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whenigrowup356, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Yeah, don’t expect funding for AAA games!

Wait…

Orphan,

To the contrary, they had to pay to have the IP

dmmeyournudes, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Just ignore the day 1 DLC.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

What day 1 DLC? The Deluxe edition cosmetic stuff?

dmmeyournudes,

That’s called a micro transaction, yes.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

Just clarifying what you meant. I thought I missed something. DLC to my mind is like... an extra race or somthing a bit more relevant than purely cosmetic stuff. Not going to argue semantics here, fair enough to call that a micro transaction and it's certainly DLC.

dmmeyournudes,

“no additional purchases” their words, not mine.

AlteredStateBlob,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

I'm not even disagreeing with you and that quote didn't show up anywhere in this thread? But alright, you do you.

dmmeyournudes,

the developers made the claim.

SCB,

That’s a courtesy for people who didn’t pre-order but want the dice cosmetic. It was originally a pre-order exclusive but they changed it when asked to.

dmmeyournudes,

“no additional purchases” their words, not mine.

SCB,

This is a really stupid hill to die on my man

dmmeyournudes,

they’re the one making the claims, not me.

SCB,

But you are the one tilting at this windmill.

stillwater,

What’s the transaction?

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

$10 purchase for soundtrack, dice skin and some DSO2 cosmetics that everyone who bought the game in early access gets. This allows everyone else to purchase.

stillwater,

So if you don’t get the soundtrack, there’s no transaction?

mojo,

What one of those items prevents you from having enjoyment in the game? You just start with a lil cool cosmetic cape. It’s not a battle pass.

ObsidianBlk,
@ObsidianBlk@lemmy.world avatar

Even excluding the cosmetics, this DLC includes the soundtrack. I haven’t purchased it myself (yet), but I’d imagine that a soundtrack to a game with over 200 hours of cinematic would be rather extensive (again, I have not seen it, so I don’t know). Even if it’s only 30 to 40 minutes of music, at $10, that’s at least on par with the cost of most albums anywhere else. I feel it’s got to be more than only 30ish minutes of music, though, so, for the album alone the price seems legit.

OrgunDonor,

Just to add more information about the sound track, it is 43 tracks in both MP3 and WAV formats. The runtime of those 43 tracks is 2:26:57.

joe,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

You consider DLC a microtransaction?

Edit: Maybe I’m just too old, but I thought microtransactions were something you get prompted to purchase while playing the game. Is that no longer the case?

Nipah,
@Nipah@kbin.social avatar

Microtransactions are 'small' purchases made in a game (or via some kind of store that allows you to buy stuff to be used inside of a game).

DLC is any additional downloadable content that is not included with the game (so something like a day 1 patch wouldn't be considered DLC, I'd say).

All microtransations are DLC, but not all DLC are microtransactions, generally (before someone comes along with some kind of physical microtransaction or something I guess)

I personally just view microtransations as anything that isn't 'playable content'. So buying a mount from an in-game store would be a microtransaction, while buying an expansion wouldn't be. Map packs kind of blur the line in this instance, because one could argue that they're essentially 'world cosmetics', but its a hard and fast rule and not something I'd try to enforce as a law, ya know?

joe,
@joe@lemmy.world avatar

It’s clear that there are multiple different definitions that people have for “microtransactions”. I think it’s safe to assume that larian has a definition similar to mine. No time in the game that I’ve noticed did I get prompted to buy the DLC. In fact, I didn’t buy it; it seems early access people got it for free.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

It's the soundtrack and some DSO2 cosmetics that everyone who bought the game during early access got for free. They're selling it to everyone else for $10.

Technically it's DLC, not MTX as MTX almost always entails individual purchases of items, usually in-game. It's more of a Collector's Edition than anything. That no one seems to care about, even the people who detest predatory practices.

dmmeyournudes,

There are items with in game power in that bundle.

Neato,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Do you mean the Mask of the Shapeshifter? That allows, once per long rest, to change appearance to another random character. Effectively a Disguise Self cast.

There's also the dagger that's 4-7 weapon. But I replaced that before I even dealt with the goblin camp. There's so many magic items I wasn't worried about it.

The biggest coup is the hat and cape. They offer no bonuses but they look so fly I'm probably never taking them off.

