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solsangraal, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

we’re getting old dude

the kids who are the age we were in the half life glory days–they don’t want single player. they want league of apex legends fortnitewatchstrike

single player games won’t go away completely, but they’re definitely taking a backseat to whatever the rage is with the kids. currently mobas. just google “most played video games” if you’re not depressed enough already

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

“Single player games have taken a backseat”. Okay. We’re just going to state that as a truth? And also just stating kids as being the main video games audience still?

I mean if single player games have taken such a backseat, why are big companies pouring so much money into games such as Horizon, Dragon Age, Assassin’s Creed, Anno or Dark Souls? Why are indie games, thousands and tens of thousands of them, so overwhelmingly single player? Why is Zelda still not a MOBA? Just does not really hold water as an argument IMO. If anything it seems the opposite is happening and after the height of MOBAs in ˜2015, the market is slowly creeping back.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

“Single player games have taken a backseat”. Okay. We’re just going to state that as a truth?

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

And also just stating kids as being the main video games audience still?

They spend more money. Probably because it’s not theirs.

MolochAlter,

Both of your points are only partially correct.

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

Wrong, they just take less effort and have a more constant revenue stream.

Potential for profit means nothing, when so many attempts at milkable forever games end up like Suicide Squad or Concord.

Also you can come into them half baked and pull the plug if the game doesn’t sell (because it’s half baked) like they’re doing with SS and they did with the Avengers game.

They spend more money.

They don’t, you can’t spend money you don’t have, whales are working adults.

Kids spend money for less. Better ROI, not higher payoff.

You make the 18302nd skin and troves of kids will badger their parents for fortnite bucks so they can buy it but not everyone will. The upside is that making a skin costs you single digits percent points of the profits, so even if one or two are a dud, you’re fine, the good ones will make up for it.

It’s a business model you can throw money at once the game’s got an audience base, which is very attractive to companies, because it’s uncomplicated and reliable.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There’s plenty of room to monetize single player games when it’s add-in content to games that you continually replay as opposed to add-on content for something that’s story driven. More systemic games like Civilization, roguelikes, simulators, etc.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Not nearly as much. Look at games like Rocket League that are many years old but still selling new skins every month.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

When your game isn’t live service multiplayer, your incentives change to putting out more sequels rather than iterating on the same game. So your revenue per game goes down, but there’s no reason it can’t necessarily be as lucrative overall.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

They make way more money selling skins for years and years than any DLC ever will. This is clear as day. Not sure where the confusion is.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not confusion. Your perspective is survivorship bias. For every Rocket League, there are 10 Concords. That’s why the entire industry is imploding right now. Everyone thinks their game will be Fortnite, but only so many games can be Fortnite, and a lot of that even comes down to luck, so you’ve got games like Avengers and Suicide Squad losing hundreds of millions of dollars each instead of making games for half or a quarter of their budgets that would have recouped their costs and then some.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

And the Rocket League is worth 20 Concords.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Well then I guess your recommendation would be to keep trying to be Rocket League, even though statistically you’re going to leave a crater in the ground formed by hundreds of millions of dollars and the better part of a decade of work? Keep in mind there are single player games that make more money than Rocket League too, if we’re going to cherry pick.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

My point is it pays off in the long run.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Given the unfathomable number of layoffs we’ve seen the past two years, I think that’s a difficult argument to make.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Given that those layoffs exist outside of the gaming industry, I don’t think that’s a valid argument.

chonglibloodsport,

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

That’s true but it’s not because people aren’t playing single player games. The reason single player games are less profitable is because the non-subscription, non-microtransaction single player market is extremely saturated with indie games. That makes it very hard to sell AAA single player games. The standards are extremely high and the opportunities for extra monetization are not there.

I have been a single player gamer for most of my life, yet I haven’t bought a AAA single player game in decades. I have more indie single player games to play than I know what to do with, and frankly they appeal to me more than AAA titles. Expensive graphics and voice acting don’t have much draw for me these days. I am much more interested in roguelikes and retro games now. I think there are thousands of others like me out there, among all those who don’t go in for multiplayer games and haven’t purchased a console.

