techradar.com

hark, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

I was surprised to see that both left and right joycons have the mouse functionality. Was cool to see it in action with the wheelchair basketball game.

Skyline969, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)
@Skyline969@lemmy.ca avatar

Could be useful for RimWorld. Factorio maybe.

lydon_feen,

Oh absolutely

warm,

At that point they might as well let you plug in a mouse to the console and then you might as well just buy a Steam Deck anyway.

Beacon, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)

If you make a game that requires mouse control, then you can't play it when you're away from a desk.

But-

If you make a game that works well with either joycon or mouse, then no one will use the mouse.

VindictiveJudge,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Turn based tactics or 4x games would absolutely benefit from both, and the touch screen. Being able to play Fire Emblem with any of the three depending on what’s comfortable at the time would be wonderful.

Abnorc,

I doubt that no one will use it. If you make a good input method that works with a decent variety of games, some will switch to it. Perhaps Nintendo could even sell some sort of tray/mousepad that lets you use the mouse decently well while sitting on the couch. It seems odd, but I think it has potential.

LiveLM,

Not exactly?
If they make it work nicely on surfaces that aren’t perfectly straight, you could use it while playing on the couch.
Would be particularly amazing if games support switching between modes instantly, so you could for example be playing a game, open your inventory, slap your joycon on the couch to organize your stuff w/ mouse mode, close your inventory and pick it up resuming play in joycon mode 🤯

Paradox,
@Paradox@lemdro.id avatar

People use mouse on Xbox. There will always be some

catloaf,

From the article:

Though the livestream demonstrated the Joy-Con 2’s mouse function on flat surfaces, a press release shared by Nintendo to Business Wire confirms that sliding the Joy-Con 2 controllers over a pair of pants will also work.

SolidShake, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)

The Legion did this and it was stupid. This is just a gimmick at best.

acosmichippo, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

i can’t imagine that will be comfortable to use for any significant amount of time.

lydon_feen,

Sure, that’s a valid point. But in this case there can be actual mice for the Switch 2 because the games Will support mouse mode.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

does it support keyboards as well? or how else do you control WASD etc?

magic_lobster_party,

Left joycon for movement. Right joycon for mouse.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w Switch 2 mouse mode (such potential)

Eh?

Conceptually I like the idea.

But even if it isn’t uncomfortable to use and has decent DPI? It is going to have the same problem the OG steam controller or even the PS5 adaptive triggers have. If only one platform is going to use an input type then it is not going to be used by any third parties.

Yes, in this case it is two platforms: Switch and PC. But the number of developers who will say “I can make a switch port and only a switch port of my game” are few and far between. They’ll once again focus on how to make gamepad work because that gives them ALL the consoles, the Steam Deck, and even helps us olds with RSI.

lydon_feen,

First, if they already have a PC port your point is moot. They would still need to make a controller version for the Xbox and PS5, but the switch can use both.

Secondly, some games are simply not released on consoles because it simply doesn’t translate well without a mouse, like RTS games, for example.

NuXCOM_90Percent, (edited )

You DO realize that a port is not just as simple as picking the dropdown in your editor to compile for switch versus xbox versus PC, right?

There is a substantial amount of effort to do any kind of port. And for one where the default experience is a 1080p handheld display? The kinds of games that only have M+KB support (because people are also forgetting the “KB” part…) are not the ones that run the best on tiny screens. And where the default use case is having both joycons still connected to the device.

Don’t get me wrong. There are definitely corner cases. But we literally went through this with the Steam Controller a decade or so ago (15 years?). Consoles are a giant part of the market and targeting xinput gets you an interface that works on all of those AND improves the experience for a lot of users on PC. Versus finding a way to downscale your input to just a mouse and 8-10 buttons?

The number of third parties that meaningfully benefit from the switch-mouse are going to be very small. And most, if not all, of them will also have gamepad support for people who don’t want to have to sit at at a table with a surface that is compatible with said switch mouse.


OH! If studios were really going to specifically target switch ports for RTSes and Grand Strategy games, we would have seen a lot more that took advantage of the motion controls of the Switch 1. That shit was wild.

ampersandrew, do games w Two of the best VR games ever just launched, and you need to play them – my favorite Meta Quest 3 games and apps for October 2024
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d love to, but I’m not buying anything from Meta. They’re exclusive-ing this market to death.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Does revive still work? It used to let you play oculus store exclusives on non-oculus headsets. It was a steam plugin.

