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Clbull, do gaming w Everyone's favorite AAA company might be facing bankruptcy

When did we get to the point where a Lemmy post got 1000+ upvotes?

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

As someone who posts a lot, here’s my general scale for Lemmy posts by upvotes:

0-99: Niche or a joke that only sort of landed 100-250: Average 250-400: Good post 500-999: GREAT post 1000+ : Hit post!

samus12345,

It’s been that way for a while now, but I don’t remember when I first noticed it.

banazir, do gaming w Everyone's favorite AAA company might be facing bankruptcy
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

And nothing of value will be lost.

Olgratin_Magmatoe, do gaming w Everyone's favorite AAA company might be facing bankruptcy

They need to get comfortable with losing their company.

finitebanjo, do gaming w How dare you stand where they stood?

Then theres back 4 blood with 6 or 7 of the original 190 people from Left 4 Dead, but they still claimed to be the same people who made it.

dditty,

Have you played B4B? I just learned about it from your comment but it looks good!

CaptPretentious,

There’s a reason there was big hype, and then it fell out of existence, with videos on YouTube dedicated to unraveling the truth…

Lennny,

It isn’t left 4 dead 3. Personally I disliked it and never finished the main campaign. The levels I did sucked. But it’s hard to beat the carnival from l4d2

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

More focus on character loadouts, no focus at all on levels. Compared to the campaign selections on L4D, it was a massive let down. They needed to drop the card system and just build more levels. Instead they made a bunch of skins and such.

_cryptagion, do games w I hate when a PC game is ONLY available on Epic Games store

Steam, Epic, GOG, it’s all the same to me. I’m not gonna fanboy over one platform and miss out on a game. That’s just ridiculous.

zexyqag, (edited )

I think don’t it’s as much fanboyism over steam and more unfanboyism over epic games

_cryptagion,

Still stupid as fuck, considering you don’t even need to use the Epic launcher for Epic games.

AustralianSimon,
@AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

That’s literally the point of their Launcher… DRM.

Honytawk,

You mean exactly like Steam?

_cryptagion,

No, that’s good DRM. You shouldn’t criticize the benevolent GabeN, may his corporate monopoly last forever.

Praise be!

/s

AustralianSimon,
@AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

And mods, friends, groups, community groups, server management and link to external games…

AustralianSimon,
@AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

Steam offers more than just DRM…

_cryptagion,

What’s your point? Why would that matter if I’m not using their launcher when I play games from the Epic store? Just don’t use the Epic launcher. It’s not rocket science.

TachyonTele,

I have a ton of games from Epic, haven’t used their launcher ever.

AustralianSimon,
@AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sorry but Epic is owned by Tencent. This means at any point in time, China’s Government can enforce trojans to be installed into your PC. Maybe not as relevant for you if you are not in a position of interest.

npr.org/…/china-intercepts-wechat-texts-from-u-s-…

It is known PC Launcher exclusives actually hurts the company and the game’s popularity.

pcgamer.com/epic-games-store-exclusives-apple-law…

While Steam is certainly not the good guy, they are not owned by a known Government organisation.

corbin,

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  • Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Tbh any stake is too much and I’ll try to reduce it if poasible (e.g. pihole for tracking urls).
    Rather I would prefer to own stake in tencent :p At least I get paid dividends.

    AustralianSimon,
    @AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

    I posted a link in my original comment about using WeChat to spy…

    Tencent owns 40% of Epic. That is very likely a controlling share which means being able to decide who is on the board and influence their decision making.

    www.thestockdork.com/who-owns-epic-games/

    _cryptagion,

    Tencent could own 100% of Epic, that doesn’t mean Epic is going to install malware on your PC for the Chinese government. That’s some top tier tinfoil bullshit. Nobody who lives in the US, which is where all the Epic employees and corporate overlords live, is going to risk going to prison for decades for espionage because their boss in China wants to steal data from gamers in the West.

    You’re out of your fucking mind.

    AustralianSimon,
    @AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

    Say that to WeChat.

    _cryptagion,

    Is WeChat used in the US? Why the fuck are you using a Chinese app as your example, you could have done better than that, you twatwaffle.

    _cryptagion,

    China can’t force Trojans to be installed on your PC. The fact that you believe that nonsense tells me you’re a fucking idiot.

