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EvilBit, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?

Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. The game so good it created the term “Metroidvania” even though the formula was basically “Metroid”.

CileTheSane,
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Does it hold up well for someone who doesn’t have nostalgia for it?

EvilBit,

Absolutely yes. It’s timelessly good. I played a bunch of the post-SotN Castlevanias on GBA and such and even with the more advanced systems and everything, none of them hit the same. It’s insane how well they nailed it on their first go.

CileTheSane,
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Should I look for a remaster or emulate the original?

Phelpssan,
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I think the only recent re-release of that game was for the PS4, so unless you have that console it’s probably easier to emulate the original.

EvilBit,

There really isn’t a remaster, just ports. There’s very little to improve.

I think there may have been some voice re-recordings here or there, but otherwise most versions are pretty much the same. I think the Xbox 360 Live Arcade version is missing some unimportant FMVs and some other minor details, but it’s still completely decent.

It was a secret unlockable in the PSP game Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles with an added character and other stuff, but then you have to deal with the PSP emulation or whatever.

I’d suggest either emulating the original or getting it as a PSOne Classic on PlayStation Store unless some other route is more convenient.

kratoz29,

I played it for the 1st time, no nostalgia googles and I didn’t really enjoy the back tracking that much (even using the quick travel spots), the way to get the powers (you kinda need to remember where the monsters are) and discovering the secret rooms felt like a chore to me.

The only Castlevania games that I have played to completion have been Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin of ruin for DS, and regarding the genre, additionally to that, it would be Metroid Zero Mission, Guacamelee! And I think those are the ones I can remember… And I didn’t feel that way with them.

I did enjoy the OST and the graphics a lot though.

EvilBit,

I’ll admit that 100%ing (or rather “100%”ing it - iykyk) it can get pretty tiresome, but I actually found that the backtracking wasn’t too bad because the castle map was so good. For some reason I was able to remember a lot of routes in it, but I couldn’t find my way through the later games for the life of me without checking the map screen every five seconds.

missingno,
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As someone who played later entries first and then went back to SotN, IMO it's a bit rough around the edges in comparison. Still a fantastic game, but I think later games managed to improve on it.

CileTheSane,
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Which one is your favorite?

missingno,
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Portrait of Ruin

markz,

Usually old ps1 games just don’t do it for me, but sotn was one of the two exceptions.

kratoz29,

Which is the other exception?

EvilBit,

I’ll guess Metal Gear Solid but there are plenty of other bangers in the PS1 library.

kratoz29,

For me a banger is the Toy Story 2 game, and I am not even joking lol.

EvilBit,

I’ll have to try that sometime.

Screen_Shatter,

I still play it once every few years. Love that game. Tons of secrets, dont look at any guides until you beat it, and have explored thoroughly.

chonglibloodsport,

You don’t have to have nostalgia for the game to appreciate how wonderfully crafted and expansive it is. It has one of the best soundtracks of any game, period, and its art is highly detailed and numerous. It has a ton of secrets (including one MAJOR secret) and a couple of extra game modes that enhance the replayability.

I would say the game seems to get better every time I play it. Is that nostalgia or something else? There are a lot of games I played before I had ever seen SOTN, yet I don’t feel the same desire to keep replaying them. I think it’s like a piece of classical music or a great movie. The more you replay it, the more details you come to appreciate. The original Deus Ex is like that for me as well.

demonsword,
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It’s an fantastic game, as other have already told you. But I’d like to add that there’s a randomizer for it and this basically adds almost infinite replay value (at least for me!)

sem, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?

Aquaria. Very retro indie game from 2007. Underwater theme.

Kenny2999, do games w Games that I finished this year so far. Probably the best year of gaming for me since 2007
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Easy to agree with that list. Stuff like Witcher3+dlcs were a mesmerizing experience.

AliasVortex, do games w Games that I finished this year so far. Probably the best year of gaming for me since 2007

Lego Marvel Superheroes is probably one of my favorite Lego games! It’s not without its faults (it kinda bugs me that free play just sticks you back in with pretty much the same cast of characters), but it’s just so much fun to wander around the over world map causing wanton chaos and being a general menace. Plus, I love that the characters generally voice aced by the same people that voice/ play them in live action or other shows, so when Iron Man talks it sounds like Iron Man.

chunes, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?

Some of my faves that aren’t Hollow Knight:

  • Axiom Verge
  • Astalon: Tears of the Earth
  • Ender Lilies
  • Blasphemous
Profligate_Parasite, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?

Its my no.1 genre… i have played A LOT of them. People have already hit on the “big three” - hollow knight, super metroid and castlevania SOTN… heres lesser mentioned gems… sure, they’re not as incredible as those 3 genre topping master pieces, but theyre super super good and worth a play.

