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RightHandOfIkaros, do games w Can we appreciate how horny everyone is for Mario in TTYD?

I feel like this is entirely a localizer-added thing, and the original Japanese version was very different. I could be wrong of course, but this is just my gut feeling considering the time TYD released (and honestly it isn’t too much better nowadays).

Now, people can argue whether drastic changes like that are good or bad (I would say it is a massive “it depends”), but personally I would really prefer localizers stick to something as accurate to the original as possible while still being understandable in the target culture, and then include an altered or changed version as an option.

Like being able to choose between the ADV or Netflix dub for Evangelion.

I don’t mind if someone wants to add their own spin or whatever, as long as that doesn’t become the singular defined version for an entire region as is all too common. The original creators had a vision, and I want to see that vision, not the one a localizer is adding on that the original creators didn’t have.

For example, in a culture that doesnt have bread cakes, but they do have rice cakes, I would want a localizer to say characters ate “a food similar to rice cakes” or “an exotic food.” As an absolute last resort “a rice cake” is okay, but certainly not “the characters ate a big feast of pork and jelly donoughts.”

hellerphant,

I never played the Japanese version, but I live in Japan and I have worked with various game localization companies. It’s a pretty fine line on how they handle these kinds of translations, and it is often the developers who give the direction.

A good localization firm will take the original intent, and then culturalize it for the target market to make sure it has the same intended “vibe” rather than an actual 1:1 translation. The first company I worked at here did the localization for Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice. They were using a lot of old Japanese in that, and they specifically DID want us to get as close to 1:1 as possible, while ensuring that the intent was still very clear. Another game that I cannot say was more free saying “please make sure that the jokes land with the US”, and quite a bit of the actual dialog was re-written, but once again, to match the vibe and intent that the developer was searching.

Each project is different. Each player is different. You aren’t wrong for your wants here, but developers aren’t wrong for trying to make something be more culturally appropriate for their target market, often which will sell more copies than their local market.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Yeah, that’s kinda what I mean. I think we agree. It’s just that recently there has been more attention on more… questionable… changes that localizers have been making to entertainment media, some I agree with and some I don’t.

In the 80s and 90s, it was common for overseas versions to change names to be more Western sounding. Personally, I don’t mind this kind of change. It usually doesn’t effect the overall story much, but sometimes a character might have an exotic sounding name in the Japanese version, I would hope that they also have a similarly exotic sounding name. However, it was also common for the entire story to be altered pretty drastically, even with the entertainment itself being chopped up into something entirely different. Which I don’t appreciate. I want the foreign media because it is different and from a different culture, changing it to match my own culture defeats the point of me wanting to engage with it.

Sometimes though, entire conversations are completely removed or changed entirely from their original versions. I mean, completely different, the difference between a character saying “I love you” and “You will always be my dearest friend.” I believe the Fire Emblem series (which I haven’t played very much so I have only minimal experience with) has had a few of these kinds of changes. In those cases, I believe that is a malicious change the developers may not have known about or may not have fully understood when they approved or signed off on the localization. Or the localization agency may have either thought they had more creative license than they actually had or deceived the original creators to push their own version instead.

Jokes are a bit different IMO, since humor is pretty different between cultures. Jokes in entertainment often rely on an understanding of the local pop-culture, so naturally jokes or geographical/historical references may need to change. It is understandable in those cases.

SalamenceFury, do games w Can we appreciate how horny everyone is for Mario in TTYD?
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

God damn that rat wants the pipe huh.

dylanmorgan, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

It confused me at 34.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

1,2 shipped with the original console. 3 was added later.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/885030f1-5334-4dd5-ad16-2dbb0ba5bfa0.jpeg

nutbutter, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21

Although, I’m all in for more and more FOSS programs, but why is there a need to create a new PS2 emulator, when PCSX2 is almost perfect?

mysticpickle,

Might be a passion or learning project they felt like sharing. Who knows? Either way there’s always room for improvement and more options is good!

ampersandrew, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21
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Congrats on the cabin! Is that more of a home or a getaway?

Also, I’m one of those guys who grew up on Lego Island. I can’t say I’d want to revisit it for anything other than a history lesson, but it was in fact important to a lot of us.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

Just an escape!

I’ll keep my apartment in the city, of course, but I like the idea of having somewhere that I will perhaps be less inclined to work, or stay in a chair/sofa, and instead keep running wild. That’s the hope, anyway!

Dremor, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #21
@Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

Good read, as always. The link to lego island is broken, on my end at least (it redirects to LW).

For copyright reasons I’d rather it be the link to the decompiled/ported source code rather than directly to the game itself. I doubt they got the 3d models IP owner autorisation to use them, thus falling into the no linking to piracy rule.

PerfectDark,
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The game was deemed abandonware years ago now, featuring both on the site myabandonware and on archive.org. There’s no complaints from LEGO itself as a brand since being shared there, but I’ll just remove the link entirely for you since you’re worried!

Dremor,
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Honesty I’d agree that it should be allowed, but the EU has a much more strict rules on fair use than most countries has. And as LW is hosted in the EU, that’s the rule we have to follow.

But the jurisprudence made it clear that source code is considered as ok as soon as it does not contain copyrighted materials (original 3d models, music, etc). That why I’d prefer to link directly to the source code.

And if they have a direct link to the playable version of that game on said repository, that’s not our problem anymore 😅.

