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  • Redacted,
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    Having been predominantly a PC gamer for 30 years… PCs more hassle to update and maintain. When I finish work I want to sit on my sofa and play with as little inconvenience as possible.

    Consoles fit nicely in a living room and are better for local multiplayer. This generation they were also cheaper than buying the equivalent PC hardware at launch.

    woelkchen,
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    PCs more hassle to update and maintain.

    That’s Windows, not PCs in general. Steam Deck is an example of a PC system done right where the OS just works and tinkering is optional.

    Redacted,
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    I mean desktop, wouldn’t really class the Deck as a PC.

    Been tempted to get one but I use the Switch or cloud gaming on the go so have most bases covered already.

    woelkchen,
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    And I meant that the majority of “PC maintenance” originates from Windows. Tasks like dust removal from cooling vents isn’t a daily thing (and applies to consoles just the same).

    Redacted,
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    True, but if I’m spending thousands on a machine, I tend to want to be able to do other things on it so unfortunately Windows usually enters the equation.

    Will consider a dedicated SteamOS box when I next refresh.

    woelkchen,
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    True, but if I’m spending thousands on a machine, I tend to want to be able to do other things on it so unfortunately Windows usually enters the equation.

    Then it’s still Windows maintenance, not PC maintenance. For Intel and AMD GPUs, any regular convenience Linux distribution (like Fedora) works with negligible maintenance. It’s only those NVidia users or people who feel the urge to tweak everything steer themselves into maintenance hell.

    Redacted,
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    Surely you still have to update drivers and OS?!

    I dual boot Linux on my PC and run it on Raspberry Pis. Let’s not pretend it requires zero maintenance.

    woelkchen,
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    Surely you still have to update drivers and OS?!

    Drivers are part of the OS and OS updates happen everywhere. Game consoles or Steam Deck are no exceptions.

    Zozano,
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    The Steam Deck IS a PC though. You can install SteamOS on your computer if you wanted to.

    For the purpose of the argument the other user was making, it is functionally similar enough to consoles that it doesn’t feel like a PC, unless you want it to. So really, it suits everyone.

    OswaldBuzzbald,

    Not to mention that it is literally a PC. It even has a full desktop environment mode running KDE.

    Redacted, (edited )
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    You are correct by the technical definition, I apologise for suggesting the Steam Deck is not a PC lol.

    What sort of things do you run on yours? I’d have thought it being a handheld it wouldn’t be that useful for anything I’d want to run on it as it wouldn’t be always on or connected.

    My preference is a dedicated desktop box I can upgrade and potentially run some services like DNS, PiHole and some automated scripts on. I’d rather spend the money on that and keep using the Switch or cloud gaming when I’m on the go.

    OswaldBuzzbald,

    No need to apologize friend. I just always want to inform everyone that the Steam Deck is capable of being used as a PC on the go if you have some peripherals. I have some third party launchers, and emulation stuff on my desktop side. I also have KeePass and a Google Drive for my passwords. I personally don’t use it for any other desktop activities because I have my laptop and my desktop for that, but it could handle those tasks (word processing and office tasks, general web browsing, etc) just like my other computers do. I even bought a nice little keyboard and have a wireless mouse for my Steam Deck, as well as a portable screen.

    As far as homelab and server applications like Pihole, yeah I would probably not run those on the Steam Deck either, but I also wouldn’t put them on a laptop or my desktop. I put those on my homelab server running Proxmox because I turn my desktop off when it’s not in use.

    Redacted, (edited )
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    Yes hence why I corrected to desktop. Sorry, just always used to using PC and desktop as interchangeable terms but see why you’d want to differentiate these days.

    My point is I don’t want a handheld that I have to plug in. If I’m going the PC route I’d prefer a desktop box I can upgrade so although the Deck is great, it doesn’t suit literally all use cases.

    kadu,
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  • datavoid,

    How is the latency in moonlight? Thinking about trying it

    Redacted,
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    Ok but most of my games use Quick Resume so I am playing in under 15 seconds. To be honest the Switch has taken the crown for picking up where you left off since 2017.

    I’ve used Moonlight but prefer not to stream really. Would be interested in how the latency is these days.

    In the past I’d have said PC all the way but these days I’m glad both options exist. Biggest draw to the PC for me is mods. Would be tempted to make a dedicated SteamOS box next gen.

    woelkchen,
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    I would be a thousand times happier in a world without consoles. Games are published everywhere, and “consoles” are just prepackaged PCs from Microsoft or Sony for people who do not want to build a PC themselves

    What do you think current PS and Xbox consoles are? They are all just PC hardware with each a custom OS as differentiating feature. A world in which everything has to run Windows is definitively much worse than the current state.