    AustralianSimon, (edited )
    @AustralianSimon@lemmy.world avatar

    Mate, if you are dim enough to think an update can’t contain malicious code I have a heap of bridges to sell you.

    Given you probably don’t understand software security but it’s fairly common attack vector.

    hackerone.com/…/supply-chain-attacks-impact-examp…

    _cryptagion, (edited )

    I know an update can contain malicious code, I’m saying you’re an idiot for thinking Todd Sweeney is going to go to prison so that China can steal data from a bunch of fat sweaty dudes.

    Your comment is even more fucking idiotic when you consider Microsoft works with the NSA, and Recall will archive everything you do on your Windows PC for them to peruse at will without a warrant.

    Appoxo, (edited )
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Steam does provide good general dev services
    GOG preserves games and let’s you own game files without pesky DRM
    What does Epic do besides developing UE5 and harrassing the PC platform with exclusivity deals?

    Other dev-specific platforms like EA amd Uplay get a pass because they publish only their own games.

    Anti_Face_Weapon,

    This is it right here. Do not fanboy platform. Competition is very very important in this kind of market. But epic games is just the worst of all worlds.

    Release on GOG, I’ll buy it. If not, release on steam. Otherwise 🏴‍☠️

    _cryptagion,

    It’s not harassing me. I’ve bought Epic exclusives, and I’ll continue to do so if it’s a game I want to play. I always buy GOG first, Epic second (for exclusives), and Steam last, for anything else. This isn’t a problem for me.

    Appoxo,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Well this may be a just-you-and-someothers problem the general audience (on lemmy at least) disagrees.
    I am fine if devs sell on epic but not if it’s arbitrary exclusivity.
    I have bought on EA and uPlay but I would never consider them again if they pay (for example) Take2 if they would exclusive sell GTA6 on the EA store.

    brucethemoose, do games w I hate when a PC game is ONLY available on Epic Games store

    I get it being annoying… But why is it such a deal breaker? If the game is good, why not just install it, play the game, leave it when you’re done?

    The other storefronts have some cool features (namely gamepass for xbox and all of steamworks and the app stuff for steam), but it doesn’t really matter if the game doesn’t use em.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Speaking for myself, if it’s Epic only, it means I have no assurances as a customer that they’re going to keep letting me play the game on Linux. If I bought Alan Wake II, I’m doing so knowing that they don’t support my operating system and could break compatibility with Wine with any random update. If that happens on Steam, I can reasonably expect a refund if it was previously Verified, and because of the verification system, they also have an incentive not to break compatibility. So if I play Alan Wake II some day, it’ll be because it was a free giveaway on Epic, because I’m not paying for that.

    brucethemoose,

    Now this is a good reason.

    And random note, but I didn’t get a notification for this reply?

    Khanzarate,

    Sorry I forgot to send it, won’t happen again, boss.

    brucethemoose,

    What do you mean, are you on some client that has notifications disabled by default?

    Genuine fediverse noob here.

    dabaldeagul,
    @dabaldeagul@feddit.nl avatar

    The guy you’re replying to was joking, saying they are in charge of your notifications.

    Lemmy notifications depend on the client you’re using. I’m using Sync which is far from perfect with push notifs, usually they only pop up when I open the app.

    brucethemoose,

    I am just using the browser UI, and just mean the notifications on the site.

    Sometimes I get a reply with no notification even within Lemmy, and someone else said this happens to them too.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    I think sometimes they’re just slow, so you may have clicked into the thread before it found out you needed a notification. I’m not an expert though. It’s just a guess based on personal experience.

    brucethemoose,

    Its happened to me after a full day too.

    MudMan,

    Yeah, that's true on Steam as well.

    There are a whole bunch of games that actively removed compatibility with SteamOS, and Linux by extension. Apex Legends was the most recent and the most vocal about it.

    Zorque,

    That was on the developers, not the storefront, though. Epic has specifically decided they don’t give a flying fuck about Linux.

    MudMan,

    Well, you still don't get to play it, and you sure as hell aren't getting a refund, so I'm not entirely sure how that changes the situation at all.

    Zorque,

    … because now your weird obsession with blaming Steam for all things going wrong with gaming has less ground to stand on?

