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rafoix, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders

I wonder if GPU/motherboard manufacturers are not leaving money on the table by not selling an all-in-one gaming motherboard like the one in the Steam Machine.

Built-in GPU and VRAM with the CPU, RAM and cooling optional.

4am,

Why would anyone who’s in the market for a by-itself motherboard ever want something you can get as a modular piece as a built-in to another expensive piece?

Besides, if you want everything soldered on you can just buy a laptop motherboard.

Or a Mac

rafoix,

For the same reason there’s other options. Having options alone is more than enough reason.

A motherboard with a built-in GPU has obvious price, cooling design and size advantages.

The only things I suggest to be soldered are the GPU and the VRAM since GPUs are extremely sensitive to their memory setup. CPUs can use off-the-shelf stuff without issue.

ms_lane,

The niche is already filled by NUC sized PCs from China.

rafoix,

Where would one be able to see their stock? All I seem to find are $1500 PCs.

punkibas,

Try at minisforum or beelink

rafoix, (edited )

I will, thanks.

Edit

Those are just mini APU based PCs meant for office work. Not really compact gaming PCs with integrated GPUs.

echodot,

For the same reason that people are interested in the steam machine. It’s nice to be able to just throw some money at people and get a complete product. I can see businesses getting these things if they need a moderately powerful GPU for business reasons. Unless valve go utterly mad on the pricing here, it’s going to be much better value for money than a Mac mini, and it’ll have better compatibility with existing software as well.

rafoix,

“I’m not interested in that product. It is impossible for someone to be interested in that product.”

olafurp,

On the steam hardware page it says the CPU and GPU are discrete although also “semi-custom” which I think means it’s not Gigabyte and has some cooling features that are tailored to the form factor.

mnemonicmonkeys,

Built-in GPU and VRAM with the CPU, RAM and cooling optional.

I don’t think that’d be a wise idea. After watching Valve interviews, it’s clear that they designed the entire system around a specific max TDP. Apparently they figured out the TDP, picked a fan to move it, then designed the rest of the cooling system based on that.

If you start swapping out different CPU’s that’ll change the TDP and very quickly become a problem. Plus, the CPU is soldered to the board. Having a socket to allow for swapping would require a redesign of the cooling to account for the increased height

rafoix,

Yeah, it would probably be a better idea for AMD to sell variants of the APUs being used in the current generation of Xbox and PlayStation.

My guess is that those chips are under exclusivity contracts and/or they don’t want to undercut their lucrative discrete GPU and CPU market.

Why sell one efficient product when you can sell two more expensive ones?

FreeBooteR69, do games w Valve's new hardware will NOT be loss leaders
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Yeah they said they are pricing the Steam Machine at PC market prices, but they do having to contend with reality. There are consoles on the market that are more powerful at a lower price point, it will dampen their sales for sure. I mean most pcgamers probably have more powerful hardware already, what is the incentive? Sure small form factor, but is it worth a premium price to the average pcgamer? Console peasants will turn their noses up at it, so who are they marketing to?

I can see the Steam Frames selling better due to it being a fully untethered VRPC headset that can play more than just VR games. Not to mention you can stream from a more powerful PC to the frames making the battery last much longer and better gfx fidelity.

The Steam Controller has to contend with a flooded market of users used to using one type of controller, so a little bit of an uphill battle there too.

xxd,
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I mean most pcgamers probably have more powerful hardware already

According to Valve, it should outperform or match 70% of current PCs owned by gamers. So while not crazy powerful, it might be an affordable (hopefully) upgrade for some more low spec gamers.

SmackemWittadic, do games w Day 486 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
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I like your posts on the games you’re playing Atticus. And you’re 100% right, people have become much more willing to show how shitty they are. I think they’re more willing because they see how people can still succeed while openly being shitty people, so they no longer assume that being inhuman impedes their personal success.

The only positive I can think of is that it least this makes shitty people easier to point out. It doesn’t make them easier to avoid because we’re unfortunately all bound to cross paths with them.

MyNameIsAtticus,
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Some of them I wonder if they got burned trying to be good people once and then just let that sour all their opinions. I suppose that’s a bit of an edgy “all it takes is one bad day” take, but it is something I’ve wondered.

I do agree a lot with your take though. Shitty and horrible people have realized they can get away with being shitty and horrible. So they don’t hide it. Maybe it’s just the cost of me growing up but it’s disheartening to see it happening with so many people.

As you said, it at least makes it easier to root them out, even if we’re forced to interact with them

unepelle, do astronomy w I made a custom TRMNL plugin to tell me whether it’s worth taking the telescope up!

My person, that is amazing ! Well done

6nk06, do games w Akasa Ai, I need some help here.

You have the wrong paramter buddy.

frongt,

Anyone else read shopId as stupid?

BreadstickNinja,

I read “when I try to buy some gems” as “stupid.”

digredior, do gaming w Don't make me choose!

The meme options should have been B then A

darkreader2636, do games w Gamepad for Linux Gaming?

Logitech’s F310 and F710 still holds up today(and they’re pretty cheap)

jjjalljs, (edited )

I think that’s the one I have. They don’t make them like they used to. The Logitech controller I had in like 2008 lasted for ten years. The new one’s right shoulder button stopped working after like two.

The good news is they honored their warranty and sent me a new one for free.

But then the left joystick stopped going all the way up+left.

But then honored the warranty again! That one is still kicking.

