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dandi8, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Now release it on GOG, then I'll buy it.

unconsciousvoidling, do games w Benji-Sales: Nearly 250k concurrent players on Steam today for Cyberpunk 2077 with the launch of the Phantom Liberty. The highest count Cyberpunk has had since December 2020, the games release...

I haven’t bought dlc… any good ?

GodofGrunts, do games w Dusk: Unpopular opinion: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Imagine thinking that Valve has a monopoly.

Monopoly doesn’t mean “Largest market share”. It’s a real term with a real meaning.

Monopoly:

the exclusive possession or control of the supply of or trade in a commodity or service.

What, exactly, does Valve control? They don’t require exclusivity, they don’t require their DRM, they don’t require the use of their network system. Hell, they don’t even require you to to give them 30% if you sell your own key.

Valve is also not a publicly traded company, while this doesn’t mean you can fully trust them it does mean they aren’t required to seek profit at all costs. This allows then to do things like, support Linux, make their own hardware (twice after their first attempt was a failure), work on Proton, develope games that make them no money, etc.

Itch.io, GOG, EA, Epic, Windows Store, Game Pass, Humble Bundle, personal websites. These are all examples of places you can buy video games on computers.

Timmy Tencent’s propaganda is working on you if you think Valve is any sort of monopoly.

merc,

Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a “monopolist” is a firm with significant and durable market power.

www.ftc.gov/…/monopolization-defined

Rolder,

I don’t think Steam qualifies still. There are still plenty of competitors such as GOG, Green Man Gaming, itch.io, Epic, Humble Store, Microsoft Store, and so on.

merc,

Steam accounts for 50% to 70% of all PC game downloads around the world.

enterpriseappstoday.com/…/steam-statistics.html

Rolder,

It being popular doesn’t mean it’s a monopoly…

GodofGrunts,

The “significant durable market power” part is why I went on to explain how they don’t lock you into their ecosystem. How can Valve raise prices or exclude their competitors when they literally do not have any mechanisms in place to do any of those things?

Silverstrings, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
@Silverstrings@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My biggest issue with Epic is them very clearly doing the classic tactic of selling goods at unsustainably low prices in order to drive out competition before jacking them back up again. Their whole free game shtick can’t possibly last forever and they know it.

aesthelete,

I believe it used to be illegal to sell things at less than cost because the original monopolists did this too. Why did we make that legal again?

neshura,

It isn’t (at least over here) but the “cost” for a game is really iffy to define because if you want to be pedantic the distribution cost for a digital game are cents and that only if you actually factor in infrastructure costs. So technically they can just price them however they want because technically a single game download has 0 cost.

Technically because we all know that the production costs have to be regained somehow, just that with enough lawyer bs you can ignore that as a product cost on paper (for example if you label the entire production a learning experience or smth)

Viper_NZ,

This and the paid exclusives mean I haven’t, and won’t use EGS out of pure spite.

phx,

I’ve picked up a ton of their free games. I’ve yet to actually install their client and actually play one

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I could always get one of those games off the high seas and pay the same amount. I’m not going to give Epic the engagement numbers to get investors with.

YeastInspection,

I believe these Indy devs get paid when you boot a game you got for free, so I’m happy to install stuff and boot it once just to support gaming in general

zeekzag,
@zeekzag@lemmy.world avatar

Just install a FOSS alternative to their launcher like Heroic

kcdaguy, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Will online multiplayer still be broken?

Nibodhika,

Is it broken?

Davel23, (edited )

It most likely uses Epic Online Services, so... yeah.

woelkchen, (edited ) do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The Steam page does not mention Denovo nor always-online DRM. I’m cautiously optimistic.

Edit: …steampowered.com/…/Tony_Hawks_Pro_Skater_1__2/ So you don’t have to visit Twitter/X.

Ganbat,

Publishers have been known to add that info one or two days before release in the past.

woelkchen, (edited )
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Publishers have been known to add that info one or two days before release in the past.

Oh fuck:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c1a1daf7-bfd2-4667-9fe9-879ea3b088d3.png

They mention always-online but not in the regular sidebar box but super tiny in the requirements.

prograhammingdev,

The system requirements do infact mention it “requires an internet connection”

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, that’s what I wrote in a reply to my comment.

ParkedInReverse, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

Anyone else find the wording odd? ‘This. Is. Epic.’ that they’re finally coming to Steam after only being on… Epic.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone else find the wording odd? ‘This. Is. Epic.’

I think it’s supposed to be word play.

mateomaui,

should be “This. Was. Epic.”

XLRV, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3
@XLRV@lemmy.ml avatar

At last, better late than never.

GreenMario, do games w Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 and 2: This. Is. Epic. Drop in to Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 on Steam, October 3

About time lol. I guess they forgot about it.

I bought on Xbox so was no thing. Great remake, definitely recommend.

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

The company the developed it got consumed by Blizzard shortly after.

SuiXi3D,
@SuiXi3D@kbin.social avatar

So they’ll be owned by Microsoft before too long. Maybe we’ll get the 3+4 remake we deserve.

GreenMario,

RIP Vicarious Visions. Those guys did magic on the GBA and all their remakes were spot on.