  • alwas awakening
  • tunic*
  • hyper light drifter*
  • hob*
  • Another Metroid 2 Remake (AM2R)
  • Metroid Dread
  • castlevania dawn of sorrows/aria of sorrow
  • axiom verge
  • metroid prime
  • castlevania 3
  • metroid zero mission
  • SM: ancient chozo**
  • SM: Ascent**
  • 9 Sols

*yes, there could be called “zelda-likes” instead of metroid vanias, but i always felt those two game designs were kissing cousins… if you like one you might like the other.

** these are romhacks…,very very good ones. You need a rom of super metroid and emulator to play em.

dejected_warp_core,

Solid list!

but i always felt those two game designs were kissing cousin

I see them as the same genre. You have this “pushing the map’s frontier” mechanic, along with some power or item progression to enable that. The rest is find-and-seek to connect all those dots. IMO, the only major difference is a side vs top-down perspective.

Profligate_Parasite,

Its true… i think the fundamental formula is that it makes you an explorer first- turns you loose with a very vague objective and lets you discover… map, traversal, sequence skips, w/e and gives you “clues” while letting you feel empowered to do things in your own order/way/time… thus making you feel clever.

Zeldas, you could say, are more linear, more “adventure” in progression than exploration… but its not black n white and each title has varying degrees of freedom

Tattorack, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Hollow Knight. It’s the only one I actually played to the end.

Profligate_Parasite, do games w What's a recent game you've tried playing that isn't worth the hype?

Hot take alert
Hollow knight silksong.

Its such a huge letdown for me as a massive fan of Hk… but they did so many things that are just… mean. They disrespect the player constantly… tc actually TROLLS YOU with trick benches n shit. But mainly waste so much of your time with shitty padded content. Fucking fetch quests, timed ‘flower’ quests by the dozen. Most of the primary content ends up being “just like hollow knight, but worse, and now do 10x more of the worse version.” So its unoriginal AND inferior to the source.

I tried so hard to love it and its nothing but frustration in the end.

isyasad,
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I stopped playing it after the credits rolled only for someone to tell me there’s a secret Act 3 if you do some really specific stuff. I don’t really care for games that require guides, especially if they gate a bunch of content behind it, so I never came back to it.

However, I did enjoy the first two acts of Silksong much more than the first game. I was never a big fan of Hollow Knight and considered it among the worst of popular metroidvanias. But Silksong was pretty good outside of the fetch quests. Unlockable alternate move sets was probably my favorite bit

Profligate_Parasite,

Sorry late reply… yeah i realized a lot of my frustration was trying to play spoiler free… but this game seems to beg for guides/walkthroughs, and i agree w you i really dont like games that feel super dependent on constantly checking a guide not to mention just breaking your immersion n taking you out of the gameplay… but some of the stuff is like “no way im just figuring that out!” Like egregious level of “hidden area behind a hidden area to fight a hidden boss that unlocks a hidden upgrade” level shit. Its one more in a long list of really bummer decisions from this team.

fox2263, do gaming w We don't have to make it complicated

I still want an actual remaster of FF7

salacious_coaster,

I just watched the “movie” of FF7 Remake on YT, and holy fuck, what the actual hell was that ending. Off the goddamn rails

funkless_eck,

I mean the OG ended with the soul of the protagonist fighting the dead ghost of the antagonist in the afterlife, killing the already dead guy (who you have killed at least 3 times, maybe more already) in the afterlife before a cut to 500 years later and everything is plants.

salacious_coaster,

Yeah, and the remake had all those same elements, plus

Tap for spoilerThe regular story jarringly derailed to bring us a space battle with plot device ghosts at the singularity at the edge of creation, and multiverses or time travel or some shit that undo the most dramatic moment of the whole franchise, IMO

gray, do gaming w Are there any good communities, Lemmy or otherwise, for gamers 30+?

Check out geezergamers@lemmy.world

llii,

Community as a link: !geezergamers

moody,

It doesn’t appear to exist?

MonkderVierte,

This link makes my Email client pop up.

eru, do games w The osu! Open Source Client, Lazer, Has Been Made the Default Download Option for New Users
@eru@mouse.chitanda.moe avatar

making the client open source was such a good move

Sunsofold, do gaming w We don't have to make it complicated

Speaker on ceiling: Anyone detected using an emulator will hear from our legal department for stealing the product we have but refuse to make available for sale.

frezik, do games w What is your favorite Metroidvania?

Axiom Verge. I don’t know how they managed to improve on the feeling of Super Metroid, but they did it.

janewaydidnothingwrong,

If you havent played the sequel I would recommend it. It definitely is not the same as the original but is still really solid and hopefully there will be further games

TheKracken,

Agreed both are really good games. One of the few games I’ve 100%

e0qdk, do games w The osu! Open Source Client, Lazer, Has Been Made the Default Download Option for New Users
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I’ve seen recordings of people playing this before in stream VODs a couple times before the player fired up another game, and, well, this post finally got me to try it.

The on-ramp for new players trying to make sense of it is, uh, not great. Trying to make an account on the website tells you to download the game. Okay… Trying to make an account in the game then sent me back to the website!? (Why not just let me register on the website in the first place?)

