Cue the BUT STEAMS MONOPOLY idiots that completely ignore that Valve does nothing to stop anyone from competing with them, its just that anyone who has tried (outside GOG) has only produced anti consumer garbage
People who understand nuance exists in this world. Steams DRM is a VERY RARE check to the internet that you own the game, and its an OPTIONAL thing that developers can choose. EA UBI and EPIC’s versions of DRM is FAR WORSE, and if you really want to be extreme in your hatred of even reasonable level DRM, GOG exists
Steams DRM is a VERY REASONABLE compromise between the interests of the devs and the consumer not wanting to be unfairly punished/annoyed. Steams DRM has literally NEVER caused me a headache aside from ONCE when steam was super new, its a non issue at this point
Yeah, and when I show up to work, regardless of how much I like what I do or my coworkers, I expect to be paid for it, your point is? They created a form of DRM that is the least obtrusive out there, made it optional, and they gave us one of the best store fronts out there as compensation for it. Again, Ubi, EA, and Epic’s DRM is FAR WORSE.
I've missed this thread for a few weeks already (as in, I didn't see it). Completed Disco Elysium twice since then, amazing game! Very sad that there's not going to be a sequel; the world is fascinating,, as is the style of gameplay.
I never understood this one. All of those platforms, be it steam, epic,. Ubisofts defunct thing or EAs even more defunct thing, are embedded browsers with a more or less obnoxious skin we all use almost exclusively to click "buy now". All of them are overloaded with crappy, half-baked "features" nobody gives a flying toss about.
So why the heck do so many people spend the limited energy they have available to live their lives on "boycotts" and endless rants about how a game not on steam is basically unplayable for some reason.
If this game would bring you joy (which I doubt since it's Ubisoft we are talking about, but that's another matter), why deny yourself that joy because the launcher you interact with for literally less than a minute is shittier than your usual one?
If the launcher itself was of any importance to you, you'd use playnite or something and just be done with it all.
Don't whip this up to some exclusivity debate. It's not. Imagine if this was some tangible product. Would you really not buy the thing you'd really like to have just because it's sold at a store where the shelves are crap? Because that's essentially what you're doing.
This “debate” has been going on for ages now. They don’t actually mind exclusivity. They’re just mad it’s not on the launcher they use. None of them care when it’s exclusively on Steam.
Why the fuck should I care about the damn launcher?
DRM-heavy launchers have a history of spying on PC user activity, and of leading to malware infections. All well-known launchers, today, are DRM-heavy. (I would love tips on exceptions to this!)
DRM tries to control your PC remotely. There isn’t, and never will be, a safe way to do that without increasing the risks of outside malware attacks succeeding against you and your PC. In most cases, the risk increase is quite high.
Game launchers provide a trade-off between:
ease of installation and networking Vs
risk of malware infections
Each additional launcher brings a lot more risk, and slightly less convenience.
If it was just about the convenience, I agree - who cares.
Many of us have lost entire digital game catalogs, or had to rebuild our gaming rig, or both, due to a remotely hacked game installer/service/launcher. So many of us are incredibly bullish against adding one more installer/service/launcher to our gaming rig.
So then…you’re just admitting that you’re fine with exclusivity once Steam is where it’s exclusive to.
Nobody’s forcing any developers to be on any platform, and let’s not pretend you actually care about a platform offering a deal to devs for exclusivity. Those same devs are free to say no. But in that same line, Steam gets exclusive games for free. You’re fine with Valve exclusivity that doesn’t pay the devs but hate anyone else getting exclusivity although it does pay them? Interesting.
Lol. That’s a lot of words you’re putting in my mouth.
Steam offers no incentives for exclusivity. Others do. Devs choose to launch on steam and there’s nothing stopping them from launching elsewhere. Look at palworld: gamepass and steam and you know they got paid for gamepass.
Devs use steam because it’s where the people are. Steam has done nothing to try to be anticompetitive to other stores. Unlike said stores.
I put nothing in your mouth. Actually, quote the words I’m putting in your mouth and explain how. I merely showed the reality of words you typed. If Palworld was available exclusively on Steam would you care? If any other game you care about and wanted to play was exclusively on Steam, would there be a post or comment complaining about it?
Offering financial incentives isn’t the forcing anyone. You’re fine with Steam getting exclusives, so this has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of exclusives. Devs aren’t forced to take any incentives if they don’t want it.
But now that you mentioned it:
Devs use steam because it’s where the people are.
This is an incentive. Steam doesn’t offer money because they have pretty much a monopoly. And you guys will only buy from Steam, reinforcing it. You know you all of these stores are essentially just where you buy it right? I don’t even use EGS to launch games. It’s not some “you only get to pick one” kinda bullshit.
Look at palworld: gamepass and steam and you know they got paid for gamepass.
Yeah, because Game Pass isn’t looking to take on Steam. Game pass is a subscription service.
If Palworld was available exclusively on Steam would you care?
No, because that would be the dev’s choice. It’s also the dev’s choice to take a bribe from Epic and such, but Valve does nothing extra to encourage exclusivity.