    MudMan,

    Because not having a game available is not having a game available. You still, and I can't believe I have to type this twice, don't get to play the stupid game.

    For the record, I blamed Steam for nothing here. Some guy said he feels more assured that Steam will keep Linux compatibility, I pointed out that this is not the case. It's not even Steam's fault, compatibility is being dropped either for technical reasons or due to anticheat, and there is no indication that it will be any different with Epic going forward.

    laurelraven,

    What they said, exactly:

    If that happens on Steam, I can reasonably expect a refund if it was previously Verified, and because of the verification system, they also have an incentive not to break compatibility.

    Emphasis mine.

    They didn’t say it won’t happen. They said they have far more confidence that it’ll be much less likely to happen. And that they have a reasonable expectation of refund if the developer pulls that.

    There are no guarantees here, but Valve has put a lot of time and effort into making Linux games work, and Epic has not. No, they can’t stop developers from pulling those stunts, but they’re no more happy about it than we are and, from everything I’ve been seeing, are actively working on getting developers to stop doing that.

    Also, the anticheat excuse is mostly a lie, the ones Destiny 2, Rust, and Apex Legends use are compatible with Linux, and just require, as I understand it, checking a box and including a file in a specific spot, so those are just outright anti Linux for the sake of hating Linux and Linux gamers.

    MudMan,

    Yeah, but that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? Because it's happened multiple times and nobody got anything refunded.

    So there is no meaningful incentive and no reasonable expectation, demonstrably.

    And, for the record, the Apex Legends guys at least didn't say they couldn't support Linux or the Deck. They used to, in fact. They actively pulled support because they said they saw disproportionately more cheating under those platforms. I have no idea if that's true, but it's certainly what they said. It sure doesn't sound like that'll change anytime soon, unless Windows enacts the same restrictions on Kernel-level access or Linux develops some equivalent.

    I'd say that's probably a distant priority over, I don't know, getting decent Nvidia support, but knowing the way Linux progresses that may absolutely not be true.

    laurelraven,

    Well, of the three I mentioned, 2 are free to play, and the other they did issue refunds for Linux players… Which ones were you thinking of?

    MudMan,

    Free to play games do take your money, though. Especially Destiny 2, which is a free to play game that happens to cost about sixty bucks a year. And Rust did offer a refund to users, but not because Valve made them do it (my understanding is they had to actually negotiate with Valve how that would even work). They issued a refund because they announced a native Linux client and then backed out of that promise.

    So yeah, no, I don't see what reasonable expectation for refunds there is, I don't see Valve having ever mentioned that Steam Deck compatibility being rolled back or removed would be grounds for a refund (at least outside their time limited no-cause refund policy) or that the reaction to compatibility changes with Proton or Linux would be any different across Epic, GOG or Valve at this point. Things may change if the Deck platform gets a lot bigger in the future and Valve decide to push for it as a closed environment, but that's not where we are.

    To your question, the other big game that comes to mind having done the same thing as Apex would be GTA V, which to my knowledge is still listed as "Unsupported" due to adding anticheat, despite initially working on Deck. And I guess you could count the FIFA franchise if you see it as a single game, because I think there was at least one of them supported on Deck before they rolled out Anticheat and all the newer ones have not been supported.

    So it's definitely not a one-off thing, and there has been no action from Valve.

    Kecessa, (edited )

    No, you see it’s different because Steam is love and Gabe is perfection, you know?

    MudMan,

    The level of quasi-religious fervor is... kind of scary. Especially given that it's over this one billionare techbro. I mean, good for them, they have a great product and a better understanding of how to make money with only light enshittification, but still...

    laurelraven,

    If and when they do something shitty, I’ll be right there with you calling them out for it, but I don’t see anything here that fits that description

    MudMan,

    Well, they refused to offer refunds for a long time after people like EA and GOG had already implemented it, and only relented when forced by regulators. And they screwed up their Green Light process for a long time despite every developer telling them it sucked. There's the ongoing use of loot boxes and monetized UGC, of course. Your tolerance for that one may vary.

    I think Valve makes very good software and good hardware, and they have a way better handle on where they can squeeze users versus side with them than pretty much anybody else in the industry.