60fpsrefugee,

Just fyi, oculus store on pc and Meta Store are different. Meta abandoned oculus store and pcvr long ago. My hope is a Meta quest emulator since it run on Android.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Ah yea. You’re right. Then revive definitely is deprecated.

b3an, do games w Two of the best VR games ever just launched, and you need to play them – my favorite Meta Quest 3 games and apps for October 2024
@b3an@lemmy.world avatar

Batman: Arkham Shadow**Vendetta Forever

Onihikage, do gaming w Sony unveils the PSVR 2 PC adapter
@Onihikage@beehaw.org avatar

Doesn’t have HDR, and doesn’t have eye tracking? Those are two of its biggest selling points! What were they thinking?

FeelzGoodMan420, do gaming w Sony unveils the PSVR 2 PC adapter

Fyi on PCVR, this headset will NOT have HDR, Eye tracking, and other features. Kind of an important call out…

ag_roberston_author, do gaming w Sony unveils the PSVR 2 PC adapter
!deleted4201 avatar

Does it require a PSN account to use the adaptor?

chloyster, do gaming w Sony unveils the PSVR 2 PC adapter

Sweet! I kept saying I’d consider getting this if it had PC support, soooo maybe I’m saving up now 👀

mozz, do scifi w Apple TV Plus' Foundation hires Game of Thrones star to play The Mule in season 3 cast shake-up
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

I deliberately didn't click, so as to not reward them for making me want to click and find out which star

It was Euron Greyjoy I guess

BakedGoods, do scifi w Apple TV Plus' Foundation hires Game of Thrones star to play The Mule in season 3 cast shake-up

Mikael Persbrandt is a notorious coke-fiend and a passable actor in his home country of Sweden. Could have something to do with him being replaced.

echo64, (edited ) do games w Cities: Skylines 2 developers have noticed 'a growing tendency of toxicity in our community'

The comments in here are really disappointing and a reflection of where this community has gone in general.

Excusing toxic gamer communities, accusing the developer of things for pointing it out? All because the game not in a good state is toxic in itself and really not what this community should be.

This place gets worse every week.

APassenger,

I’ve played CS2 for weeks. Days of hours. Have completely enjoyed it.

It’s not finished and they’re honest about that. Also, comparisons to CS in it’s finished state (easy to do unconsciously) overlook just how many DLCs it took to get to full maturity.

I enjoy the game and have no regrets for buying. I don’t feel deceived since I could have asked for as refund.

I think some of this is a specific kind of FOMO. Fear of missing out (on what could have been). I’m hoping they do enough to fix the parenthetical.

Edit to add: my computer has great specs for late 2020. It’s not top of the line, but it has everything I thought it would need, CPU, RAM, GPU. That may impact my experience.

The game was unplayable on my 5 year old laptop. But it’s not really a gaming rig anyhow…

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Regarding specs:
Even youtube creators supposedly had trouble (at times) running it at a consistent framerate.

Not that I had it when I bought it…It ran fine at 1440p ultra wide and (afaik) medium/high settings.

APassenger, (edited )

Agree.

One of the main videos I know.

Edit: fixed link.

soggy_kitty,

Counter strike 2

Boiglenoight,

It’s becoming Reddit. Which is what we wanted last year? I know what you mean though. There is a difference between now and then with our community. Probably related to user count?

Rentlar,

Sorry, I’m having trouble understanding what kind of commentary you were expecting.

Leading up to release as soon as the first reviews pointed out bad performance (see thread), many on Lemmy were bashing CO/Paradox for putting out a beta-stage product as if it was fully released, and Lemmings and people at large were never real fans of being unpaid QA testers for game companies.

Mind you, I love this game, and there’s a lot in there that I can tell CO devs put their heart and soul in. But I see a comment or a post every now and then saying “Lemmy is becoming so toxic, like Reddit” [1] [2] [3] [4] and I’m trying to figure out what exactly has changed, if you can help me out here.

echo64,

I’m expecting this community not to say that a company deserves a toxic community and that being toxic is a totally normal and expected thing.