If any other game you care about and wanted to play was exclusively on Steam, would there be a post or comment complaining about it?
People have and still do complain when games aren’t on GoG. Not as much anymore but it happened.
Offering financial incentives isn’t the forcing anyone
OK, we’re done. You don’t understand or acknowledge financial coercion so this is going nowhere. Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye.
'tis a shame you couldn’t say what words I’d put in your mouth.
No, because that would be the dev’s choice.
That “because” isn’t actually telling the reason. You’d be fine with it, because it’s on Steam. Any kind of exclusivity is also the devs choice, and you obviously have a problem when they choose to be exclusive to a platform you don’t use.
but Valve does nothing extra to encourage exclusivity.
Apart from having the most market share, that you yourself already admitted.
People have and still do complain when games aren’t on GoG.
I never asked about anybody else. I asked about you. Or should I take it you never complained when games aren’t also on GoG?
OK, we’re done. You don’t understand or acknowledge financial coercion so this is going nowhere. Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye.
Oh, damn, imagine thinking that once there’s money on the table they must take it, and then at the same time, not understanding the value of a near monopoly. Steam is literally leveraging the large amount of people that will buy the game if it’s on Steam. I even acknowledged it. Me saying that they don’t have to take it is quite literally acknowledging it. But ok, byyyyyyyyyyyyyye.
"prefering" steam is completely understandable. Boycotting a game and being disappointed and angry because it's not on steam isn't. To me at least. Regarding steam link: if you have an Nvidia graphics card, check out Moonlight!
Steam link doesn’t work for external games added into your steam library? I’m new to steam in general, but it seems weird that they’d let you add a game and not use them with link.
Steam link doesn’t work for external games added into your steam library?
Yes it does. I dunno about the hardware unit, but the android app alone works with everything you have on Steam; even the non-Steam games. Just fired up The Outer Worlds Spacer Choice edition given away on EGS some weeks back added to Steam as a non-Steam game through Steam Link on my phone.
It even straight up streams your desktop, so you can launch games not even running through Steam.
I'm on Linux and Valve and Itch are the only ones with first class Linux support. Everyone else you have to dick around with running their launchers through wine or lose features.
I don't mind that epic, etc. exist; I mind the exclusives. When Epic first launched, they didn't have payment processors in a number of countries so there was literally no way to legally play the games for people; that's super shitty.
Diablo 4: Season 2 - Completed the Season Journey thanks to some nice randoms hanging out outside of Duriel's dungeon. That is one thing that I do like about playing D4, there's always someone hanging around somewhere to help you out. And if the end of the first two seasons are anything to go by, I'll definitely be needing those someones towards the end of every season.
Diablo 3: Season 30 - Finished Chapter 1-3. Working on Chapter 4.
Firewatch - I picked up this game on GamePass because I needed a little break before I started a new game plus run of Alan Wake 2 and wanted something that wouldn't take me more than one night. I knew going into this game that it was going to be "solving" a mystery, but I did not expect it to play out the way it did, or it to be such a story driven game. Even starting out in the first 10ish minutes I didn't expect the game to go in the direction that it did. It was a bit of a slow burn (wink wink nudge nudge), but it was a lot of fun, especially since it's one of those games where you come up with a theory of what's going on and then second guess yourself over and over. Plus the whole time I was walking around from objective to objective, I kept having the thought of how cool it would be to just roam around without a looming goal hanging over my head, and lo and behold, after I finished the game, a free roam setting was unlocked.
Alan Wake 2 - Gave in and started a new game plus. This game has got me in a chokehold right now, even with its many, many problems that keep popping up. Kind of wish some more was changed based on the events of the first playthrough, and I'm not a big fan of how they treated ng+ inventory or some gameplay decisions that Remedy made, but I'm still having fun.
That is one thing that I do like about playing D4, there's always someone hanging around somewhere to help you out.
When I started, I was super disappointed, because the world was basically empty, except for towns and some of the events. I was hoping it's because I started so late, and I was kinda right. However on the higher difficulties, there are a bunch of people at the different hot spots all over the world, which gives me hope for the new season, that it's not just going to be empty 90% of the time.
Respeccing doesn’t drop your level and I’m hoping with all the returners and new players the DLC brings that I can sunbro low level content like Stormveil and the early caves again.
After my fill of that I’ll level up to whatever content the DLC is geared to.
Plus this will give me a lvl 1 backup with most gear and spells for build testing.
Dave the Diver! It looks so goofy but give it a shot. It’s got hilarious cutscenes, and a really well executed blend of roguelike, restaurant game, resource management, and story RPG.
About 40% through Hogwarts Legacy at the moment. It’s been great so far, very impressive especially coming from the old HP games on PC. Fixed up some performance issues with the Ascendio mod, and all works fairly well on my (ancient, circa 2014) rig.
Built to showcase their specific VR hardware. That they built after getting burned from multiple VR companies who abused Valves good will of providing access to their patent protected VR tech for free, to help accelerate the VR industry.
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