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1simpletailer, do games w Creative Assembly faces potential layoffs
@1simpletailer@startrek.website avatar

This tracks. There was the whole Hyenas debacle and their flagship series has been struggling. There is no need or desire for yearly Total War releases, they are just a waste of time and money. Warhammer 3 has been bungled from the get-go. There were a few bright spots where it seemed like they could turn it around, but now its seemingly in a downward spiral from which I doubt it will recover. RIP. Easy money blown down the drain by a severely mismanaged company.

mint, do gaming w Hatoful Boyfriend creator: "btw I’ve got no royalty payment for Hatoful Boyfriend from Epic since they acquired Mediatonic back in spring 2021"
!deleted4112 avatar

Hato Moa is a woman to everyone saying he.

BustinJiber, do games w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

Got to love the fact that Hatoful Boyfriend and Fall Guys are made by the same developer. I’m assuming those do not have similar market share. /s

alphacyberranger, do games w WWE 2K22 servers will be discontinued as of January 3rd, 2024
@alphacyberranger@sh.itjust.works avatar

People should boycott buying games from such companies.

kae, do games w WWE 2K22 servers will be discontinued as of January 3rd, 2024

For those curious, the game was released March 11, 2022.

Making the server support just over a year and a half of running the servers before pulling the plug. That’s not something I’d be spending 60USD (which is what it is on sale for today) on.

nanoUFO,
@nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think people who buy these games every year are just built different.

mindbleach,

Thin on bottom, with hard candy up top?

Peaty,

IDK who downvoted this brilliance but they should be ashamed.

mateomaui, do games w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

Seems like it’s even worse than that

https://i.imgur.com/jEXrS5L.jpg

mateomaui, do games w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

Just waiting for people to come in here and bash the dev for still being on Twitter.

woelkchen, do games w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

They seem to claim it was all an innocent mistake:

@EpicPublishing We are looking into this and the team will be reaching out to you directly.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f6ea5b52-5a00-47e5-9a94-d5f08d3feea8.png

sanpo,

Not replying to the dev’s messages and not paying them for 2 years is not an innocent mistake.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Not replying to the dev’s messages and not paying them for 2 years is not an innocent mistake.

Yeah, they only announced to reach out in the future after bad press.

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

Or you can look at it as for what it is rather than some ulterior motive behind it, the emails may have just not been getting to the right person regardless of fault. They’re only replying now because it’s only just now they heard that something was wrong.

Now on the other hand, I generally find it hard to believe that for a business as large as Epic, nobody would follow up on money that’s just been sitting around for over 2 years.

cyberic,
@cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Agreed, all it takes is for one or two employees to leave the company after the handoff and information can be forgotten.

mammut,

Is there more to the thread? It’s just showing me the one message linked, and it doesn’t say anything there about reaching out to Epic / not hearing back.

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

No, there was absolutely no claim that it was an innocent mistake, I'm not sure why that was written there. It's just a promise to look into it, no more no less.

mammut,

So we also don’t know if the developer had reached out to Epic besides this post? Isn’t it possible, then, that this is the first Epic has heard of this as well?

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

Huh. I guess you're one of those that waits for people to tell you things in the comments, makes weird extrapolations about it, and jumps to conclusions rather than just clicking the OP link and absorbing the information there?

How did you even get that from what I said?

And literally the second tweet the dev made was "they've never sent any replies to me" so he's clearly been trying?

I'm usually more understanding of people missing information, but it took you more time and effort to jump to these conclusions and write a totally incorrect defense of Epic than it would have to just see that the info is right there.

mammut, (edited )

I don’t know if it’s because I don’t have an account on Twitter, but literally the only Tweet it shows me is the one linked, where she says that she hasn’t gotten royalties. It says this:

btw I’ve got no royalty payment for Hatoful Boyfriend from Epic since they acquired Mediatonic back in spring 2021. I don’t think the sales have been zero for two years?🤔

I noticed people in the comments saying that Epic didn’t respond to her, but I didn’t understand why people were saying that – from the only Tweet I can see, shown above, there’s nothing saying that she reached out to / didn’t get a response from Epic.

So, I asked here in this thread if there are more Tweets, thinking that there must be more but Twitter just doesn’t show them to me. Because otherwise it makes no sense to assume that she reached out to Epic / didn’t get a response, based just on the Tweet linked. So, I posted,

Is there more to the thread? It’s just showing me the one message linked, and it doesn’t say anything there about reaching out to Epic / not hearing back.

Then I got a reply, from you, that opened with “No.” I read that as you saying that aren’t any more Tweets, and so I asked why everyone was assuming she’d reached out to Epic / hadn’t gotten a response. Because that’s not a logical assumption to make based on the text contained in the single Tweet linked here.

Now you’re telling me there are more Tweets. I still cannot see them and do not know what they say, though, which is why I was asking in the first place.

(Edit: I see there is now an image of the thread in this post. That was not there when I asked the initial question about if there were most posts.)

Aux,

Why not? Dev’s email might have ended up in the spam list and no one ever saw their emails. Shit happens. All the time.

ramblinguy,

I agree- I work as a data scientist, and internal data is messy as shit. When you’re talking about data from an acquired company, that’s doubly so

pimento64, do games w Hatoful Boyfriend dev has not received any royalty payments from Epic games since Spring 2021

That’s because Epic doesn’t have any money

meatand2veg,

What’re you even talking about??? Epic takes a revenue share of every game made with unreal engine, plus Fortnite runs exclusively on mommy’s credit card and is still insanely huge. Even if the epic games store doesn’t take as big a cut of every sale, they’re held by daddy Tencent who’ll probably kick em some lunch money if they’re actually desperate.

harmonea,
@harmonea@kbin.social avatar

Guessing you didn't see the recent news about Epic doing a big layoff and shedding properties recently?

atlasraven31,

Just because you make a lot of money doesn’t mean you can’t spend it even faster.

