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ech, do games w Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now

The dev seems to have a good publisher that’s on their side, which is nice to see. I find it bizarre that this rebuttal comes in response to the CEO of Hinterland Studios, the devs of Long Dark, which was in early access itself for ages. Dunno if they think they’re above it all now, but you’d think they would at least be sympathetic of devs facing that kind of shit. Probably just CEO saying CEO shit. Hopefully the Manor Lords dev doesn’t let it get to them much, or at all.

umami_wasbi, do games w Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now

Until they ditch the “live service” model, this will continues. How many big title games today are really sold in a complete no BS state where DLC actually means extra contents? No much I guess.

That stems from the revenue model, and not by gamers.

yeather,

I feel like Paradox games falls into this category, problem is everyone is so used to playing the okder title with all of the dlc that people feel the new title is barebones and unfinished.

mrvictory1,

That is because DLCs add a lot of value to Paradox games (excluding recent controversies) so people wait then grab all DLC in a bundle discount.

errer,

Yeah but if you wanna buy say, Stellaris, with all its DLCs, you’re looking at at least $100-$200 depending on the sales. You pay for that bigger game.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Definitely. Age of Wonders 4 was awesome to play at launch, but it definitely feels more “complete” now that all 4 DLCs are out. It feels like it was clearly hacked to pieces to be sold separate.

Zos_Kia,
@Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com avatar

Minecraft falls squarely in this category. I paid 15$ some 12 years ago and am still getting a yearly update for free.

And yet if you go in the MC community, one of the most common complaints people have is that the updates are never enough and the Devs are lazy etc… I guess this goes to the point of this article, people can easily be trained to have unrealistic expectations.

I’m not crying for Mojang/Microsoft but I can’t imagine how it feels to be an indie dev and have people shit on you because the work you do for free is not good enough.

2ncs,

And yet if you go in the MC community, one of the most common complaints people have is that the updates are never enough and the Devs are lazy etc… I guess this goes to the point of this article, people can easily be trained to have unrealistic expectations.

Tbh I think a big part of the problem is Mojang’s failure to communicate with it’s players, less so the lack of features being added.

Zos_Kia,
@Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com avatar

I don’t know, they have an annual event, affiliate youtubers who distill the news as they come, “leakers” on twitter. You can’t really expect a studio to pull a 1.16 every year, but short of that it seems there is no way to please the MC community.

simple,

Minecraft is a special case. They promise a lot and what we got is a version of the game that’s microtransaction hell. Texture packs, mods, maps, etc all cost outrageous amounts of money in the console/windows10 version of the game. The community is mad because they’re clearly spending way more money on making content for the store than doing any actual updates for the game. The most we get is something like a new mob every six months…

Zos_Kia,
@Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com avatar

microtransaction hell

As far as i know the full game is entirely playable without spending a dime more than the price of the game. You can join an infinity of multiplayer servers or play the game solo from start to finish and beyond, and you still get the yearly update which, despite your statement, includes much more than “a new mob every six months”.

I personally don’t mind that cosmetics and entirely optional non-game-advantaging additional content are paid, as it is what bankrolls the studio to keep pumping out free updates every year. How do you propose they finance this otherwise ?

simple,

As far as i know the full game is entirely playable without spending a dime more than the price of the game.

That’s not the point, they took something that was free and community-driven and locked it down so you can only install things from the store where everything costs money. Only specific people even have access to make mods in that version.

as it is what bankrolls the studio to keep pumping out free updates every year.

They’re not a small indie company. Mojang earns hundreds of millions of dollars per year. They can afford to do something with the game other than pumping out dozens of microtransactions a month. They could optimize the good version of the game but actively choose not to. They promised a proper modding toolkit for the game but never made it because it would harm their paid store. The game practically lives off its modding community and in the last 10 years they’ve done nothing for them.

Zos_Kia,
@Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com avatar

I don’t know, the bedrock version started in 2011 way before Microsoft bought the studio. It was never free or community-driven, it is cheaper than the Java version, but it doesn’t have access to the free modding community. This sounds like a relatively good non-toxic deal to me, either you pay upfront or you suffer the micro-transactions. If you don’t have the money, you can still play the full game for a relatively low price.

