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DebatableRaccoon, (edited ) do gaming w Square Enix Wants To Make Fewer Games – New CEO Takashi Kiryu wants to focus on making AAA and indie titles and marketing those titles better

Now that is a business strategy. Just make them ownable and not all looter shooters and people will probably buy them

Edit: typing whoopsie

TwilightVulpine, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

Most digital gaming stores are, except GOG and ItchIO. Even consoles are trying to push things that way. XBox has Game Pass and Playstation released a version of their console with no disc reader. Subscriptions may seem more fleeting that digital purchases but in actuality we've seen how companies can take down purchased media and entire digital storefronts.

I have purchased more Steam games than it would be sensible but as companies lose any qualm to take purchases away from customers, if anyone wants any any guarantee of ownership they really need to buy DRM-free and back them up independently.

jarfil,

Games using Steam’s DRM, have the benefit that if Steam ever goes down, there would be a massive amount of people interested in breaking it to free all the games at once.

It actually happens all the time, but Steam can roll out new “patched” versions of the DRM as long as it stays in business.

They are also aware of this, and even have promised to release a DRM bypass if they’re ever about to close shop… but in practice it wouldn’t really matter; whatever last version of the DRM they ever release, will get broken in record time.

HarkMahlberg,
@HarkMahlberg@kbin.social avatar

I think more likely than Valve going under is Valve getting bought or going public. Both would result in the new owner (a megacorp in their own right, or greedy shareholders, respectively) turning the system into shit to squeeze more money out of it. And new DRM would be foisted onto the system regardless.

jarfil,

That’s a possibility. Then again, Steam games are getting stripped of DRM right now (and possibly enhanced with some malware), so the moment the value proposition of just installing Steam and not having to do anything else goes down, it’s likely for generic DRM strippers to appear, at least for older versions.

LoamImprovement, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

Imagine a company telling you that you should get used to not owning the things you buy when arguably the most popular game in their most popular franchise is about being a literal fucking pirate.

Sivick314, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games
@Sivick314@universeodon.com avatar

@ylai fuck ubisoft. They haven't made a decent game since black flag.

Weslee, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

If paying full price and obtaining a digital copy isn’t ownership, then taking that digital copy without paying can’t be stealing can it?

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

I legit wonder what would happen if this argument is used ( in a professional way by a professional lawyer ) in a court of law. Like, could this legit be argued to be the same?

DebatableRaccoon,

I don’t see it going well but I’d love to see it happen. “One rule for ye, another for me” and all that

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Ye, same haha

Spiralvortexisalie,

NAL but technically speaking Ubisoft would lose because they would be unable to prove that they were deprived of anything or anything was appropriated from them with their current stance. Realistically they would just pivot and find some other nonsense to try, like claiming a theft of their computer server’s processing power everytime a pirated game accessed their lobby or some other nonsense that would barely fly, but fly none the less.

derpgon,

What if the game was purely offline? Also, how can a pirated game access online lobbies? The last time I pirated a game was because Epic had a BL3 exclusive. And I couldn’t matchmake.

I wonder who would have to prove what. Ubi, that they missed profit (because you’d want to buy the game and didn’t) or the player (who’d argue he wouldn’t ever buy it anyway).

Spiralvortexisalie,

Well the moving party has to prove their allegations, aka Ubisoft moving to sue you means they have to prove everything they say. Since their stated public position is that they are sole owner at all times irregardless of circumstances, they would be legally barred (estoppel) from arguing that any one could hurt their possessory interest (rights and share of ownership). They essentially would have to shift the argument over, similar to a theft of service argument (not paying a train fare is a crime but you didn’t steal a train or turnstile). The question then becomes what service does ubisoft provide? Online servers that do content distribution seem to be the only thing. If you got it on the high seas you never hit their network, so all I see left with my hypothetical napkin math is all that random network traffic ubisoft games seem to always have (even offline).

derpgon,

Thanks, interesting, I am almost tempted to taunt Ubi that I pirated their game and try to get sued lmao.

Seudo,

Bravo.

mateomaui,

There’s a number of cracked games now with online play enabled, you just need to make a burner Steam (etc) account to use it so your main one with purchases doesn’t get nuked if they catch on.

Katana314,

I’m not sure how you drew this conclusion, since most people I know consider paying full price to obtain a digital copy to be extremely close to ownership.

I liked Telltale’s Law and Order series. They can’t sell it anymore, but I can still download my digital copy because I bought it full price.

The whole argument in the article is about monthly subscription rentals.

nickhammes,

When a contract ending almost caused Sony to remove all Discovery content from users last year, including digital copies of things people had paid full price for, the cracks between buying a digital license and actually owning something that can’t be taken away became more visible to a chunk of people. It’s something, but it’s not ownership, and it can be taken away based on agreements you may have no way of gaining insight into.