HellAwaits, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Honestly, this kind of pleading from the other AAA developers is just making them look pathetic. Yes, it’s reasonable not to expect BG3 for every AAA games, but it’s not because of time and money, but simply because developers are just not always going to make lightning strike twice. But these devs have plenty of time and money and they look terrible in comparison to a dev that took it’s time to make sure it was well polished before release.

pachrist,

Exactly. Every new game doesn’t have to be an instant classic that breaks new ground. But they should be functional, playable, and have enough polish to be considered finished. That doesn’t necessarily mean bug free, but we all know what a finished game looks like, and what one doesn’t.

The worst one I’ve ever personally played was the Lego Hobbit game. My wife and I used to line up kamikaze shots and play Lego games, figuring a child and a drunk adult were about the same level. The game stops when Smaug flies out of the mountain. Roll credits. I guess the last movie did so poorly that they never bothered making the rest of the game.

Karyoplasma,

For ages, AAA games were classed as such by brand recognition, not by quality. Inevitably, they devolved into being just a platform to sell microtransactions. The shareholders want their dividents and the CEO needs a new yacht with coke and hookers.

It’s too easy to exploit the dopamine rush playing the new, official installment of a well-known series. Even if it’s terrible, the customers get their joy by ranting about how trash the game is and how they hope the next one will be better. BG3 being an actual game does not change anything and will not reset expectations.

Gork,

That’s sad because TT’s games were quite good, I think they hit their apex at Lego Marvel Superheroes 1. Awesome open world, a ton of characters, and lots of exploration in addition to the normal level quests.

Xanvial, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Tencent owns 30% of Larian iirc, so most likely from them

Frogster8,

Interesting I didn’t know that, how long have they owned 30%?

This post is a bit reminiscent of r/gamercirclejerk but at least your comment taught me something new and salvaged it

Xanvial,

Not sure, at least since 2021 twitter.com/GamerTrader1/…/1431899588324175873

crypticthree,

Well someone posted a screenshot on Twitter so it must be true…

mojo,

Okay but an actual source?

Or is this a “trust me bro” thing

Xanvial,
SturgiesYrFase,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

☝️ This guy Sources!

Steeve,

A source on Lemmy? Don’t be ridiculous!

dog,

Owned, unless you have proof they still do.

Edit: Looked it up a bit, the shares are 70% Sven and wife, 30% Tencent. Honestly not too bad considering at the time those shares were sold, Larian was almost bankrupt.

GONADS125,

Love seeing you edit your comment and correct yourself/validate the other user’s statement. Breathe of fresh air from the toxic doubling-down 99% of the time on reddit.

MindSkipperBro12,

Time to kneel down and pray to our future Chinese Overlords, for they are everywhere and everything.

Num10ck,

nah their demographics are doomed

Jerrimu2,

Why?

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

Because they’re having less babies than is needed to maintain or grow their population

2.1 babies/woman is about what’s needed to maintain a population, China was at 1.09 last year

mojo,

Some religious extremists try to argue abortion is bad, but really it’s bad when we cut a person up into 1/10ths. Strangely silent, hmmm.

Zoboomafoo,
@Zoboomafoo@yiffit.net avatar

Chopping up babies has biblical precedent

Num10ck,

their 1 Child per family policy for decades has left them with a gigantic pile of elderly and not nearly enough working age people to support them. not to mention the young people have no training on how to support their infrastructure or manufacturing tools.

Notorious_handholder,

This doesn’t even mention the gender ration disparity either that is going to hit even harder as well for them. China is gonna have even more issues in the next few decades

MindSkipperBro12,

I’ve also heard that they abort mostly female fetuses compared to male fetuses. Don’t know why, culture or something, but could also be a lie.

Num10ck,

because if you can only have 1 child to support the family in the future you need to have the one that gets educated and paid. it went on for decades. if you search youtube for the word ‘china’ theres countless recent explanations of the various ways they are collapsing.

kn0wmad1c, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭
@kn0wmad1c@programming.dev avatar

The one thing that Shawn forgot to say is “Larian’s boardrooms aren’t filled with people who don’t play video games!!”

Gogogadget,

It's mostly owned by Sven, who is obviously very passionate about video games, storytelling, and tactical rpgs.

Anticorp, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

New expectations? Lol. These were always the expectations!

Invertedouroboros,

That’s what I don’t get. These are expectations that I’ve had for years. The indie space has kinda proven that creativity will take a game a hell of a lot farther than cash ever will. With few exceptions I simply don’t buy AAA games anymore because honestly I just don’t expect the same level of effort will be put into making them.