Your implication that they don’t optimize or develop new content for the base game is simply unfounded and proven wrong every year like clockwork.

Gigasser,

I’d recommend the java version

tyrant, do games w Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now

It depends on the game. If I buy a game from a smaller publisher I expect it to be a complete work with full story line. Unfortunately… When I buy from a large publisher I expect to be getting a ¾ complete game that will give me expansion packs.

This isn’t the case with Nintendo games though. I feel like and Nintendo game is just done and any extras are… Extra.

dinckelman,

Read back what you just wrote, and go for a walk to let it brew for a bit.

Why the fuck would anyone slave their only life away, for any employer?

tyrant,

I’m not saying anyone should work without pay. I’m saying that with the way publishers release games I expect AAA releases to be unfinished works at this point.

SuspiciousCatThing, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

I enjoy the series and still come back to it, but honestly the number of zombies in the mall is a little bit of a turn-off for me. I guess I want something closer to a simulator, which this was never meant to be.

But I’d love to be able to at least thin out the zombie hord a bit. Running around can get annoying.

theangriestbird, do gaming w Hands on with Astro Bot: creative, beautiful and authentically PlayStation

One of the few games that makes me jealous of PS5 owners. Sony is getting their Super Mario Odyssey and I want it on my PC 😭

Casuallynoted, do gaming w Hands on with Astro Bot: creative, beautiful and authentically PlayStation
@Casuallynoted@pawb.social avatar

I am SO happy this game is getting made. I loved Astro’s Playroom so much.

caut_R, do games w Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree - long-standing tech issues remain unaddressed

It’s such a headscratcher to not put upscalers (and maybe frame gen) into the game when they can be modded into Elden Ring. If a dude can figure it out, surely so can FROM.

simple,

A lot of their tech issues are weird. For example, the game actually DOES render at ultrawide, but they put black bars at the side to hide it. Just bizarre decisions that feel like they don’t want the PC version to be better.

Toribor, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

It’s kind of crazy how off the rails this series got later down the line.

SuspiciousCatThing,

3 and 4 definitely lost me. But 2 and 2.5 were great imo.

Someonelol, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered
@Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Maybe buy the original on Steam soon just in case they pull a Rockstar.

DarkThoughts,

All but DR4 are banned here. lol

godzilla_lives, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

Faaaantastic! This actually could be pretty dope.

theangriestbird, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

Glad they still left Frank lookin like a caveman

darkghosthunter, do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

Capcom is on a row giving fans what they want and making millions from it. Compare that to Square Enix.

Vodulas,

I thought the FFVII remakes were pretty well received?

darkghosthunter,

I don’t remember quite well, but it sold well, but not well enough for a AAA franchise.

Megaman_EXE, (edited ) do gaming w Capcom's slapstick zombie mall adventure Dead Rising is being remastered

This made my morning :3

Edit: not a fan of Frank’s new look, though. He looks…different.

Hdcase,

Different voice actor too.

Exec,
@Exec@pawb.social avatar

I like your username

Megaman_EXE,

Thank you! I like it too haha. The battle network games are awesome

DoucheBagMcSwag, do games w Beyond Good & Evil remaster arrives next week with "improved graphics", new in-game content, and more

Wasn’t this accidently playable for a few hours like several months ago?

linkinkampf19, do games w Beyond Good & Evil remaster arrives next week with "improved graphics", new in-game content, and more
@linkinkampf19@lemmy.world avatar

There was already an HD remaster released back in 2011… I’m all for crisper graphics, bugfixes and the like, as long as the core gameplay and charm from the beloved original is still there. Still also holding out for BG&E2, but that feels as close to vaporware as it stands.

Also, fuck Ubisoft and their craptastic launcher. Main reason I have strayed from majority of their titles. Maybe it’s a little pedantic, but I’m in the “Steam or no DRM” group if I bother with a game.

bread,
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

Seems like everybody forgot about the HD release. It was good, and the only reason I haven’t played it a third time is because I don’t want to set up the console for it. Hopefully this new version won’t be too bogged down with Ubisoft crap 🤞

_sideffect,

I just hooked up my PS3 last week, and guess what game was still installed 😁

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