PerfectDark,
@PerfectDark@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, don’t worry! Better safe than sorry, this way at least if people reading are curious and want to find it (and play!) they can search it up, I’d assume. No problems!!!

Apeman42, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20
@Apeman42@lemmy.world avatar

I still hate pressing the sticks for most anything. First thing I do in most games on my steam deck is remap them to the back paddle buttons.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I hate when the default controls have duck toggled on R3 but then don’t have anything on two of the 4 face buttons. Crouch should be on Circle/B if you’re not using that button for anything else.

FreeAZ, (edited )

No…

The entire reason it’s like that is so you can crouch and aim at the same time, it’s almost objectively better, as long as you don’t accidently press it.

The best control schemes are the ones that bind any action that would be useful to do while still controlling the camera to the back buttons or the sticks.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

I’m talking about a toggle tho. It’s not going to be accidentally toggled if its not on the stick, and the stick press is usually really sensitive. I can also hit the far right face button with the first knuckle of my thumb, while still having the end of my thumb moving stick.

If there was no toggle crouch in the theoretical game, then I would agree with you.

FreeAZ,

I prefer toggle crouch and I still much prefer it on the right stick. Allows you to spam crouch and aim at the same time, but do you. I just think it’s objectively better and hate when any action I would use while controlling the camera is on a face button.

My main point is there is a genuine reason it’s mapped to the stick by default, I would be annoyed if it was on the face buttons by default.

Kolanaki,
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I think we can both agree that not being able to make any button do any thing is the best way to go about it. I hate being limited to a single scheme, or even just 2 or 3 and not being able to 100℅ fully customize them.

FreeAZ,

Yes.

MrScottyTay,

Stick buttons should always be toggles in my opinion. Fuck having to keep that pressed in while moving it around.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

What game does that? Any game I’ve ever played that used them for crouch was press for crouch, press and hold for a half second to go prone.

MrScottyTay,

Loads of games and if not by default it’s an option in the menu. Not so games have prone either

Ziglin,

But it’s really hard to use the joystick when you’re putting so much force into keeping it pressed.

FreeAZ,

Most people use toggle crouch, I just click it once and that’s it.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Breath of the wild is the worst. Crouch, as a toggle control, on L3.

calcopiritus,

Would be way worse to be hold. You know what I hate more than pressing L/R34? Holding them

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

That was the industry standard for a long time and it still pops up sporadically.

ShinkanTrain, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

The only time a quick-time event was ever good is when God of War 3 made you press those

buycurious,

Poseidon in shambles

JovialSodium, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

7 year old me also didn’t know about the L3 and R3 buttons. But this was the controller I had at the time so perhaps reasonable.

https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/ffb49031-fc72-4677-98b5-ebac9ba6b141.png

SidewaysHighways,

big if true

wreckedcarzz,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

It’s actually quite small

lunarul,
dubyakay,
bampop,
@bampop@lemmy.world avatar

Hell yeah. A damn fine joystick, until the leaf switches break

Atherel,

They broke on WinterGames…

VoteNixon2016,

Unironically, the NES controller and game boy advance controls are still some of my favorites

samus12345,
@samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

These were mine:

https://atariage.com/5200/images/controllers/con_Atari5200.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WmIAAOSw2EFmKoXr/s-l400.png

The controller that came with the Atari 5200 was complete ass. That third-party one was much, much better.

Lyra_Lycan, do gaming w Honestly, it confused me at like 20

You only get to know if you’ve looked at the game manuals of old, and seen them annotated. I still refer to them as left/right stick in

cRazi_man,

Oh yeah, push that stick right in.

victorz,

Giggety

Ziglin,

Don’t they have it the manual for the console too?

I’ve also seen the input symbol showing a stick being pressed down sometimes.

simple, do games w Overwatch 2 slaps

OW2 got way better in the past year that I'd say it's a good f2p game, it deserved all the bashing on launch but once they went back on locking heroes and actually started adding new content it's worth a play. Lemmy hates live service though so nobody is going to let you say it out loud without getting mass downvoted.

Eyck_of_denesle,

Yea I noticed. I’m young so even if I want to play co op games, my friends won’t join cause you just like instant stress relief fighting games ig.

Yermaw, do games w Overwatch 2 slaps

I really wish there were custom games where they just play like quick play. I do believe its one of the best games out if not for the players. You either meet Sweaty Eddie who’s on the mic telling you to kill yourself because he thinks youre not winning hard enough, or the guy who thinks the game is to stand there and spam “hello” and the dance emote at the enemy.

I very very rarely get a game where people are just playing the game and enjoying themselves.

rigatti,
@rigatti@lemmy.world avatar

You wish there were queues for the custom games like there is for quick play? Trying to understand your comment here.

Yermaw,

Like when you look at the list of custom games, instead of just being weird and wonderful game modes and “chill no kill VC 18+” there was also “regular overwatch being played by regular people”

Eyck_of_denesle,

Never faced this problem because I play i south east asian servers. No one ever comms. Which makes ot a little boring for me as I come from Valorant where players talk a lot about strategy compared to ow2. But I’m getting used to it.

lolola, do gaming w Try again
@lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Now do all those fire emblem characters

RickyRigatoni, do gaming w Try again
@RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com avatar

HOMESTUCK!

chloyster, do gaming w Playdate Season 2

I’m enjoying it! Long puppy is def my favorite so far. I was really excited for Shadow gate and while it is a very cool project idk if the game is really for me

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