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Shettyhengst, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

Fallout 2. That Game has the Opposite of a Tutorial. It does Not explain anything and throws you immediately into a Dungeon where you are supposed to solve it with specific skills. Can be really annoying If you have the wrong skills. It was literally tacked onto the Game because the Publisher demanded it. Love the Game, but the Temple of Trials ist one of the worst Things in the entire Series.

Fourth,
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That aspect of the game actually ended multiple playthroughs for me where I just could not stomach it. I rolled the character, I got set up to play, I got halfway through the Temple of Trials, and I said no actually I want to do something else. 👎

AdellcomdoisL, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th

While everyone has been talking about Baldur’s Gate 3, I decided to cave in and started a replay of Divinity: Original Sin 2. Well, yea, I got a ten years old PC and a Ps4!

Still, what an excellent game. The easy mode goes well since the battlefields are chaotic, there’s not a single combat that I go through that doesn’t involve 1)Setting everything on fire 2)Shocking a large portion of the characters 3)Poisoning a large portion of the characters 4)Mixing all that because elemental interaction exists (Poison + Fire makes NECROFIRE which is a harsh and often deadly punishment)

But the questing and adventuring still stands out well. This is a game that has a somewhat large map, but unlike most open world fillers its a dense map. Every corner has a named NPC with a little trouble to solve, and there’s no “random cave with nameless mobs” to venture into; Every single place you can go has a little lore, a little story, something important that makes the world feel alive.

Its no surprise Larian has been taking the world by storm lately, and I’m glad this has aged so well so folks can try an original setting whenever the BG3 hype cools down.

Poopfeast420,

I’m playing BG3 right now, and am thinking about giving D:OS2 another shot. I played it around release and got off the first island, but stopped after that. Although, maybe I should wait a bit more, so I don’t get burned out so soon on this type of game.

CrateDane,

While everyone has been talking about Baldur’s Gate 3, I decided to cave in and started a replay of Divinity: Original Sin 2. Well, yea, I got a ten years old PC and a Ps4!

I’m sure your PC could run Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2… 😉

AdellcomdoisL,

I would not wish Advanced D&D THAC0 mechanics on my worst enemy

GolGolarion,

all these years later and i still cant fathom why they went with an inverted dc scale

CrateDane,

Inherited from naval wargaming, where it came about because first rate ships of the line had better armor than second rate etc. so armor class scaled inversely. That meant THAC0 was the best way to figure out what you needed to roll to get a hit.

It’s also not functionally that complicated (your THAC0 minus target AC), just weird and confusing if you try to understand why it works that way.

GolGolarion,

I can kind of get that, if they kept 1 as the hard cap on AC. But they have 0th rate as the reference point, and then bizarre instances of negative AC. A minus third rate ship reads like a dingier third rate ship, not better than a first class ship.

ampersandrew,
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I only had to Google it like 7 times to get it straight.

jordanlund, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?
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Sunset Overdrive.

Tutorial: Go from point A to point B.

Dies.
Dies.
Dies.

Failed to tell you the game operates under “ground is lava” rules. You are to go from point A to point B without touching the ground.

Kolanaki, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?
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So many I can’t even narrow down a specific one. Many new titles have tutorials that go over generic bullshit like how to move and aim and then don’t tell you how to do anything that’s actually unique to the game itself. I hate that shit.

Really hate having a tutorial objective of “put the goober in the jibjab” but then it doesn’t explain what the fuck either of those things are, and it’s not obvious by just looking at the situation.

Oh, The Ascent did this. Tells you to hack something early on; does not tell you how this is achieved. Everything up to that point was walk up to thing and press A/X. To hack you have to HOLD A/X. But it doesn’t say that. I had to look it up online. Which is stupid.

Dark Souls also. But… It’s hard to be mad at that one, since being vague is literally purposeful game design with those. 🤷🏻‍♂️

reric88, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th
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I am just now playing The Stanley Parable on Switch and am having a great time with it. I’m not a PC gamer, and rarely a console gamer, so I missed when it first came out.

