Not only is it still running on private servers, those private servers have the blessing of the original devs. If I’m remembering correctly, they even provided the admins some dev tools and code
Plus, there is just zero chance any new game could possibly come out of the gate with more features and hours of gameplay than CoH. Physically impossible.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I actually like these “DLC Subscription” type things, particularly for older games with tons of DLC. There’s a huge barrier to entry for someone trying to pick up an older game, and being able to pay $5 or $10 and ‘demo’ all of the DLC for a month is a nice way to see what’s worth buying or if the game is even going to have enough longevity to make buying the DLC worth it.
Obviously when it’s accompanied by a huge increase in the price of the DLC, it sours it considerably, but at its core, the subscription itself is not a bad thing.
Yeah, i agree on that; when i heard that i thought about jumping in for a month and playing it again; it actually is pretty fun, but it’s simply too expensive to buy in. I would be happy if other games with lots of DLC or expensive DLC considered something similar; Paradox games are the first thing that come to mind, but there’s other stuff like Rimworld where you can drop 100 Bucks on expansions that i simply do not have.
I play on Homecoming. I played the original and it is the only MMO at the time I had high level characters. It was just a blast. I recreated my main in Homecoming. Dark masiama/ psych healer. I was never without a group. I just hovered behind the tank and kept them toped up and buffed. I also played Champions and even have a lifetime membership but it does not match City of Heroes. The only thing I would like is for Homecoming to add some sort of group voice chat.
I like no voice chat, but I have had absolutely horrible times with voice chats.
My main character was a scrapper martial artist. I just mostly remember I managed to make her covered with clothes from head to toe and shrouded in shadows. “What was that blur of smoke?” one might ask. “It’s me! Here to punch!” nyoom nyoom was my living. And punching.
People greatly overestimate the chances of success of a video game, even with $2.5 million. It’s even easy to fail entirely for reasons unrelated to developing a game, such as corporate governance.
It’s not totally comparable, because we did a physical game, the Kickstarter I created ended up succeeding and shipping (over a year late!), we lost virtually all profits to early company investors and surprise tariffs. It was basically a wash financially.
There should be exactly the toggle that the article asks for given this criticism. I don’t know how likely it is, because it seems like whatever engine they fed this game into just handles lighting very differently. Deus Ex is a great game, but I’m personally of the opinion that it’s quite ugly, and just about anything you do to the graphics are an improvement. The mod that the article compares it to doesn’t look better, just slightly different. In either case, the reason that both look better than the original, and why we pulled out the year 2003, is that the technology in cutting edge graphics didn’t really change until mid-to-late 2004, and the advancements in between were basically just more polygons and better textures, which is all you can reasonably expect in a remaster. More than that is a lot more work and gets you into remake territory.
Ironically H:CEA is the worst offender of remasters that completely miss the original art style and makes everything uglier and… uncannier? Less canny?
Halo 2 is the opposite, the remastered version does have some things that rub me the wrong way (like human faces) and some choices that baffle me (like the once opaque glass at the beginning of The Oracle, y’know the one) but other than that it’s one of the best remastered games out there.
… visually speaking. I don’t like the brand new music tracks they added over the licensed ones.
The excuse doesn’t work well when “retro 3D” games are actively being made by indie devs today.
As long as it’s a uniform aesthetic aimed for and achieved by the devs, it can survive a long time. I’d say just as much of GTA: SA and a lot of Nintendo games.
It also goes to show that a lot of tactical/modern Xbox / 360 games never really had any stylistic imitators in the modern era, and for good reason.
Hey, that’s fair. If you already have the old version of the game, this one’s going to have limited appeal for you, most likely. As is the case with most remasters.
The original looks fine; it’s gone from ‘okay for 2000’, through to ‘dated’ and back to ‘retro charm’ again. Plus you can turn up the resolution and fps to silly levels, which wasn’t the originally intended effect but is pretty nice.
All early 3D games look so bad that the slight year-on-year improvements are nearly irrelevant now. A hideous AI texture ‘upgrade’ doesn’t bring it to to modern standards, and distracts from the truly amazing game behind it all.
The funny thing is the original is only playable with fan patches so technically I can see demand for a remaster. They just really fumbled this in a weird way.