Enkers, (edited )

This. They’ve been burning money trying to give games away for free to entice people to their platform. It’s quite possible they have a cash flow problem. That they just layed off 900 people definitely supports this idea.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I doubt it. Fortnite alone probably covers all of those free games and then some, it’s an insane cash cow. Add to that Unreal Engine revenue and they’re not hurting at all for money.

Layoffs just means they probably finished the bulk of UE5 dev and are seeing softening revenues with the COVID spike being over, so they don’t have as much demand to get that and related projects done sooner. Amazon and other big tech firms have done similar layoffs, and it’s not because they’re losing money, but because they’re seeing an end to the crazy growth in the gaming industry due to COVID-19 demand changes.

So no, I really don’t think Epic is hurting for money, they’re just cutting costs to improve margins now that revenue is likely falling.

Aux,

Epic Games is a privately owned company, thus we don’t know their financial state. We don’t know which debts they have and what ventures they have undertaken over the last few years. They might have huge debts and Fortnite might not be enough.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Sure, it’s possible, but I think unlikely. This sounds like the normal BS reasons companies give when their investors want better margins. I’m guessing Tencent isn’t happy with profit margins and wants a better short term return for their stake.

But you’re right, it’s all speculation at this point.

ICastFist, do gaming w Hatoful Boyfriend creator: "btw I’ve got no royalty payment for Hatoful Boyfriend from Epic since they acquired Mediatonic back in spring 2021"
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Nitter link - nitter.net/moa810/status/1707541071205724413

He’s basically asking for information on who he should contact because of that, since he didn’t get any replies from Epic yet. Comments are mostly people being shocked.

Let’s see what happens 'til the end of the day, or next week.

MJBrune, do gaming w Hatoful Boyfriend creator: "btw I’ve got no royalty payment for Hatoful Boyfriend from Epic since they acquired Mediatonic back in spring 2021"

I’m confused, what does the acquisition have to do with hatoful?

Pheonixdown,

From Wikipedia, Mediatonic created the international remake of it, which presumably included some kind of licensing fee from the original developer, which this tweet implies is at least partially based on number of sales. Seems like someone involved in contractual obligations at Epic dropped the ball on at least this game.

interolivary,
!deleted5791 avatar

Seems like someone involved in contractual obligations at Epic dropped the ball on at least this game.

Implying this is accidental

Pheonixdown,

I still default to Hanlon’s Razor.

jarfil,

In large corporations, that Hanlon’s Razor seems to have been given to a deranged monkey on speed. It’s weaponized stupidity at this point.

alyaza,
@alyaza@beehaw.org avatar

when they bought out Mediatonic they acquired the publishing rights, which is allegedly when he stopped getting royalty payments here. it also changed what platforms you can get the game on–previously it was available on a few other platforms–but these days you can only get the game on Epic or Steam

brsrklf,

To be confirmed, but this sounds a bit like how Disney decided they didn’t need to pay any more royalties to people who wrote Star Wars novelizations and original novels.

Like, “you don’t have a contract with us, you had one with George Lucas before we bought Star Wars, it didn’t transfer.” Very shady, and probably a lot easier to pull when you’re a huge corporation against a small creator.

Excrubulent,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

By that logic, “You don’t have a contract with me, therefore you can’t own my intellectual property,” should also apply, no?

Like, if your intellectual property was given away on the basis of an ongoing royalty payment, and Disney decides not to honour that contract, then they can’t keep the IP.

Davel23,

Probably true, but who's going to tell Disney's legal department?

SwiggitySwole,

Me

Davel23,

Best of luck to you.

Treczoks,

OK, we'll hold a collection for your funeral.

00,
@00@kbin.social avatar

🏴‍☠️🫡🏴‍☠️

brsrklf,

Yeah, that’s how I feel about that too, of course. But somehow, looks like Disney got to have the cake and eat it too.

Faydaikin,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

I’ve been lead to believe that Disneys legal department is feared even among other giant corporations.

They’ve been doing shady business for a long time and don’t fuck around, I guess.

SomethingBurger,

I assume Moa Hoto owns the Hatoful Boyfriend license, and Mediatonic (who developed the HD version) must pay them a cut of each sale.

MJBrune,

I did not realize mediatonic developed the remake.

InEnduringGrowStrong, do games w Creative Assembly faces potential layoffs
@InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works avatar

Gaming studio not as profitable as pachinco machines, requires squeezing to extract short term shareholder value.
Just leaving Sega’s stock price here
https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/d10e97e9-dfe3-4948-86f7-499d2d49838a.webp

Their net annual profit is also up


<span style="color:#323232;">2023 45.9b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2022 37.03b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2021 1.2b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2020 13.7b JPY
</span><span style="color:#323232;">2019 2.6b JPY
</span>

While Sega has had problems, 2023 is still a record year for them.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS, do games w Creative Assembly faces potential layoffs

This is one developer that needs to be shut down.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Why? The Total War series is awesome.

quylaa, do games w Online multiplayer is being added to The Binding of Isaac: Repentance

Yo this is incredible

Dindonmasker, do games w Online multiplayer is being added to The Binding of Isaac: Repentance

I never thought tboi could still surprise me today!

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