Seudo, (edited )

Audible is open about it. Well, if you dig through the fine print. Easy enough to rip copies but I’d say most people only realise they need to when they loose access. Maybe not, but $30 for an audiobook seems like pretty shity value if you’re only renting it untill you cancel your subscription.

E: I might be misinformed/ outdated.

phillaholic,

You keep the audiobooks you’ve paid for directly with credits when you cancel.

hightrix,

Piracy is never stealing.

SocialMediaRefugee,

Piracy by definition is stealing.

hightrix,

No. It is not. If you’d like a crime to compare it to, forgery would be more accurate.

phillaholic,

Forgery usually involves submitting what you faked to some other entity in order to do something. Maybe if you illegally copied and sold that music. Regardless the penalties are similar anyway.

mlg,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

the unauthorized use of another’s production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright

Piracy can often invovle legally obtained items or even bypassing item bans.

You pirate a movie by taking a real copy and sharing it with others over the internet by making more copies or by making it copyable.

Stealing a movie would be taking the real copy without paying for it.

You could both steal and pirate the movie, but in the context of modern media, the source material is usually obtained legally.

That’s why most torrents usually have the source in the title to show what it was taken from (DVD, BluRay, WEBRiP, WEB-DL, etc).

EastSideRock,

Piracy by definition is sharing

onlooker,
@onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

Incorrect. Last I checked, theft is depriving the original owner of their product or service. When it comes down to it, piracy is essentially making an illegal copy, meaning the original is still there.

TheAnonymouseJoker, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

I want Ubisoft to be comfortable with the fact that they cannot earn money increasingly every quarter, and they will fall off the cliff very hard.

doggle, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

I’ve been quite comfortable with not owning any new Ubisoft games for a few years now

The_Helmet_Stays_On, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

Hehehe no

Yerbouti, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

We already don’t own our games, because we can’t sell them. We used to be able to sell and exchange games, but with digital platforms like steam, we don’t have the right to sell them anymore, meaning we only bought the right to play the game, not owning it.

slaacaa,

You still can, that’s why - outside of a few exceptions - I only buy console games on disc, and sell them later

JackbyDev,

Not that there are many pro NFT folks here, but even with that approach it’s still just a transferrable license that they can change to be meaningless.

Seudo,

Can’t sell your organs either… Well, not easily.

Seudo, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

Worked for books and Audible!

thoro, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

This is the direction the big companies are looking to move in. This is the direction Microsoft is banking on, too. Even if you like one service more, the end result may be the same. It’s a matter of time before we see subscription exclusives.

GamePass subscribers are the pre-orderers and mtx consumers of yesteryear, normalizing the industry to practices harmful to general consumers.

NoneYa, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

It’s like they’re trying to piss off their fans at this point. Just seeing how far they’ll go before people say enough is enough.

The craziest part to me is that people still give money to companies like this.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly I don’t think the addicted Assassins Creed and Far Cry players care. Too addicted to the endless gameplay loop.

Zedd00,

My big problem with quitting assassin’s creed is that it’s the best representation of what these places looked like hundreds of years ago. I know it’s not 100% accurate, but the fact that my wife could guide me around Rome in game because she’d lived there is one of my favorite gaming experiences. Replaying an AC game and reading all of the research has made vacations to places where they’re set amazing.

That said, I’m never buying a subscription to games. The second I can’t buy the game and have it, I’ll stop taking their abuse.

fsxylo,

Doesn’t matter, saw game on TV, must buy.

tal, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

One downside of always-online DRM is that it kind of deanonymizes you. I mean, the game retailer knows that a given person is at a given IP address at a given time, and that information has value that could be used down the line to combine with other sources of data.

Avoiding that would require something like a VPN system that uses a different IP for different services.

lolcatnip,

Why does that matter for a game?

Killer_Tree,

It doesn’t matter any more than any other individual data point. The concern is that when all the data points are collated, it gives a LOT more information about someone than many people realize.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

It’s not the game in particular – it could be any service that one makes use of over extended period of time. The issue is that one can correlate with other data.

yogthos, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games

It’s rather amusing how everything people fear happening under communism comes to pass under capitalism in one way or another. Turns out that it is the capitalists who aim to strip individuals of their personal property by transforming everything into a rental service. You see, you no longer possess your media, books, computer, phone, or any other device; they’ve all been transformed into internet-connected subscriptions. The moment you cease paying or when the company decides to discontinue its services, you find yourself in quite an unfortunate predicament.

vanderbilt, do gaming w Ubisoft Wants You To Be Comfortable Not Owning Your Games
@vanderbilt@beehaw.org avatar

So long as they are comfortable with me never buying them.

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