MeanEYE, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

How does that quote from Douglas Adams go:

It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it… anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

Buttons,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

I wish we had a branch of government filled with randomly selected people.

Imagine if we filled each house seat by randomly selecting 5 people, having the 5 people debate, and then people could vote for which of the 5 they wanted. We would then have a government filled with normal but likable people.

yamanii, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

I only buy from gog on the side too since the no drm policy is very pro consumer. And also the porn games are unrated via a free dlc instead of having to download it externally.

tehmics,

Free dlc you say… interesting

Mango, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

Steam’s way means no centralized curation bullshit. Developers gotta bet on themselves.

GenBlob, do games w Dusk: Unpopular opinion: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

I will always support valve because of their amazing Linux support but if GOG finally made a client for Linux then I would try to use that more. I wish Epic would also support Linux but with massive douchebag Tim Sweeney running the company, that will never happen.

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

If these platforms supported Linux, they’d be able to compete with Steam… 15 years ago.

Nowadays Steam offers so many solutions to PC gaming that other clients simply would take ages to copy. Steam Input, cloud saves that actually work, Steam Link, Remote Play Together, etc

ram, (edited ) do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly
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  • Carighan,
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    I think the pseudo-quote you wanted to do the other way around.

    The thing is, sure, I prefer buying things from say, GOG. But Epic is horrible, and that’s even just from my consumer perspective with it’s bad client, terrible discoverability and lack of forums or anything. So as a consumer I have no incentive to support Epic, no matter whether I want to give my money to Steam or another place.

    ram, (edited )
    @ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

    You’re right, I did get the pseudo-quote backwards.

    As far as customer experience, that’s one thing, and that’s valid. “I prefer to use Steam because it has features Epic doesn’t, even if one’s a monopoly” though is very different from the quote above, which is distinctly about supporting X company over Y company; not about product difference, but actual support.

    Let’s be real though, if Epic had literally just released Steam but with a good UI people would still boycott it, referencing xenophobic shit like “because china”, angry at tim sweeney, complaining about another launcher, and anything else. The PC market has this really strange and uncomfortable adoration of Steam. It’s console-warrior levels, really.

    I don’t disagree that EGS is a lackluster product in many ways, but it’s pretty clear that the complaints about it by and far are simply justification for a pre-existing opinion, both because of predisposition towards steam, and against “the guys who made that stupid fortnite game”.

    petrol_sniff_king,

    referencing xenophobic shit like “because china”, angry at tim sweeney,

    What… the fuck are you talking about? You are lost in sauce, dude.

    I would rather GOG be made the de facto alternative than Epic. The fact that we have approx. 1 grocery store nearby does not mean we should be excited a Walmart is being built.

    ram,
    @ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

    I’d rather neither, and that companies open up their own storefronts with standalone downloads. Unfortunately we’re in the age of Walmarts for games.

    Nefyedardu,

    referencing xenophobic shit like “because china”

    Disliking a company that aids in genocide makes you "xenophobic"?

    Content that Beijing deems “subversive” has also been forced to be removed from both platforms. Human rights experts are well aware of the ways that these apps have been utilized to spy on Uyghurs and other dissenting voices and are used to persecute these individuals and their family members. Information collected from WeChat can be enough to land one in a concentration camp or prison, as is the case for many Uyghurs who have contact with foreigners or family members who are abroad. Tencent, WeChat’s parent company, is thus clearly complicit in the genocide of Uyghurs, amongst other affronts on human rights. The United States administration has not been alone in acknowledging this, India has also banned far more Chinese apps than were addressed by the U.S. executive order on August sixth.

    ram,
    @ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

    You realize that Tencent doesn’t own Epic. They have a minority stake in them, as they do bluehole, ubisoft, activision blizzard, platinum games, paradox interactive, fatshark, funcom, and discord. They also wholly or majority own supercell, grinding gear games, and riot games.

    No discussion of these other companies devolves into saying that these companies personally aid in genocide. Why is that? As far as I can tell, it’s just because a small contingency of gamers online don’t like how popular fortnite is.

    Nefyedardu,

    So now its not xenophobia, it's because people don't like the popularity of Fortnite? How about lets not handwave all of Tencent's crimes against humanity with "you're just xenophobic" or "you just don't like Fortnite". Nobody of any good conscious should support that company or any of its owned companies (partially or otherwise).

    ram,
    @ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

    Both are true. There can be multiple contributing factors, yes.

    But yes, we shouldn’t support corporations. To that point I wholeheartedly agree.

    Lesrid, do games w Dusk Developer David Szymanski: I'd rather pay Valve 30% and put up with their de facto monopoly than help Epic work towards their own (very obviously desired) monopoly

    It’s infuriating to me that only Steam and EA’s stores have gifting built in. Most of my games budget goes to buying small-squad multiplayer games like Deep Rock Galactic and Sea of Thieves for people.

    Sure you can buy a key anywhere but I love seeing at a glance that an acquaintance has a particular DLC or game to surprise them rather than asking them first. And then there’s a small chance they thank you for the key and pass it on to someone else instead of just telling you they don’t like game, while Steam has a handy decline button.

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