The basic idea of the circle mode is easy enough to understand – although I doubt I will ever get very good at this, at least with a mouse, and I’m still not quite sure on whether or not I’m supposed to hold a key down/click-and-drag or just click and then follow the motion? – but there are other modes that it threw me in (mania?) when I tried loading another song from the catalog and it was rather difficult to even figure out what keys I was supposed to push. (The diagram on the wiki was not helpful – I spent a while confused thinking I was supposed to use ASDF for a “4K” when it seems like it’s actually DFJK for some reason?) Probably all makes sense to someone who’s been playing it for years, but, yeah… Pretty UI, but the on-boarding could use some work.

Might be fun to poke around at for music discovery though.

Anyway, that’s my 2 cents worth from giving it a try.

colderr,

In Osu! (Standard, so the circle clicking mode) you can, by default, use Z and X aswell, instead of the mouse buttons. Standard is a long learning process, and if you do decide to maybe play it again, my personal recommendation would be not to get stuck on PP (performance points), it could really ruin the fun of the game, when you play the same song and map for the 100th time in a row.

Mania, I haven’t really played so I can’t really help with that.

A tutorial song and map should’ve immediately downloaded after installing Lazer, but if it didn’t, I recommend downloading it, cause it does help with the basics of Osu! Standard.

Also settings has keybinds and you can change anything to anything pretty much. I would recommend clicking around it.

e0qdk,
@e0qdk@reddthat.com avatar

I did do the tutorial (after fucking up the first time through the initial setup and only getting the recommended songs and going “?!?!?!” for a moment) so I know about Z/X but what I mean is it’s not entirely clear if I’m supposed to keep holding them while dragging. The UI’s clear enough if I missed entirely, but if I kind of got it, I’m not really sure if I’m doing it right. With the reversals and the circle closing-in timing and a lot going on on the screen visually, it’s a bit much all at once. TBF, it’d probably make sense if I spend more time poking at it; those were my initial impressions.

Thanks for trying to help me, btw, with your comment; always appreciated.

colderr,

Sliders you are supposed to hold until the slider ends, so as soon as it ends, you can let go. Reverse sliders (so the ones that have arrows and go backwards) you hold the same way and keep holding when it hits the arrow and goes back to the beginning, then you can let go.

Starting off, it is a lot to focus on, but you do get more and more comfortable with it the more you play. It’s the first game where I’ve really seen that play more to get better, because theory doesn’t help much.

If you do keep on playing, then more power to you. Top players are insane, so I’d recommend looking at someone like mrekk or Ninerik on Youtube. If you don’t then at least you tried it.

MysticKetchup, do games w Figured I'd join in sharing what I'm playing- my platinum team ☺️
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What’s the rom hack? Gen 4 is one of the few Pokemon gens I haven’t played and I’ve wanted to do it with a Rom hack that fixes some of the old issues with it

Snowpix,
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Renegade Platinum’s the way to go. There’s much more pokemon variety, the trainers are stronger and smarter, and there’s plenty of QOL fixes that make it feel more modern.

Cris_Color,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

The ROM hack I’m playing is just following platinum. I don’t remember what quality of life changes there are, but it adds your Pokémon waking behind you like in HG SS

This is my first play through, so I wanted something focused on quality of life stuff, or that could be described as vanilla+

pokehacking.com/fangames/following-platinum/

(Having looked at the link now I don’t think it adds any quality of life stuff, and I just REALLY wanted my Pokémon to follow me. I think renegade might have a version based on following platinum though? It makes more changes like difficulty though)

Cris_Color, (edited )
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Hey, I was researching my options for gen 5 and found this very helpful thread (though I don’t know that it’s entirely complete):

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/1chx77r/compilation_of_vanilla_quality_of_life_qol_hacks/

and this option from the thread, which is compatible with following platinum if you wanted quality of life, plus your pokemon following you :) (frankly I really wish I had played this instead 😅)

https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/platinumqol-now-compatible-with-following-platinum.465574/

and following platinum https://pokehacking.com/fangames/following-platinum/

I think I was mistaken that renegade is compatible with following platinum, here’s it’s page if you’re interested in something that makes more changes and adjusts the difficulty curve :)

https://projectpokemon.org/home/forums/topic/52294-pok%C3%A9mon-renegade-platinum/

MysticKetchup,
@MysticKetchup@lemmy.world avatar

Nice! Yeah I don’t mind a modest difficulty increase but some of the romhacks really don’t play well without super optimized teams of competitive mons

Cris_Color,
@Cris_Color@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah thats very fair. My impression is that Draynos hacks are usually not brutal, but there’s no version that doesn’t patch difficulty so if you like the challenges you either play with higher difficulty or you pick a different patch

I want more vanilla+, so I’m usually a tad bummed about that, but people regard his hacks really highly, even if theyre less what I’m looking for :)

I hope you find the right one for you! ☺️

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