    But, you know, they're a corpo ran by a reclusive techbro, they're still frequently sketchy.

    Which is also very much true of GOG and CD Projekt, for the record.

    stardust,

    I just save my money and play something else or buy something else. There’s more games than can be played that I’ve never felt like I was losing out by not buying a game from epic.

    brucethemoose,

    Right but I dont see how its anything but a minor annoyance.

    Like, if the game is really good… What is so bad about installing the epic client?

    stardust,

    I don’t have it installed. I claim through the website.

    pivot_root,

    Some perspective from someone vocally against Epic:

    They entered the market and tried to get their foot in the door not by providing a better service or experience to the consumers, but by being underhanded and anticompetitive while accusing their competition of being underhanded and anticompetitive. Add on that with the fact that their CEO lacks any sort of humility and integrity, and I simply do not trust them to give a single shit about me as a customer. If they achieved their goals, I’m confident that they would leverage their position to extract value out of me immediately—be it through ads, increased prices, or selling my data to third parties. I don’t want to support that by giving them any of money.

    While I don’t think Valve is my friend either, they at least:

    1. Have a history of doing things that provide some benefit to their users, even if its clearly out of self-interest.
    2. Aren’t publicly traded.
    brucethemoose,

    Epic Games is not publicly traded.

    And TBH their history with Unreal is not that bad. And Valve is already extracting a truckload of money out of us through their percentage cut.

    Carmack is absolutely a character though, lol. I have to wonder how controversial EGS would be without him.

    pivot_root,

    Fair point with neither being publicly traded. I should have been more clear on that.

    Unreal the engine, or the game series? From the perspective of a consumer, I don’t think either of them seem to be in good shape these days, unfortunately.

    Er… Carmarck is in Id. Epic’s founder and CEO is Tim Sweeney.

    brucethemoose,

    Ah yeah I meant Sweeny.

    Vespair,

    Some people prefer not to do business with entities whose business practices they don’t support.

    Soleos, do games w Why are $70 AAA games slashing prices so drastically?

    There are people willing to pay $80 for your game, $60, $40, $20, $10, and $5. You might be able get someone willing to pay $10 to pay $15 with good marketing, but you will never get them to pay $60. So when you’ve gone through most people willing to pay $60 and $40, you might as well go through the rest of the market. It doesn’t cost you that much more than you’re already spending on servers, so why not make that extra money.

    videogamesandbeer, do gaming w I'm a big Country music fan

    Unknown artist!?!? Show David Wise some respect please.

    donuts, do games w Gentlemen, it's with a great pleasure I inform you that Do Not Press The Button has hit 7000 wishlists

    Congrats on 7k!

    7k wishlists doesn’t directly translate to sales, but it can give you a good indication. Still, it’s good to be aware of the risks, and the consequences of this new, temporary life balance.

    Please keep taking care of yourself!

    Road_Warrior_10,

    Thank you! Yeah I’m not planning my future spending based on wishlists. I know that many things can go wrong. Some within my control and some out of it. In the end of the day I just want to say I did my best and worked as hard as I could. Will streamers play it? Will people buy it? I have no idea and no way to know really…

    donuts,

    Will streamers play it? Will people buy it? I have no idea and no way to know really…

    You can influence some of this directly, but yeah, there will be a lot of unknowns.

    In the end of the day I just want to say I did my best and worked as hard as I could.

    Valid and healthy goal! I do want to add: you can’t do everything yourself. Don’t be afraid to lean on your network to get help where possible. You can fill in some of those unknowns with resources from the indie scene, but that will also take time, effort and sometimes money.

    Road_Warrior_10,

    Thanks, I might look for someone who is actually good at 3D modelling for my next game. Having to everything just sucks.

    lefixxx,

    Send some keys around. Send one at “let’s game it out” (not sure it fits the content style tho)

    stardustpathsofglory, do gaming w Gotta love helpful steam forums
    @stardustpathsofglory@lemmy.world avatar

    Well, FDru did not mention what kind of data. For biological data the answer is correct. /s

    Venator,

    Except that he did specify saved data.

    JustZ, do games w OldUnreal team publishes installers for downloading Unreal Gold and Unreal Tournament from archive.org, with Epic Games's approval!
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    I really like the idea of this. I’m going to book mark the link and never click it.

    n3m37h, do gaming w This must be a wholesome family-friendly game

    Fkn best game ever, should have been in every house!

