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Kolanaki, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability
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I just want games made by people who are trying to make a good game, and not games made by people or companies that are only trying to make money. Not one GaaS game is actually special enough to warrant spending more than the base price of the game on (and many aren’t even worth that when their next best competitor is fuckin’ free to play.)

GlitterInfection, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

But I want to be exploited indefinitely!

CluckN, do games w 70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

Who cares what devs think? The room full of suits says live service makes money so it shall be.

TIMMAY, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

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  • Timecircleline,

    Whoa whoa whoa. Thats some dangerous words. Slay the Spire is highly addictive.

    TIMMAY,

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  • nyctre,

    Lol! yeah! What sort of nerd do you have to be to enjoy card games? And sports games? Like, go outside, brah. When I get my game on, it’s usually CoD on my Xbox. Headshot after headshot, teabag after teabag. It’s just something else, you know? Not something you can get by playing a card game or some rts or something where someone else is doing the shooting for you… Like… Get some skill brah.

    /s … Pfew… That was hard to get through… sorry about that, couldn’t help myself

    Wiz,

    I just bought it for my phone a couple days ago, and it sucked up my weekend.

    Just one more game!

    Timecircleline,
    Chee_Koala, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity
    Chee_Koala,

    I hecking love working with Godot btw, nothing is perfect but man is it glorious shiny FOSS and extremely usable!

    some_designer_dude,

    And it’s going to get so much better with more people flocking to it!

    Gabu,

    What I love most about Godot is that it doesn’t give a fuck whether you want to use python-like code or write your own libraries in C#/C++. 10 minutes and you’ve got something working.

    Chee_Koala,

    I can’t even imagine how that backend must look, 🤣 I work 100% in GDscript, but it’s really cool to hear : “Yeah it’s about 30% GDscript and 70% C++”

    Coming from Java, I personally love how signals work between classes. Friggin hated my getters and setters, and the way signals work in Godot is just like how my brain thinks about that problem, so very easy to use and understandable.

    Gabu, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Of course they did. Godot is a freaking dream for most game genres.

    bionicjoey, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Doesn’t STS run on Java, not Unity?

    astanix,

    Perhaps they were saying they started on unity and decided to migrate to Godot instead

    redeven,
    @redeven@lemmy.world avatar

    StS2 was being developed in Unity iirc, and they moved to Godot for that new game (and possibly also future games?).

    slimerancher,
    @slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t know what engine they used for STS, but apparently they were making STS 2 on Unity:

    At the time, it said it’d made much of Slay the Spire II in Unity, but would still migrate to a different engine if Unity stuck to its guns.

    JoMiran,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    From the article:

    At the time, it said it’d made much of Slay the Spire II in Unity, but would still migrate to a different engine if Unity stuck to its guns.

    zachary3752,

    STS was Java running on libgdx.

    STS2 will be C# on Godot.

    Based on this: caseyyano.com/on-evaluating-godot-b35ea86e8cf4

    dubyakay,

    Sorry, you have been blocked

    You are unable to access medium.com

    Great website.

    EdibleFriend,
    @EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

    YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID

    Agrivar,

    What the heck did you do to get blocked by Medium.com?!?

    sensiblepuffin,
    @sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m going to guess they’re skipping redirects - that’s what the issue was for me.

    Underwaterbob,

    libgdx

    Which is a game dev library for Java, so OP was right.

    Plastic_Ramses, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    I’ve got to imagine Epic is pretty pissed at Unity right now. Both had a pretty sweet gig “competing” against each other.

    But since Unity’s brain-dead maneuver, we suddenly have a foss alternative to both, and they might actually have to innovate now.

    aksdb,

    As much as I like to shit on Epic, but UE 5.x is pretty much innovative with each minor release. Watching the release videos of what the engine can do in realtime is always impressive. They are used as realtime backgrounds for movie sets.

    some_designer_dude,

    Unreal 5 is… unreal.

    ManniSturgis,

    I think it’s funny you try to show how good the game engine is by saying it’s used in movies. Like sure it’s impressive, but graphics don’t make a game. Give me one good game with simple graphics built in Godot, rather than 100 fancy locking $80 micro-transaction infested always online games.

    CosmoNova,

    Your argument has nothing to do with UE5‘s or Godot‘s strengths and weaknesses. You could literally flip it and it would make just as much (or little) sense: Give me one good asset library game in UE5, rather than 100 custom asset containing $80 micro-transaction infested always online Godot games. See? The argument doesn‘t actually say much about the engines, just about monetization which you can handle completely independently from the software. If your project makes a million or less, UE5 is free to use for anyone. That makes it pretty good for tiny indie devs and hobbyists actually.

    aksdb,

    Do you mix game development with engine? Of course an engine doesn’t make an innovative game by itself. An engine is - hence the name - only the means to an end to help develop a game. Innovative games are all over the place in regards to the engines they use; from in-house/custom to products like unity, unreal, etc.

    That you have the impression that engines like UE and Unity are “less innovative” by judging released games just shows how many games are developed using these engines - especially Unity. It’s so damn easy to build games with it, that many people do, even when they only build something simple. And that’s fine … it means that more people can channel their creativity into game development, even when it doesn’t yield anything ground breaking.