    B0NK3RS,
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    That’s a odd stance to take. How would you be a thousand times happier if consoles didn’t exist?

    Consoles still have their place in gaming and to think otherwise is somewhere ignorant. Just live the best of both worlds like the rest of us and don’t get so wound up!

    kadu,
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  • 0ops,

    Then don’t buy a console? How does your neighbor Bob playing on his Xbox series s affect you at all?

    kadu,
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  • 0ops,

    I mean duh, I can make up any strawman I want and say “there’s a difference”.

    No one said that you wanted to commit console genocide, just that your neighbors Xbox is none of your business and you really ought to take a chill pill and game how you please.

    B0NK3RS,
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    I’m about to blow your mind…

    You get to decide.

    You decide where to (or not to) buy and play the games you want. Like I said there is no requirement to stick to 1 platform and you honestly sound so wound up by this opinion I’m astounded.

    kadu,
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  • B0NK3RS,
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    We’re talking video games here. Nothing else.

    echodot,

    That is the most ridiculous straw man argument I’ve never heard

    You live in a country you are invested in a country which is why leaving it is so difficult. You’re talking about just not buying a console, it’s the difference between altering a way of life that is being fine up until now versus not getting engaged in one in the first place.

    It’s completely different.

    Eggyhead,
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    Yeah I probably would never have even gotten into gaming if it weren’t for consoles. PC games are fun, but gaming on a PC is not for everybody.

    kadu,
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  • Eggyhead, (edited )
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    I’d say that’s because PCs have become more console-like. I’m personally gaming a lot on a deck now, although I still have zero desire to hunker down behind a desk and fiddle around with a mouse and keyboard, tinkering with settings and whatnot. Deck is a nice middle ground, and having access to a lot of older PC classics is fantastic.

    lazycouchpotato,
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    I’d rather see consoles open up to being general purpose PCs, than not see consoles at all.

    Valve got it right with the Steam Deck. I enjoy accessing my game library from SteamOS and using the Desktop Mode when I need to be productive.

    If the Xbox had an option to boot into Windows, they’d be selling the Xbox like hot cakes. It would keep users invested in Windows as a platform rather than them moving to Linux or macOS. It’s such a waste of potential.

    They’re far too stupid to realize that.

    kadu,
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  • Redacted,
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    As always, it’s a trade-off between convenience and ability to tweak.

    When it comes to gaming, the convenience slightly edges it for me at the mo. Enjoying Game Pass, play anywhere, Quick Resume and have made all the money back I spent on the Series X through Microsoft Rewards twice over.

    Next upgrade will be a tough call though.

    SquigglyEmpire, do games w Xbox is still committed to making consoles, says boss Phil Spencer

    It’s never a good sign when you have to say something like that…

    Shadywack,
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    “Any man who must say ‘I am the King’ is no true king.”

    Kolanaki,
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    Didn’t Aragorn have to tell those ghost dudes he was the king to get them to fulfill their oath? 🤔

    Shadywack,
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    Yeah, and it went something like “Hay, I am TEH KING” Ghost dudes be like “lolwut? Fuq, die bitch” Aragorn blocks attack with Anduril “Oh shit, lmao, sorry, we gotchu bruh”

    THEN he was teh kang.

    rimjob_rainer, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"

    I just finished it the first time and hoped to play the DLC soon, because I usually don’t come back to a game for DLC. Quite disappointing.

    PopMyCop,

    Something makes me think this is not going to be your typical DLC. I wish they would have given the entire industry the middle finger and said something like, “This will be an expansion pack, in contrast to all the half-hour extras that piss producers push as DLC.”

    Because honestly, this long of a development time for anything less than an expansion, like the old days where you get 50-100% more game, seems crazy.

    Defaced, do games w Xbox is still committed to making consoles, says boss Phil Spencer

    The only reason they want their games on multiple platforms is so they can prove they’re not trying to buy up studios for exclusivity. This is the main objective here folks. They don’t care about being on more than one platform, they just don’t want to fight the FTC again when they try to buy up sega, square enix, take2, embracer or whoever the fuck they want to buy next. Remember, this is the same arrogant bullshit company that wanted to buy Nintendo and got laughed out of the conference room.

    t3rmit3, (edited ) do gaming w Reuters claims Nintendo Switch 2 is expected later this year

    My Switch 2 (bottom) next to my Switch Lite, running Pokemon Dreams. It’s available now!

