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ClockNimble, do gaming w God I feel so bad for y'all

I’ve found having trained a deeper man voice helps deflect pretty hard.

diffcalculus,

Ok, Elizabeth Holmes

platypus_plumba,

There are voice modulators that make women sound like males. That’d be easier.

sukhmel,

I’m now thinking that maybe male players should randomly use voice modulators to make it harder to assume someone’s gender

But yeah, situation and community is a bit fucked up, and part of why I tend to only interact with my friends on-line

onlinepersona, do gaming w God I feel so bad for y'all

TL;DR you aren’t being targeted because you’re a woman. It’s because you game

I explained this to another person before: many gamers are too competitive for their own good. That means they want to win at nigh any cost. A simple “tactic” is make the other team make mistakes by influencing them. The best way to do so at a distance is by breaking their spirit. So you act like any attacker: you find weaknesses, attack vectors, ways to inflict psychological pain.

Most of the time there are very few things you know about the enemy besides their pseudonym. So you attack them with bog standard things, generic things, because they are generic. However, every tiny thing you find out about them increases the attack surface. Their location, their voice, typing speed, character choice, character set (colors, theme, items, …), etc. Perceived gender is just on other thing to add to the list.

Of course, if the gamer is losing, they are never the problem. Fault lies in others. Hence, even team mates become the enemy and the same rules apply. “If only everyone were like perfect like me, we would win”.

It doesn’t help that online gaming is just another digital activity. People behave worse when they can dehumanize the other party and that’s what the internet does. It makes it easier to act worse. Additionally, gamers who spend a lot of time online, are not good at socializing, hence the chance of them having a partner is lower than average. To make matters worse, spending so much time in such toxic communities only propagates the behavior.

Even if the sex split were 50/50, each gender were represented equally, or the gaming space were dominated by non-males: they are just as human and I bet the problem of toxicity would persist. Humans are nasty, disgusting, and evil. We are mostly egoistic, self-centered beings that socialize because it helped us survive for millennia. However, that need to socialize is dwindling quickly.

If we want to tackle toxicity in gaming, there are many, many things outside of gaming that play a role which make it impossible to conceive a gaming only solution.

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flicker,

I think your point of view is interesting but flawed. It’s very obvious you’re not a woman, frankly. I’ve been playing video games since I was a child, and the absolute truth is, women absolutely face more harassment than male counterparts. That’s a blog, but it links multiple studies, and you’re welcome to review them yourself.

I’ve often found the argument that you’re making is usually the Call of Duty defense (“it’s not that gamers are racist, it’s just that once we know your race, that’s what we attack”) and it’s often used by the privileged to try and claim that everyone is a target, everyone is a victim, if you can’t handle it then stop playing.

onlinepersona,

Oh no, there are definitely racist and misogynist gamers out there, no doubt. It’s just that women are easily identifiable by their voice (or being confused for 10 year old kids), which stands out. It’s the same as having another skin color, get-up, car, that the majority of your area - it stands out.

The article you posted doesn’t mention (nor link to a study) about how harassment changed with voice changers, which I would be interested in. My guess would be that it becomes comparable to that experienced by male or male sounding gamers - which the article doesn’t mention either.

It’s very obvious you’re not a woman, frankly.

I actually quit playing online games with people who aren’t friends and when I did, the mic was mostly off + other players were muted very often. Do you still think I’m not a woman?

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flicker,

The research examined how gamers reacted to female versus male voices in an online game. Using statements designed to be neutral and inoffensive, female voices were found to receive considerably more negative reactions, resulting in three times more negative comments than male voices.

This is a massive problem and isn’t somehow equally terrible to the idea that harassment will happen towards anyone based on what others can discern when they hear you. Women’s voices are targeted in a way other statistical data is not.

As for voice changer information, I found some with a cursory google search, but I realized that wasn’t the point I was making, it was information you’re interested in, and you’re welcome to find that. It’s equally damning to what I’ve said.

ETA; I don’t think you are. If you’re a woman, you should probably disclose in your post challenging people to use a voice modulator to sound like a woman. Because it reads like a man posting it as an interesting challenge, and not a woman challenging men.

w3dd1e,

Some male pro Valorant players did an experiment with voice changers. They basically came to the conclusion that the came is almost unplayable as a woman.

