or anything else.

    ladicius,

    Then Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom belong to that category - run smoothly as fuck on one of the lamest consoles there is, and are beautiful and complex.

    dual_sport_dork,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    …Just don’t look at it too hard when you go to the Great Deku Tree in BotW.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Spyro and Crash trilogies on the PSX, as well as the Quake 2 port, would definitely merit being called technical masterpieces

    On the original Xbox, Phantom Dust would fit that bill, despite being a commercial failure at the time. The tldr is that you create a collection of spells (attacks, traps, dodges, curses, buffs) and try to grab them and the “mana” during the real time duels, in order to beat your opponents. Terrain is semi destructible and you have to take into consideration the trajectory of your spells - www.xbox.com/games/store/…/9PCDNBHR11MR

    KOhBaby,

    In my mind a masterpiece video game can’t be copied. Or at least if someone tried it would just be called a cheap clone of the original.

    Then again everything can be copied but the more difficult it is to copy the closer it is to a masterpiece IMO.

    Deflated0ne, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?
    @Deflated0ne@lemmy.world avatar

    RDR2. Witcher 3. Fallout New Vegas.

    FelixCress,

    Fallout 2

    Deflated0ne,
    @Deflated0ne@lemmy.world avatar

    Wasteland 3.

    FelixCress,

    In this case, Jagged Alliance 2 (with 1.13 mod).

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