So you’re saying they’re trying to cash in on the game’s popularity with a crappy remaster? You’re either a troll or you need to work on your logical deduction skills if you can’t figure out why people are complaining.
the fuck?? why would they remaster a game that no one liked and no one wants to play? if its a crappy remaster then that sucks, but its pretty fucking obvious if you think for 2 seconds and use the context clues in your own comment.
i think this entire thread needs to work on their logic skills, take a moment to comprehend before going full piss mode. what is crappy about their remaster? their “ai graphics”? unfounded stupidity and cynicism over a game that hasnt even been released yet.
who asked for your pissy comment about it?? oh no one? you should probably stop leaving comments because no one asked and theyre gonna be bad anyways. good job trolling though fr, you did well.
right, another response with no actual substance. this is truly hilarious. i definitely work for the company that is producing this and im obviously spending my time on lemmy asking people whats so bad about it. good observation. ill let my boss know not a single person complaining knows what the fuck theyre talking about, then he will check my lemmy account and pay me for talking to dumbasses on a social media nobody in my life has even heard of. genius.
i wouldnt have considered it very alive before the remaster was announced. there are millions of people that will now be able to play it on their new consoles, and millions of people that will consider playing the game for the first time.
if you dont understand why remasters exist (obviously you dont) seek help. there is a reason why there are so many remasters, people like them and they buy them. if you arent one of those people thats fine, but if youre not the target audience just ignore it? why tf are you complaining about it and belittling it before it even exists? thats like saying they shouldve just kept crash bandicoot, spyro, tomb raider, etc. with no modernization and say fuck the new generation if you want to play it you have to endure the headaches and bs
if you dont want remasters just dont buy them. its that easy. some people want native ultrawide support, QOL features, cloud saves, graphics that arent 240p, etc. etc. without having to install 30 mods and still have a shitty experience.
sorry you have to be so pissy when people are enabling others to enjoy a beloved game.
Hey, if you’re OK buying a game that looks worse than the original for QOL improvements that could, and should, be patches, you go ahead and support exploitative business practices.
And don’t forget to continue to freak out at online strangers for not joining you on your bootlicking adventures. That’ll make your life better, I’m sure.
cannot believe you think the og looks better. that is extremely baffling. at least everyone else will admit the original looks like absolute trash. the textures are seemingly 240p or less with no actual lighting or depth. pngs posted on a blob with horror inducing hands lmao. nostalgia≠quality.
and truly none of it fucking matters because more people will still get to play a wonderful game, it is being made more accessible for everyone and being released on new platforms.
you want them to patch in a complete graphical and QoL overhaul, port it to the switch, ps5, and series x, introduce cloud saving, ultrawide and dual monitor functionality etc all for free? oh, you didnt read any of that and you are being pissy for no reason? damn.
you are speaking like that is fact rather than opinion. what would make it “useful” for you though? i understand not caring for remasters personally but that is a pretty insane blanket statement to me.
the original is 25 fucking years old now, this brings the game to an entire new generation, new consoles, etc. and provides those with nostalgia to relive what they remember. if you think the OG deus ex looks good in the slightest you are way too deep in nostalgia. no depth, no shadows, and barely any contrast though 🔥
i mean no one has even tried it yet, how in the hell can you say its bad already?
nice, very genuine and thought provoking response. i am just trying to understand and no one has given a good explanation in my opinion. seriously i love how every response is just dodging absolutely everything i say.
any actual thoughts or are you just angry and need something to be pissy about?
I’ll reply to you because seems you really care about it, and also because many players have your same position: No, a game doesn’t looks bad just because it’s old, like all the masterpieces ( and I’m not referring to Deus Ex in particular). Many players wrongly think everything needs to be updated to modern aesthetics, but you do not want to touch a great game just for that, that’s a commercial reason only. Real remastereds should just put a crt-shader on top of the game, in most cases.
i think the textures in the original deus ex look like ass and are so flat. the style is not good at all in my opinion. i think plenty of old games and lots of pixel art looks great but that shit looks terrible. it had a great story and decent gameplay.
that is your opinion about remasters, but in reality a large majority would be pissed if they just threw a CRT shader on. thats lazy as fuck.
That’s not an opinion but a fact: we are talking about remasters, not remake, the only purpose of a remaster in any art is to be faithful to the original. If many videogamers are confused about this is due to “the industry”.