    It also shows, though, that developers can focus more on the game development and have to deal less with engine development and now even asset creation, since these engines also bring asset catalogs. So it’s really quite a good time to dive into game development, which fosters creativity and in the end there will also be innovative games among them.

    WarlordSdocy,

    Yes but at the same time Unreal doesn’t really compete with Unity at all when it comes to 2D games. Unreal is primarily meant for 3D games and maybe you could make a 2D one work in it but Unity has a lot more resources for 2D games. That’s why games like this switched to Godot instead of Unreal cause Unreal wasn’t really an option. I could be wrong but when Ive made some projects in Unreal it didn’t really seem to have any options for 2D games like Unity has.

    FiniteBanjo,

    It’s got all of the functionality you need but nothing in UE is “boilerplate” for 2D, meaning they don’t have the functions built for you to use out of the box. Godot has all the boilerplate for a complete novice to use after a few tutorials videos. Haven’t used Unity for maybe a decade so idk about them.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Unity’s modus operandi is to develop a feature halfway and then deprecate it and replace it with something that’s not yet released. Such a mess of a product.

    echodot,

    Sounds like Microsoft should buy them.

    FiniteBanjo,

    They also spend valuable resources hounding developers into paying them, citing made up sales estimates.

    pycorax,

    Considering Epic is funding Godot iirc, I’m sure they’re more than happy with their competitor shooting themselves in the foot.

    dtrain,

    No mention of Epic in Godot’s transparency report.

    pycorax,

    Oh, seems like it was a one time thing then. Apparently they got a grant in 2020 and that was it.

    echodot,

    Unity wasn’t innovating but I think it’s unfair to say that epic were not.

    Part of the problem is that Unity don’t actually use their own engine.

    FrankTheHealer, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Another jewel in Godot’s crown. Love to see it

    danc4498, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    I had to delete this game from my phone cause I couldn’t stop playing it…

    ABCDE,

    Don’t get Balatro.

    danc4498,

    Not in iPhone yet luckily!

    sag,

    Help. I am addicted to Gambling

    Underwaterbob, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Godot is awesome. I hope all the attention that has been spewed upon them thanks to Unity’s fuck up doesn’t spoil it.

    surely_not_a_bot, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity

    Good for them. Respect++.

    The_Vampire,

    @surely_not_a_bot will remember that

    rustyfish, do games w Slay the Spire devs followed through on abandoning Unity
    @rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

    Perfect.

    NocturnalMorning, do games w Interim CEO Jim Whitehurst explains Unity's product-led path to profitability

    Whitehurst and chief product and technology officer Marc Whitten discuss Unity’s plans to rebuild trust with developers after the 2023 Runtime Fee fiasco.

    Here’s a hint, it’s gone. You’re not going to get that trust back for 10-20 years, if you ever get it back.

    refurbishedrefurbisher,

    If they want to gain back support, they could open source the engine.

    HobbitFoot,

    I’m honestly surprised Valve doesn’t buy out the company.

    Shadowedcross,

    Why would they?

    Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    Yeah, this would be a weird thing for valve to do for sure. I think they could afford it… But they already have Source 2.

    PatMustard,

    What do you expect them to say, “it’s all fucked, let’s shut up shop”? They’ve fired JR, undone most of his wild spending, gutted the company to desperately undo his mismanagement and make the company profitable. Saying “were trying to go back to how it was” seems like a non-insane risk-averse business way to try and keep the Unity users who haven’t been able to jump ship already.

    Carighan, do games w Sega sells off Relic Entertainment, will axe 240 jobs
    @Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

    jobs will be cut at Creative Assembly

    Ha! Can’t cut down on the QA and testing stuff if there is none! Smart thinking, CA!

    Damn this sucks though. Happy for Relic that they escaped it, but Sega has been dropping the ball so hard lately, it sucks they take it out on their workers.

    caut_R,

    I feel like I haven‘t heard or read anything positive about CA since they did Shogun 2

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Did you miss Alien: Isolation, Three Kingdoms, and Warhammer?

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    You mean the near Paradox levels of DLC for Three Kingdoms and Warhammer? And selling blood as a fucking DLC for every Total War game since Shogun 2? Yeah, I’ve heard about it.

    The games are good, but Sega’s forced monetization is atrocious.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

    Of those three, the one I bought was Three Kingdoms, and I was certainly not forced to buy more than the base game. Paradox’s DLC strategy is a-okay by me. Neither company puts a gun to my head to buy their DLC. Pretty sure blood is a DLC to get away with a lower age rating.

    UndercoverUlrikHD,
    @UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

    Eh, CA pretty much aced their DLC strategy for warhammer 2. It’s with Warhammer 3 that they fell of a cliff. And three kingdoms barely got any DLC before getting cancelled.

    Gork,

    One thing I didn’t like about Shogun 2 and all subsequent sequels was enforcing a limited number of armies by forcing a general to be present. The maximum number of armies you could field is naturally bottlenecked by your economy, so you should have the flexibility to use some non-generaled armies to bolster garrisons in key strategic locations. Instead, you need to use one of your scarce generals to defend it, which prevents them from being used offensively so they just sit around.

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