I have recently finished Hollow Knight, Deaths Door and Fire watch.

Hollow Knight was great, and I was pretty sad when I finished it.

Deaths Door is really good, but it felt a little lacking of content to me. But it’s a small game and is a good introduction to more complicated games in similar genres.

I liked Firewatch, but I remember being disappointed by it for some reason. I can’t remember why exactly.

Chronic_AllTheThings,

I have recently finished Hollow Knight

Did you finish it finish it? Have you battled The Radiance? (9000 times lol)

reric88,
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Well… I didn’t finish it finish it. I didn’t:

  • Complete the path of pain
  • Beat Nightmare Grim
  • Complete the Pantheons.

I felt like I was missing out on other games, so I opted to shelve Hollow Knight. I was spending so much time trying to complete the path of pain and defeat nightmare grim, I didn’t even want to attempt the Pantheons. I instead just moved on, lol.

I think I was at 107% completion or something

Chronic_AllTheThings, (edited )

Oof, I couldn’t get through the Pantheons, they’re just nuts.

potatobro, do games w I accidentally bought a game while my VPN was on

Wut? Why would you be fucked? I buy games with my VPN on all the time

HawlSera,

Arent you not allowed to buy games if Steam thinks you’re somewhere you aren’t?

Sylver,

You’re also not allowed to cross the street outside of a crosswalk

bighi,

I don’t know if you’re kidding, but that would be a very weird law.

violetgreendev,

It’s called jaywalking - illegal in Australian cities actually.

BeHappy,

Illegal in the USA, too. It is a rarely enforced law.

Floufym,
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This is so weird to me. In Belgium, if there is no crosswalk in 20meters, you can cross (and cars a supposed to stop to let you go).

What do you do if there is non ? You take your car to cross the street ? Or everything is well done and you have a crosswalk every few meters on every road ?

qwrty,

Oh, we don’t walk. We drive everywhere, even if our destination is in the same neighborhood.

Rough_N_Ready,

In the US it’s only illegal if there is a crosswalk and you don’t use it. If there is no crosswalk, then it’s not jaywalking.

DeusHircus,

Also in US, and I suspect many other countries

bighi,

I don’t know if something that oppressive is going to be true in many countries.

Maybe only in oppressive countries like China and the US, and a few others.

DeusHircus,

It varies state to state but in my experience it’s a single digit dollar amount fine and that’s it. Only in places that have adequate crosswalks everywhere and rarely enforced unless there’s been chronic pedestrian issues. In US, pedestrians always have right of way. Jaywalking laws are there as a deterrent to protect pedestrians as much as drivers. About the only place I’ve seen jaywalking laws enforced are university campuses. You’ve got throngs of young adults, on their own for the first time, and walking around everywhere in busy urban environments

potatobro,

I’ve never heard of that. Pretty sure even if they cared about that for some reason, there would be nothing they could do about it. What are they gonna do, take you to court? They can’t prove you weren’t in the Netherlands.

electrogamerman,

That would be very easy to proof actually (Not that I think Op did anything wrong or that steam would care)

tomi000,

How would it be easy? Please elaborate how steam would go about investigating OPs private life around the day of purchase and gather actual proof of them not going to the netherlands.

Appoxo,
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The reason you set a steam shop location. If it’s longer term it may be beneficial to change the region but usually you can let it be whereever you want.

bighi, do games w I am LOVING Baldurs Gate 3

Late to the party? Wasn’t the game released a few days ago?

HawlSera, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

The original Runescape for sure

Chronic_AllTheThings, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th

Same old same old. I only have a Switch, so mostly MarioKart while my bones disintegrate waiting for Silksong and Hades II.