So the lesson is: keep your receipt if you buy Logitech.

Edit: it works fine on Linux (pop!_os) too.

darkreader2636,

Yup mine works like a charm in debian 12 if it’s in the XInput mode

impudentmortal, do games w Gamepad for Linux Gaming?

I love my 8Bitdo Ultimate controller. It’s comfortable to use and holds a decent charge. Having a charging stand is really useful too. If you have multiple non-PC devices, I would recommend getting the Pro version so that you can use Bluetooth. Otherwise, the USB one will work well.

Only other minor negative is that the d-pad is a little mushy so I will occasionally hit the wrong direction accidentally. So not the greatest for fighting games.

If you don’t need the charging stand, there are cheaper USB only controllers too.

Lastly, if you want to try to improve your posture, my family bought some chair restraint straps for my grandma who kept tilting in her chair. The ones I linked aren’t what we got her but they were the cheapest I could find. You may also want to get your eyes checked. Could be the reason you’re leaning forwards so much is because you can’t see as clearly as you think.

atmorous, do games w What's a recent game you've tried playing that isn't worth the hype?

Super Tux Party

I’m sorry but we need something more modern

Axolotl_cpp, do gaming w Look how much I'd need to purchase a fraction of their game time!
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The community servers in the angle: “Let me introduce myself”

HollowNaught, do games w What's a recent game you've tried playing that isn't worth the hype?
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For me, it’s borderlands 2

I thought the gameplay was pretty good, in a “turn your brain off and shoot guys with gradually increasing numbers” kind if way, and I absolutely adored whenever Handsome Jack showed up, but that’s pretty much it

I’ve heard from more than a few sources that the shooting on that game’s peak, but it’s just kind of generic. Outside of Jack, I thought the writing was honestly pretty lacklustre as well, even getting annoying in more than one instance (CATCH A RIIIIIDE FUCK OFF DIPSHIT). The cell-shaded artsyle is quite pretty, I will give it that

At its core, I think it’s just… fine.

mrgoosmoos,

I love that game, spent hundreds of hours in it a while back, and don’t remember fuck all about the story.

it’s a shoot 'em up loot game, and it does a great job of it IMO

absolutely a brainded activity though. it and Bioshock are two different frames of mind when you’re playing them

CaptPretentious,

Did you play it solo or with people? I found the game to be fairly dull solo. It was better with people but the loot system still allowed a lot to be desired especially if you played with greedy people.

HollowNaught,
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I’d played through about half of it myself years ago, and again fully with a friend recently

Sunsofold,

I get tired pretty quick of games where the multiplayer aspect is considered important to enjoying the game. If your friends are with you, you can enjoy literally sitting in the dirt doing basically nothing, just chatting. If your game requires me to also drag friends into it like some cultist, just to make it pass the bar into ‘fun’ then the game is a failure, plain and simple. They don’t get credit for the fun I brought with me to the show I paid for.

1985MustangCobra, do games w What's a recent game you've tried playing that isn't worth the hype?
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statisfactory 1.0: the game is pure eye candy there’s no endgame. factorio is leaps and bounds better

Fizz,
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Yeah I’m a huge factorio player and I so badly wanted to like satisfactory but i can only describe the gameplay as cock and ball torture. For the first 6 hours you are getting kicked in the balls repeatedly by pointless tasks that drag you out of the automation loop. The game is not playable until you unlock the hydro power.

With friends it helped mask the pain.

1985MustangCobra,
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I was not throwing shade in the game as it is pure eye candy, when you unlock the space elevator that was a “holy shit” moment. It does really look good, but factorio the base game, I could get lost in for days, nevermind doing mods like pyanodon.

Fizz,
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Yes I agree it looks so amazing. I love seeing Satisfactory base tours and seeing all the different setups I just cant enjoy playing it myself sadly.

burntbacon,

Oh, damn. I’m like a few dozen hours in and still no hydro power. I must be a slow player. :(

I do, however, have a fifteen gajillion story high factory that I’m building, so there’s that!

Fizz,
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I was playing in a group of 4 and am just spitballing time. Its been a while so maybe it was 12hr+

tigeruppercut,

Spoken like someone who never built a hypertube cannon to fling yourself beyond the boundaries of the map

www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2X3wlvoShg

Butterpaderp, do games w What's a recent game you've tried playing that isn't worth the hype?

Doom dark ages. Just upgraded my computer, and I thought ‘hey, I really liked 2016 and eternal, this’ll be great, and it’s got great reviews’. Nah, the whole game just felt…okay. I might try it again at some point and mess with the difficulty settings, but I felt like I was forcing myself to play it the whole way through.

normalexit,

I’m grinding through this one now. The graphics are great, and the game does feel like a modern doom, but the fun does seem to be lacking.

I’ll finish it, but don’t think I’d replay it.

favoredponcho,

I personally didn’t love the atmosphere of this game. Didn’t feel very doom like. The gameplay mechanics are also different, but I got used to them. The game is turning more and more into a rhythm game like DDR or Guitar hero where you need to do the right attack at the right time depending on what enemy you’re dealing with.

wizardbeard, do games w Game of my childhood, Windows xp, best windows

There’s a full decomp of it that should be W11 compatible, if you want the original experience.

Decomp Github: github.com/k4zmu2a/SpaceCadetPinball

Windows XP game (for the resources the decomp needs): archive.org/details/3-d-pinball-for-windows.-7z

msage, do gaming w A cold take on balancing
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