But now I’m talking about semantics here and that’s not what I want to do; the important aspect is to point out how this type of videogames are useless: just look for new ones…or go for a mod if you like it partially…or enjoy this new versions but don’t be surprised when they are shadowed by the original games.
Okay, my actual thoughts are thus: The original game looked bad. I don’t think there’s any denying that. But: at least it was consistent, and it had a style to it that it kept hold of throughout. There was a real opportunity to properly overhaul Deus Ex with the remaster, but they’ve instead settled for Xbox 360-era models, while keeping the stiff animations from the original, and throwing ridiculous amounts of harsh lighting and bloom around. It doesn’t look like Deus Ex any more. What they should’ve done is taken some cues from Human Revolution and used that to inform the design. (Hot take maybe)
Hate to break it to you, but this usually also comes with a forced update to your OG copy. At least, Bethesda and Nightdive have been doing that a lot.
I wonder if they’re still dealing with engine limitations? Not excusing them, because the feedback is actually on point if you see the screenshots/trailer. But I’m wondering if there’s a poly count limit or something.
They’re clearly bolting on the graphical improvements on top of this antiquated engine, rather than rewriting it. I wonder if they need to “trick” the engine (like with RTX Remix, where the game isn’t “aware” of the changes).
These are the recommended system requirements. Not sure what they are doing behind the scenes but they are absolutely ridiculous for a game of this scope.
It’s even dumber: look at the minimum requirements, too. The insane difference between the minimum and recommended tell me that it’s the original engine with a ton of shit bolted on top.
That’s the only reason they’d recommend a 2080 or above – just sheer brute force. I hope I’m wrong, but I smell an unoptimized rerelease. Someone mentioned this studio remastered a Star Wars game (I forget which) and apparently it didn’t go well.
Aspyr is the company, it’s not really a ‘studio’ - they’re a porting house that used to port PC games to MacOS, poorly (but beggars could not be choosers in the post win95 world, crappy Aspyr port or none at all)
except its also releasing on switch lmao. maybe that version is gonna be way worse, or MAYBE the recommendations are overestimated to not get peoples hopes up. who knows, seriously, i wouldnt be so cynical yet though.
it says switch, thanks for the positive comments and the obvious conclusion i am working PR on fucking lemmy, lmao. i was just trying to figure out where all the unfounded hate was coming from, i have deducted that i am reading comments from a bunch of pissy pants who need something to complain about constantly. truly incredible and insightful knowledge you have given and obviously taken the time to look at yourself.
I don’t think so. They’re quite cheap when it comes to knocking these out, and didn’t have a higher poly model to go off like they did with Tomb Raider or Soul Reaver.
I’m still salty over how many tweaks they could have made to improve that and didn’t bother.
At what point are companies going to chase free advertising like this? Seems like an easy way to farm good will by pulling a sonic and putting out bad/early art, then replacing with final assets later?
You don’t play OG deus ex for the graphics or… Combat tbh, but this seems like a half ass coat of paint instead of anything of real substance. You can already play Deus ex on modern hardware so I don’t know what you’re really getting here.
idk all the og graphics look pretty dog ass as someone who didnt play the original, just from the reference they used it looks significantly better. more depth, texture, resolution, shadows, reflections, and contrast. i dont really see it being too “shiny” it just looks like there is now light lmao.
seriously though that original character looks awful and kinda terrifying. what games can you not play on modern hardware though? what more would you want from it?
you can barely see anything in the original and the textures are in like 240p, also the graphic mod they say is better has people complaining about it being dead and incomplete.
i am asking why you think you get nothing from this, or how it is a poor product just because you can play the original still. i also dont understand the “half ass coat of paint” everyone is referencing. i explained everything pretty thouroughly i feel like.
the main thing is i just do not understand all of the hate and cynicism, especially since its not even out yet lmao. they are literally overhauling the graphics and QOL which it the main barrier to entry.
Oh OK. I’m saying you don’t gey much from this because it really doesn’t look much different from what you can play today.
To be fair, it’s not like I’ve seen everything the remaster has to offer, but they’re making a big announcement and showing things off like it’s a big deal, but first impression is that it isn’t.
Deus Ex GOTY edition has been on GoG and Steam for a while, and some folks have touched those up with mods or releases like Deus Ex Revision that I think are worth checking out.
To be clear it’s not hate I’m trying to get across, it’s “so what? I don’t see why I should pay money for this.”
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