    De_Narm, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"

    They probably need some more time to make the new swamp extra swamp-y.

    But in all seriousness, Miyazaki hasn’t disappointed me yet. He can take all the time he wants to, I’ll be there to get it once it drops. Be that tomorrow or in several years.

    ULS, do games w Xbox is still committed to making consoles, says boss Phil Spencer

    They should make Linux boxes.

    simple,

    Xbox is Microsoft so that’ll literally never happen. They could make Windows 11 boxes though.

    woelkchen,
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    Xbox is Microsoft so that’ll literally never happen.

    Microsoft already uses Linux and in fact even develops its own Linux distribution since quite some time because Windows just isn’t good enough for certain tasks: github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner

    Surface Duo is another Linux-based product by Microsoft.

    simple,

    Surface Duo uses Android though so I wouldn’t put it in the same vein as Linux distros. Microsoft uses Linux for their web services like everyone else, but there is no way they’re going to push people to using their competitor on consumer products. They want people to stay on Windows.

    woelkchen,
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    Surface Duo uses Android though

    Android is Linux.

    here is no way they’re going to push people to using their competitor on consumer products. They want people to stay on Windows.

    Windows Phone is dead, Android is not.

    One of the reasons that Steam Deck is better than Windows handheld PCs is because Valve can freely modify the graphics drivers. That’s not possible with the proprietary Windows Radeon drivers.

    smeg,

    Android is Linux

    Yes and no

    woelkchen,
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    Yes and no

    Only yes. GNU software is irrelevant for anything being Linux (lots of other Linux distributions use no GNU software at all, most notably embedded variants using musl and Busybox). The kernel being a modified one is also irrelevant because almost every distribution ships patches to the kernel. The only person who can revoke Android being Linux is Linus Torvalds, not some random YouTuber named Gary.

    Fact is, Microsoft ships Linux-based products and even if it’s highly unlikely what they will switch the Xbox business to release Linux hardware, the outright statement “that’ll literally never happen” is ignorant.

    smeg,

    True, I was just nit-picking rather than disagreeing with your original statement

    woelkchen,
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    smeg,

    I know, I meant I wasn’t disagreeing with your first comment about Microsoft using Linux!

    Kolanaki, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"
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    I kinda figured those rumors were bullshit. They may be secretive, but Fromsoft still wouldn’t just quietly release a major dlc for one of the biggest titles they’ve ever made.

    Shit must be massive for it to take this long, though, without much news other than a title, and two updates that they are still working on it.

    Krudler, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"

    I played ER 3x no-wiki… I am fine with a decent break, it will hopefully make the new content that much more savoury

    Suavevillain, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"
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    Take your time. There is no rush.

    TheFerrango, do games w Xbox is still committed to making consoles, says boss Phil Spencer

    They also said they were still committed to Zune and Windows Phone.

    smeg,

    They probably weren’t lying then or now, they are committed… for this quarter. When they read the numbers next quarter, well that’s completely unrelated to today’s commitments!

    Sanctus, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"
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    Thats okay FromSoft, you go when you feel like it. I will instantly pick ER back up.

    altima_neo, do gaming w Reuters claims Nintendo Switch 2 is expected later this year
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    Pretty much everyone is claiming that, at this point. No one has a solid source on their claim though. Its all on Nintendo now to prove it, or a leaker to release images or something.

    senseamidmadness,

    No public sources yet, but there are positive whispers from anonymous people in the electronics supply industry. Companies that make boards, chips, screens, that kinda stuff. That plus the fact that the original Switch launched in 2017 is enough for me to believe the new one is on the way.

    altima_neo, (edited )
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    It’s not that I don’t believe it, it just seems silly for all these sites to keep saying so, without anything to add. Just jumping on the bandwagon for clicks.

    UKFilmNerd,
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    I agree. There seems to be a job in the industry called “Professional Guesser”. It’s like those companies/people who say, “Barbie Vs Kong” is expected to make $76m at the box office this weekend. How can you possibly know?

    senseamidmadness,

    As long as people keep getting paid to make predictions, they will keep making paid predictions

    Potatos_are_not_friends, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"

    I’m currently playing Elden Ring and it’s so freaking massive. It’s incredible what From soft choice to include. There’s whole areas that are completely gated for a hard-to-find side quest, that you’ll only discover if you happen to follow a guide.

    Any other company would have chopped the content and put it in a DLC.

    And here they’re like, “We got more just wait.”

    _sideffect, do games w From Software is "working hard on Elden Ring DLC" but still doesn't have a release date "at this time"

    Sounds like it’ll be pretty big and worthwhile

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