GreenMario, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Wizards of the coast paid $0 to fund this game, that’s why it says Larian in the publisher field on Steam and not WoTC or Hasbro.

Fylkir,

Although they probably got some good sweet Nvidia dollars.

FrostKing, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

AAA companies: Makes bad game and releases apology promising to make good games now

Also AAA companies: We are not capable of making good games, stop expecting to much.

Koen967, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Well Shawn. How about this is the new standard for AAA games and if you can’t reach it than you are a AA studio at most.

TheSealStartedIt,

We should make sure to label games exactly like this. Beta at release? Depending on microtransactions? -> It’s an AA game at most, no matter the production costs.

Syo,
@Syo@kbin.social avatar

Even more ironic. Larian started BG3 6 years ago, or when they were still arguably AA studio.

dudewitbow, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

If devs actually think all 800k active players + the ones who pirated it all play DND, then they have another guess coming. Most of them probably have never touched a Handbook

defluo, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

I find it sad that if you make a decent game now you are praised. It’s not that good. That’s just how low the bar is now.

Akasazh, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭
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He should’ve stayed on VACATION, imho

JoYo, do games w Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

you mean they got the D&D license for free?

legion, do games w Madden should not be 70$
@legion@lemmy.world avatar

Anytime I consider buying a Madden game, I watch a YouTube video of competitive play for the latest version. It always reveals how garbage the football sim part is. It’s all audibles and hot route spam and exploiting the useless AI in the same ways over and over again.

I’ll never buy a Madden game while all that crap is in there. They should make it so that spamming audibles and hot routes causes players to blow assignments and false start all the time, but the average “competitive” Madden player would probably die from nonstop crying and pants-soiling if EA did anything like that.

Mdotaut801,

That’s actually a brilliant solution. Wanna spam audibles? Flag, false start. Or like you said, botched assignments, perhaps a lineman fucks a protection and you take a sack.

Madden games are such trash, the last one I touched had Peyton Hillis on the cover. I’ve always assumed they’re still ass. I truly don’t know how people play sports games in general.

Katana314,

I don’t know what audibles are, but I’ve become increasingly interested in action-strategy type games that find ways to directly punish players that have high Actions Per Minute, encouraging people to take fewer, more deliberate movements. Kinda like combo rhythm in Arkham, rather than mashing X to attack.

Aceticon, do games w Madden should not be 70$

If people buy it anyway at the full price, then the game publisher will correctly deduce that it indeed worth at least that much money for enough people (otherwise those people would not part ways with that much money to get it) to get that game as soon as it comes out.

In Economics, perfect pricing (which is not yet possible but, damn, they’re really trying hard) from the point of view of a seller (i.e. for maximum profits) is when they get exactly as much money from each individual as that person is willing to pay for it, so the “ideal” world for them would be individually-tailored prices going as high as it could possibly go for each person whilst still managing to sell to that person.

As they can’t as of yet sell at different prices to each and every individual, they’ve gone as far as they can (regional pricing, different prices in different stores with different audiences and, maybe more importantly, time-from-publishing pricing) and then push prices up and up slowly whilst checking if in total the price increase has yielded more money or not (they have no issue with loosing customers due to higher prices if in total they still make more money at the price point than at a lower price point).

IMHO, in the face of this, the easist and best reaction for somebody who wants the game but does not think it’s worth $70, is to wait until the price falls down to how much they’re willing to pay for it (even better, let it fall some more and buy a couple more games with the savings). In fact if enough people do it the price will fall much faster as the publisher’s sales data analysis will signal to them that they’ve put the game at too high a price point and they’ll lower it trying to pick up the “money left on the table” from those who are interested but not at that price point before those people lose interest.

themajesticdodo,

Wow. Please tell me more about this capitalistic wizardry. This comment just wasn’t quite excessively detailed enough.

Aceticon,

So you just had to write what in your eyes is “obvious” for everybody as a comment, which hence is redundant, about how some other comment is “redundant and obvious”…

Oh, the irony!!!

themajesticdodo,

According to economics, you’re not as smart as you think.

TommySalami,

Jokes on them, my limit is wildly low compared to this. Most sports games are worth 20 bucks max at this point, the main content is just reskinned gameplay with updated stats and an unnecessary twist on controls. Its DLC.

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