Grandwolf319,

Single player games are less and less profitable these days. What the original commenter could have said is, these days, there isn’t much money to be made telling a story when fortnight makes so much money by doing nothing but cosmetics.

bionicjoey, (edited )

It’s not a question of demand, it’s a question of profit. Multiplayer games stand to make a lot more money than singleplayer. Nobody will spend real world dollars on cosmetic items in a singleplayer game.

catloaf,

Skyrim has no multiplayer component, but plenty of people have paid cash money for cosmetic items.

bionicjoey,

Not even close to the same scale as what Valve and Blizzard get people to pay for skins and hats

intensely_human,

profit is a function of demand

Grandwolf319,

And it’s gonna continue until regulations recognize how these games are psychologically terrible for kids and have gambling mechanics.

AnEilifintChorcra, do gaming w #StopKillingGames update: Finland just passed the threshold.

Even if your coutry reaches 100% and you haven’t signed, please still do incase some signatures are invalid

TIP – It is better to collect more signatures than required. Sometimes the national authorities might not be able to validate all the statements of support you provide.

citizens-initiative.europa.eu/how-it-works_en

Vittelius,
@Vittelius@feddit.org avatar

Also just getting 100% in 7 countries is not ging to be enough to reach 1 million votes total.

So you should keep signing it either way. Every vote still counts

jeffw, do games w Controversy and Censorship
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Changing designs due to market pressures isn’t censorship. Remember the Sonic movie, where they redid the animation due to criticism? Nobody was outraged at that change but when it’s tits, all of a sudden people care.

Melonpoly,

What “market pressure” are you talking about? The game topped charts because it seemingly wasn’t afraid to have an attractive female lead while backing that up with fun gameplay. The difference with the Sonic movie was that no one liked the original design, and the movie wasn’t patched after people bought tickets.

RageAgainstTheRich,

You know there are a shit load of games with attractive female leads and amazing gameplay right?

You say it as if developers are terrified to make attractive girl characters…

Katana314,

Summarized it much better than I could.

If you’ve ever seen isometric pixel sprites, authors often draw those first “naked” to get the shape right. If they show an in development model that’s naked, and later have added clothes, is that then “censorship”? No of course it fucking isn’t.

thezeesystem, do games w What are the best indie games you've ever played?

Factorio. Help I got 4k hours and I still get cravings.

Honorable mentions.

Rimworld, Dyson sphere program, Minecraft (before it became microcrap)

sep,

Closing to 6k. There is just infinite replayabillity. Then you add mods, and friends.

haui_lemmy,

I think we‘re the same person! :D

Jokes aside, I wholeheartedly agree. 500 hrs in factorio but rw and dsp are awesome. Mc used to be. I like mineclone though.

Hit me up if you wanna play something together some time.

Battle_Masker, do games w What's up with Epic Games?
@Battle_Masker@lemmy.world avatar

aside from what everyone else said, they killed the beloved Unreal Tournament series, which is a huge sour spot for older gamers who fondly remember those. Then there’s the excessive microtransaction demand inside Fortnite, a game with a large playerbase under the age of 18. That alone led to two major lawsuits that they both lost

EtherealMoon,
@EtherealMoon@lemmy.world avatar

Aside from TF2–and even that I got a bit bored with–most all of my interest in multiplayer FPS died along with Unreal Tournament. Doesn’t feel like having fun is the goal anymore.

glitches_brew,

They are killing rocket league too

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

I quit playing Rocket League the moment it was announced that it was going to be Epic exclusive available only on Windows.

SomethingBurger, do gaming w What type of game you want to see that doesn't fully exist yet?

Need for Speed: The Run, but good. Give me an uninterrupted race accoss the US (or any other continent), against 199 other drivers, with strategic decisions to make such as fuel stops, sleep breaks, multiple paths… Make it a rogue lite with unlockable vehicle classes, police chases, weather changes, racing through traffic… Bonus points for realistic physics and VR support.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Nfs the run was so disappointing. Even for a nfs game.

SomethingBurger,

Some NFS game are straight up terrible (Undercover…), but at least the good ones with similar gameplay (NFSU2, Carbon) still exist. But The Run was worse than bad; it was disappointing. It could have been good, but wasn’t, and they never tried to make another one with a similar premise.

The only good part of the game is the bonus mission in Carbon Canyon, in all its HD glory.

PrivateNoob,

What about the avalanche mission? Did you find that too Micheal Bay movie-like?