    PlantJam,

    What game is it?

    slazer2au,

    conker’s bad fur day

    Branch_Ranch,

    Can someone describe it?

    wizardbeard,
    @wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The team that made Banjo-Kazooie, a cutesy animal mascot platforming game, made another animal mascot platforming game that was as not child friendly as possible and had tons of references to pop culture media and movies at the time.

    One of your first goals is to cure your hangover. Along the way, you give laxatives to cows, collect bees to tickle a flower with big boobs to stop covering them up so you can use them as a jump pad, murder living teddy bears filled with meat in a war, have a boss battle against a giant opera singing pile of shit (probably the most well known scene of the game, the great mighty poo), and more. It was shocking for the N64 era, and they really worked some programming magic to get absolutely every ounce of power they could out of it.

    If you have xbox gamepass, it’s included in Rare Replay (which at least used to be part of gamepass).

    Cort,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bde8aa2f-2b44-4b25-a016-f162d2b2d078.gif

    It’s been years since I played, but I remember one of the bosses being a literal pile of shit who did a song and dance number.

    RubberElectrons,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    100% lmfao

    Daze,

    long, clunky, banjo-kazooie-like (hub world with levels in order). 💰is king and conker needs it. there’s a villain somewhere in there but who cares.

    begins with silly squirrel garden shenanigans, turns into modern-day (at the time) pop-cultural references, ends with

    SERIOUS END OF GAME SPOILERS, LIKE ALL OF THEMre-enacting the horrors of D-Day ala Saving Private Ryan, then the Matrix, then its Alien.

    Worst best game ever 10/10

    e: Oh there’s also lots of curse words. and titties sometimes. weird, strange, glorious flower titties. It’s creative, mom!!!

    TachyonTele,

    It’s so weird when an old game or show does a skit referencing the Matrix. The first movie does not seem like it’s that old, but then all the pop culture it created makes you realize it was a quarter century ago.

    Weirdly, anything with Saving Private Ryan in the same way just seems natural.

    Daze, (edited )

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/7c5307a2-77a0-4a16-955f-5c94993487fe.gif

    e: You’re actually right with that second point. Huh.

    ZeffSyde, do gaming w Why Waluigi is evil

    Waluigi Snap! Like Pokemon Snap! , but more of a stealth game where Waluigi creeps around taking candid photos of other characters. Bonuses I’d they successfully steal small trophies from the characters and sneak back to the white Waluigi Van undetected.

    asexualchangeling,

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  • AbsoluteChicagoDog,

    It’s morally required to pirate Nintendo games now so you’ll get your chance to play it

    ZeffSyde,

    And thus, the legally distinct, Xaluigi was born, along with his Xastro-van.

    RiQuY, do games w 7 days to die is no longer Early Access, but still looks like this

    I don’t think the bad graphics are a fair complaint but the ugly ass UI or the game making my PC blow like a military air jet while still looking like poop, (after 10 years) maybe that’s the real problem.

    And no, my PC is not under specs, I can play Cyberpunk 2077 or similar games just fine.

    mormund, do gaming w Maybe from 2005 to about 2013?

    Ah the dark days before PBR… If only gameplay had also evolved with graphics.

    Albbi,

    Before the Professional Bull Riders drank Pabst Blue Ribbon while shooting at Point Blank Range?

    bjoern_tantau, (edited )
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Physics based rendering. Basically good texture shaders that work like materials work in the real world. Since that has been developed artists working with computer graphics in movies and games more or less don’t have to worry about making something look realistic.

    Every texture has values for color, reflectivity, subsurface scattering, fresnel, roughness and probably a ton more values I forgot. That gives you everything real light does when hitting a surface.

    I think Wreck it Ralph was one of the first movies to use the techniques. I remember reading something to that effect alongside tutorials on how to get PBR into Blender. I think it took very little time for PBR to get into basically every graphics software. And nowadays when you buy textures they all come with different textures to set the correct values for PBR.

    rhombus,

    I don’t think PBR would have saved these games from the awful post-processing. These are just examples of really bad color grading.

    The_Picard_Maneuver,
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