A few months ago, even , this was a place where people would talk about the game news and not revel in your average Gamer toxicity.

Now it’s just, I guess, reddit, but worse because the toxic voices are louder in a smaller echo chamber. The people who don’t ascribe to this kind of thing leave. The toxic people are all that is left.

Rentlar, (edited )

I understand your point, and agree that you have received negative replies that prove this community accepts a level of toxicity that may not have been there before. (To me it feels like the same level, but perhaps I’ve just ignored it or become numb to it)

I encourage people to engage in these topics with a level head but there will be exceptions at times.

eev.ee/blog/2016/07/22/on-a-technicality/

Reading the second half of this comments reminded me of this long read I was introduced to over in Beehaw.org (the evaporative cooling section). Left unchecked, only the jerks will be left and the nice people give up and leave. If a slower, nicer place for discussion is what you’re looking for, Beehaw was where I found that vibe the most.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Now it’s just, I guess, reddit, but worse because the toxic voices are louder in a smaller echo chamber.

Yeah I noticed that, too. All of Lemmy in fact. It feels like engagement is up, but only in select echo chambers of being angry about something.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

None of that excuses being toxic around the game though.

At most, it excuses just refunding it. And then never interacting with it or the community around it ever again.

Rentlar,

I absolutely agree. There’s a line between constructive criticism/feedback and toxicity, some cases are obvious but others I don’t know where exactly to draw it. Those that aren’t interested in the game after being let down may be best advised to refund and move on with their life.

Unfortunately, I don’t know where to strike a good balance to avoid both an "echo chamber where any dissent is extinguished’, and a ‘cesspool of toxic jerks talking ironically’.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Eh, for game-released-in-a-disappointing state there’s always two points for me:

  1. A personal thing, learn to not buy day 1 or even before. Let other people do that, then avoid ever putting yourself in a frustrated position by simply never buying the broken/unfinished game to begin with. Money - and time - better spent on other hobbies, or well, other games.
  2. On a specific level, I always feel that just saying “I’m sorry, but because of X, Y and Z I don’t feel like the game is in any shape to be worth the money asked” and then refunding it is the only real proper feedback to go about it. Voice your reasoning, then undo the purchase to withhold the money. That’s more than enough brain space wasted on an unfinished game you’re not enjoying, anyways.
CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Those that aren’t interested in the game after being let down may be best advised to refund and move on with their life.

It’s okay to hold a company responsible for the sale of a poor product. You don’t have to give them a free pass and just go away.

You can let them know what they did wrong, and if they’re smart, they won’t do the same wrong thing again, the next time they sell their next product.

And any human being on the planet, when they are not listened to, will become upset and rude. The point is for any company to strive for the win-win, and listen to their customers, and not just try to sell them the next bad product and repeat the same bad cycle.

Rentlar,

For sure. I might have weasel-worded my comment with “may be best advised” as it’s not all cases.

Toxicity is unhealthy, but I am optimistic it will become less so once CO and Paradox follow through on their promises. The two big ones being 1. actually being able to play the game on consoles and modest hardware and 2. mods

Copernican,

For some reason people seem to experience the most rage, vocalization frustration, etc. when it comes to having their entertainment fucked with (whether pricing, content itself, etc). Companies can cause global recession or market crashes, be responsible for child labor resulting in death and dismemberment, or engage in flat out fraud, but those companies will never bring out the toxicity, death threats, entitlement, and communal anger like a video game or film/tv company that impacts the entertainment of the masses. When people used to think of the most evil company in America back in the early 2010’s, EA was more hated than Bank of America, Wells Fargo, or AIG. That never made sense to me.

CosmicCleric, (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

For some reason people seem to experience the most rage, vocalization frustration, etc. when it comes to having their entertainment fucked with (whether pricing, content itself, etc).

You should never fuck around with the plebs and their ‘bread and circuses’, especially if your government is not doing well.

Companies can cause global recession or market crashes … or engage in flat out fraud, but those companies will never bring out the toxicity, death threats, entitlement, and communal anger

People are pissed off at inflation, the general cost of everything (including AAA games), laws and punishments not being applied evenly/fairly, etc., these days.