Male Valorant Pros Experience Misogyny While Using Voice Changer

Link to Youtube Video (Native Language is Spanish)

DriftinGrifter,

Did the same thing for CS:go 2 not mich oft a difference tbh lotsa Slurs either way lol

w3dd1e,

I can’t speak for the CS:Go version. Haven’t seen it. But I will say, part of one Valorant player’s complaints wasn’t just the things others call you, it’s also the fact that they aren’t willing to play with you at all. Your teammates are actively hostile with you and aren’t willing to even try to cooperate in a team based game.

DriftinGrifter,

And i thought CS Bad the biggest incels

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Well, in CS:GO swearing is native language

onlinepersona,

I referenced the same thing in another post! :)

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ParsnipWitch,

I play video games for over 30 years now. To believe there is no targeted harassment against women in gaming is frankly ridiculous.

LANs back then were a nightmare. I got a voice modulator a few years in after starting playing online, just to make it stop. I got death and rape threads and multiple stalkers, one who followed me throughout Steam and one who even tried to dox me. I had to change Realm on WoW because of a stalker from my previous guild.

And that’s only the obviously bad stuff. Microaggrssions and sexist behaviour is rampant in many communities. You really have to search for a community with people who make an effort to not engage in that behaviour. Lots of women in those.

tocopherol,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve seen this harassment all the time in non-competitive games though. Even on the PS3 playing GTAIV, when my character was a woman, people would follow me, two different times people added me, no one had when I was a male character. One of them messaged me asking if I was actually a woman lol. Obviously this is just anecdotal, but there are plenty of stats about this sort of thing.

If your view is that most people are self-centered and nasty I think you maybe need to socialize with different people. Like you said the anonymity of the internet dehumanizes people and encourages more toxic behavior, I don’t believe most people really are so toxic though.

onlinepersona,

If your view is that most people are self-centered and nasty I think you maybe need to socialize with different people. Like you said the anonymity of the internet dehumanizes people and encourages more toxic behavior, I don’t believe most people really are so toxic though.

It comes from real life experience. Growing up where I did was eye-opening to human misery and cruelty. Sadly, other people had it even worse than I did. I’ll stop there before I get too negative.

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GilgameshCatBeard,

It’s because a lot of incels are gamers.

GluWu, do gaming w Only $1000? Pfft

Just don’t have insurance. They come after you but after they get enough(~$1k) they’ll leave you alone. My current dentist charges a max of $1k to people who are out of pocket. I got all 4 of my wisdom teeth out with conscience sedation for $1k flat. I worked in IT/DB at a dentist for a few years and people were paying $2-3k for the same with insurance.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I paid probably a ¼ of that in Germany. If even.

The sedation was probably more expensive than the removal (for me)

onlinepersona, do gaming w Nothing but greed

The video game industry if it used opensource game engines.

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Shake747,

Godot!

superduperenigma,

The virgin open-source engine game dev

vs

The chad Chris Sawyer, rawdogging Rollercoaster Tycoon’s development in Assembly Language

Tolstoy, do games w The Weekly 'What are you playing?' Discussion
@Tolstoy@lemmy.world avatar

Portal Revolution for me. I’m at chapter 4 and the Mod feels like a whole complete game. Totally worth trying and if you don’t have portal 2, 1+2 are on discount right now.

kylie_kraft, do gaming w So much effort... wasted...

if you’re going to do this shit, you at least have to include Mario’s mustache smh

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

While I agree, I’m really enjoying Toad Trump lmao

wahming, do games w I got to play Terra Nil, and here is my two cents on it

The game is sitting at 1.7 stars on Google play. What’s with the disconnect between the reviews and the comments here?

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Mobile vs PC.

Looking at those low reviews from the Play Store the most common complaint is poor controls and difficulty selecting exactly what you want with the touch screen.

the16bitgamer,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

This. I didn’t even know there was an Android port

Ephera,

Well, it’s available on lots of platforms. Maybe the Android version isn’t working so well for people…?

vanquesse,

the reviews used for the star rating is picked based on similarity to “you”, so looking at the same app from different locations or from different devices will produce different scores. Still, 1.7 is extremely low

pewgar_seemsimandroid, do gaming w Fitting gaming into your schedule

make work 40 seconds

Transporter_Room_3, do gaming w Honor you my fellow Regents
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Sure, there are other transporter rooms.