If anyone has any metroidvania rec’s, I’m all ears. Already played both Ori games, HK, HAAK, Unbound. Haven’t found much else in the Nintendo Shop that appeals to me.

ampersandrew,
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If you're interested in a roguelike metroidvania, I'd highly recommend A Robot Named Fight. There's also the Batman Arkham collection that just came out on Switch, and the first game, Asylum, is a 3D metroidvania.

CorrodedCranium, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th
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The OG Splinter Cell. I modded my original Xbox not top long ago and am looking to play games on it so it wasn’t a waste so I figured why not give it a try?

I am enjoying it so far but I’m used to playing the new Hitman games where the AI is rather predictable and I can gun my way out of most situations. I just beat the Kalinatek level and feel like I need to finish the game at this point.

I don’t know if I need to play one game after the other to full understand the overall plot or what game I should stop at if I just want to play the best in the series.


Not sure if I’ll play Baldur’s Gate 3 because I own the first two on multiple systems and haven’t beaten them

ampersandrew,
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There is a bit of a continuing story in Splinter Cell, but for the most part, each one is its own story. I'd say I was fairly unimpressed with Pandora Tomorrow and Double Agent, but neither is bad. Conviction is very different from the games before it but still plenty of fun, and Blacklist somehow manages to marry Conviction's gameplay with the classic gameplay of the series in a modern way, but Michael Ironside was battling cancer at the time, so Fisher was unfortunately recast. If you're asking the average person which one is best, most will say Chaos Theory, and then you'll get a contingent of people such as myself who prefer Blacklist, but CT is still great.

As for the old Baldur's Gate games, no better time than now to go through them. I'm inching closer to finishing 2 after beating 1 earlier this month. They're great.

Chozo, do piracy w What's the best piracy for music?

I misread the title and thought you were asking for the best music for piracy. I was gonna suggest Alestorm.

Gnorv, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th

I started Convergence. It is pretty entertaining and also somewhat challenging on highest difficulty.

TheOakTree,

As someone who almost always plays mouse and keyboard on PC, I had a few struggles with Convergence feeling like it was made console-first.

I understand why, but it just makes me want to go play Hollow Knight or something.

Gnorv,

I had the same behaviour, I played everything with mouse and keyboard. Dead Cells, Assassins Creed, Sekiro, Dark Souls, etc. Then with Elden Ring I gave the controller a try just to see how it is, and it worked flawlessly. I think it is just about with what you to a game first.

TheOakTree,

Elden Ring m&k was a million times better of an experience than original Dark Souls on m&k. What a nightmare.

I think I just expect metroidvanias to feel snappy and robust, and Convergence on m&k did not live up to that standard.

AdellcomdoisL, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

Warframe explains very little of its systems, and what it explains is generally poorly done. Upgrading and optimizing your abilities, acquiring proper mods and frames, how the levelling system actually works, generally anything that isn’t “shoot at enemy until it dies” needs to be taught by another player or read upon.

loopgru,

Came here to say this. The new player experience is an awesome upgrade in terms of getting people into the world and narrative, but you're still thrown into an ocean of systems and content without a map. If you're not following a guide or piecing things together from the wiki it's very easy to get totally overwhelmed.

Rozauhtuno, (edited ) do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?
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I can’t believe no one said Crusader Kings 2 nor Dwarf Fortress yet. The tutorial in CK II is so bad, it somehow makes thing more confusing, it is much better to just start a game in an easy location like Ireland and learn the game by yourself.

Dwarf Fortress has a tutorial nowadays, but I started playing it many years ago when you had no choice but to alt-tab to the wiki and figure out things on your own.

Herbstzeitlose,

I think when I first played CK2 there was no tutorial.

smeg,

When I first played CK2 I had a revolt before the tutorial had taught me how to fight a war.

CrateDane,

The tutorial in CK II is so bad

You can’t just talk that way about Ireland.

koreth, (edited ) do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

Tunic, but that was kind of the point.

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