I think the latter part of your comment is a bit hyperbolic (especially part of your comment that I edited out when quoting it in my response).

Copernican,

The defunct Consumerist used to run a poll. forbes.com/…/ea-voted-worst-company-in-america-ag… . It was always strange how EA beat out the companies that I think do more harm to society for several years. For some reason it’s entertainment companies that draw a lot of vocal ire from consumers, despite financial institutions, pharma, telecoms, oil, factory farms, etc. doing more explicit and literal harm.

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

For some reason it’s entertainment companies that draw a lot of vocal ire from consumers

Just repeating myself at this point, but to answer (again) your question…

You should never fuck around with the plebs and their ‘bread and circuses’, especially if your government is not doing well.

Copernican,

Your comment was vague. I know there’s these days, but I was talking about a theme I have been seeing since around 2010. In the past 23 years we’ve had differing levels of inflation and what not, but entertainment seems to still draw communal vocal ire in ways that seem disproportional to more impactful issues caused by corporations.

but to answer (again) your question…

what question did i ask?

CosmicCleric,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Your comment was vague.

It’s not, if you understand the concept/story of “bread and circuses”.

Both responses has a link to the wiki for it, that you can read up on, if you want further info on it.

what question did i ask?

I bolded it in both of my responses. It’s an implied, and not explicit, question.

pulaskiwasright,

Toxic” is different to everyone though. That’s why these comment sections always go in circles. To some people saying “paradox are crooks and they have no respect for us and they’re ripping us off by using us as beta testers,” is toxic to some. And to others it is seen as constructive criticism. So when someone says “this community is toxic”. I don’t really know what they’re saying. “Toxic” has just become a lazy buzz word that makes discussing this kind of thing pointless.

Copernican,

For me it’s the over representation of self described communists that take over every thread to poetically or unpoetically just keep saying capitalism=bad and then do shit like justify bad behavior because capitalism=bad or pretend to care about making sure employees get paid while advocating for piracy of everything being justified.

Dendrologist, (edited )

deleted_by_author

  • Loading...
  • Copernican,

    I have no problem discussing political opinions. I hate how every thread gets co opted by un critical hot takes for the circle jerk of up votes. It’s frustrating that any post about digital media has the top comments all saying “Yarrrr, time to sail the high sees.” Or anytime there’s any news about a corporation, the top comment seems to be “fuck capitalism and those greedy greedy share holders.” Those kinds of comments aren’t critical, aren’t contributing to any meaningful conversation. On reddit I think it succeeded when you had communities of enthusiasts having conversations about the thing they are enthusiastic about. Lemmy seems to have a lot more people enthusiastic about a political position just try to spread that on any and all communities.

    Cypher,

    The comments in here are really disappointing and a reflection of what this community has become, corporate bootlickers.

    Excusing companies scamming customers because gamers dared to point out the scam? All because the companies quarterly profits weren’t up enough, is a really toxic state and not what this community should be.

    Pratai,

    lol.

    APassenger,

    There was no scam. They were upfront about the issues before release.

    Stating facts is not bootlicking. It’s just being a mature, fair adult about things.

    Cypher,

    Can you link any prerelease announcements that include the bugs and performance issues?

    APassenger, (edited )

    This vid covers an assortment of the issues, where things stood, and reaction to the news.

    Respected YouTuber does the research. .

    That was days before the release and in response to an announcement weeks prior.

    Old_Dude,

    Its the internet though. I don’t know of a place on the internet where there’s no toxicity.

    Phegan,

    Slowly becoming the reddit replacement we don’t deserve.

  • Wszystkie
  • Subskrybowane
  • Moderowane
  • Ulubione
  • ERP
  • fediversum
  • test1
  • rowery
  • Technologia
  • krakow
  • muzyka
  • shophiajons
  • NomadOffgrid
  • esport
  • informasi
  • FromSilesiaToPolesia
  • retro
  • Travel
  • Spoleczenstwo
  • gurgaonproperty
  • Psychologia
  • Gaming
  • slask
  • nauka
  • sport
  • niusy
  • antywykop
  • Blogi
  • lieratura
  • motoryzacja
  • giereczkowo
  • warnersteve
  • Wszystkie magazyny