But we all know which one is the best. Just ask the most important person in starfleet history.

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

I just question why they have to use those rooms at all when they have the ability to do a site-to-site transport. Just beam my ass from the bridge; the fuck do I gotta walk down to another room for?

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

From my understanding, there’s more risk involved in site-to-site than actually stepping on the pad.

Way less if you’re going from pad to pad.

When my atoms are being scattered across space, you bet I’d rather walk to the transporter room. I’d prefer a shuttle though.

something something bones

Davel23,

You are correct. By the TNG era site-to-site transport had become reliable enough that it could be used as needed, but having a pad at one end or the other (or both) of a transport was still safer. It was also more energy-efficient, though that's less of a concern.

Transporter_Room_3,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Always a good idea to make things efficient, but “the transporters take too much power” is a sentence you will never hear on a galaxy class at least. Those monsters had insane power generation capability.

XTornado, do gaming w Bastard raccoon man

I would also be surprised as I do not think that is possible in one night.

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

It is a meme.

XTornado,

Yeah I know thanks for pointing the obvious.

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

Clearly wasn’t that obvious when you’re nitpicking it and going “Um, actually…”

SupraMario,

I got a laugh out of it. Dunno what this other guy’s problem is but was funny to me.

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

If someone doesn’t like it, that’s fine. Just really weird behavior to try and correct a meme. Like… I don’t get it. Just feels like some narcissistic “Well I didn’t like it, no one else is allowed to either” type bullshit. This type of behavior is also insanely common across Lemmy. Most of my meme posts have people doing this shit. I had to put a reminder on one of my posts a while ago to remind people that it was a meme because they were getting so bitter in the comments.

meliaesc,

I believe there is a high percentage of autistic/neurodivergent people on lemmy… I’ve noticed a lot of awkward comments too.

Stamets,
@Stamets@lemmy.world avatar

I mean… not sure there’s a correlation there. Also just slightly offensive. Plenty of neurotypical people who are just as arrogant and self absorbed. Being on the spectrum has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Source: I am literally autistic.

meliaesc,

I didn’t mean any offense, I apologize. What’s interesting is that you interpreted it as arrogant, where I saw it as lack of social awareness… nitpicking a meme and “thinking out loud” comes across as awkward to me, personally.

XTornado, (edited )

As I stated I wasn’t correcting the meme. Nor criticing it in anyway.

XTornado,

No problem at all, as I said in my other comment I wasn’t criticing the meme at all I was just thinking out loud that I would probably be surprised too as I don’t think is possible. The meme is funny anyway.

XTornado,

It wasn’t an Uhm actually. It was just me thinking about it out loud. The meme is funny any way I wasn’t criticing the meme.

SgtAStrawberry,

You can quite easily get 500 000 a night if you put your mind to it, even easier if Flick or CJ is on the Island.

getseclectic,

According to some data I collected, you can make ~2300 bells/min diving, which means 500k would take a little less than 4 hours.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…/edit?usp=drivesd…

XTornado,

Oh cool, I didn’t know that.

morphballganon, do games w i made a speadsheet to get through my backlog a while ago and today i hit my milestone for the year.

Zelda 3 == ALttP?

Druid_,
@Druid_@lemmy.world avatar

yep. i’ll be playing the pc port on my steamdeck.

samus12345, do gaming w The rainbows are nice...
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called a road, it’s called a Rainbow Road

It is a road that you go

https://media.tenor.com/QquDJM3Y97YAAAAd/rainbow-road.gif

Fades, do games w God of War Ragnarok: Valhalla FREE DLC

Wow I have heard absolutely nothing about this until now, has there been no marketing for this or have I just been out of the loop??

ASaltPepper,
@ASaltPepper@lemmy.one avatar

I’m pretty sure you’re not as out of the loop as you think.

Hildegarde,

I’m pretty sure this is the announcement. The game awards is an event where things are often announced.

Can’t have an expensive award show without someone paying the expenses.

Qwazpoi, do games w What a random person on the internet thought of Grant, Lee, Sherman: Civil War Generals 2

Outstanding review

Unreliable, do gaming w People really hold their mouse like that?!

Claw… My hands are too goddamn big…

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