SomethingBurger,

I don’t remember it. I don’t think I played this game a lot.

PrivateNoob,

Here you go if you’re interested: youtu.be/M0fpD8LP08Y?si=Mb_msbQ8FFDghfbG

PrivateNoob,

Honestly I loved The Run. It was a jam packed unique short game experience. It was definitely too short for it’s price, but you know at that time Blackbox was working on 3 separate games.

th_in_gs, do gaming w Pet peeve, games that won't let you save

Or pause during cut scenes!

nlm,
!deleted4210 avatar

Yes!

MonkderZweite,

Or skip cutscenes.

tombuben,

Or allow you to accidentally skip cutscenes when you didn’t mean to.

OttoVonGoon,

OMG this drives me nuts.

fuzzywolf23,

Fucking death stranding

Sternhammer,
@Sternhammer@aussie.zone avatar

To be fair, Kojima games are primarily vehicles for cut-scene delivery. Gameplay is a bonus.

Blackmist,

You can pause during cutscenes. Just finished it yesterday, and certainly needed it because some of those suckers are 30 minutes long.

Dadifer, do gaming w Are there any good VR games yet?

I love how Halflife: Alyx isn't even being mentioned.

JshKlsn,
@JshKlsn@lemmy.ml avatar

Too scary lol. I got it with my index and never played. Really wish valve included a less scary switch in the settings, because it’s one of the best made VR games.

Just can’t do it. Not built for it.

outadoc,

I had no idea it would be so scary and played through it out of sheer will to enjoy the experience. I have no idea how I made it through.

SevenSwell,
@SevenSwell@beehaw.org avatar

The half life games are right at the limit for me in terms of scary video games. They tread the line just enough imo. I think it’s because it’s not just horror the whole time, there’s tons of non scary puzzles and gun-slinging going on to cool down.

Mythril,

I read some interview about how they had to “nerf” the headcrabs by making them latch on to your chest instead of actually your face because it was too intense for VR, haha

Loved the game!

fades,

Seriously haha, arguably the best VR game out there

liminis,

Right? It’s literally bundled with one of the most popular headsets.

Though there are still plenty of indies that still exude quality and love from their developers. Things like Compound, Budget Cuts, Until You Fall, or Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades (if you’re a gun person) are all a bunch of fun.

Though there’s that Walking Dead game if you want something with more money behind it (and are less anxious than me).

bbsm3678, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

I find it funny that a lot of the fediverse is anti-cryptocurrency, yet this is a perfect example of a problem cryptocurrency can solve. No one can stop you from transacting on a number of blockchains.

flamingos,

Too bad cryptobros are more interested in using it as a speculative investment/scam machine than an actual currency.

mad_lentil,

Yeah the wild swings in exchange value instantly preclude its use as a currency.

bbsm3678,

Yes you are right, there are always grifters everywhere, unfortunately.

Mk23simp,

In theory, crypto could be good for this, but crypto is used (and designed) more as an investment than a transaction tool.

Also, the issue here is not centralized currency under a government, it’s centralized payment processing under monopolistic private companies. Crypto is not required to solve that, all that is needed is an alternative payment processor (in an ideal world, probably a public one run by that government, since in a modern world that seems like an essential service to me).

FishFace,

It’s a good point, but a payment processor run by the government would also be under pressure (from voters) to wield its power to suppress marginal content.

Imagine a US-government-run payment processor right now - it would be blocking anyone that sells anything “woke” or “DEI”.

Mk23simp,

I am a strong believer in democracy. I don’t think that the answer to a bad government is to reduce the power of the government, because that power will inevitably go to undemocratic institutions. Only the government is accountable to the people. So even when the government is currently controlled by people I dislike, I still want more things to be brought under the power of the government rather than privatized.

The answer to bad government actions, in my view, is to fight for a more democratic government, and zealously advocate for good ideas among the voting population.

FishFace,

Yeah, that’s a good point. I guess in light of that what I would say is that, if you are going to have a state-run payment processor, you need to build in a) pluralism (enable and encourage multiple processors) and b) legal protections (legally guarantee that the payment processor has a limited remit in terms of allowing all payments unless instructed to block them by a court order) which would help mitigate or slow down anti-democratic backsliding.

Adalast,

Honestly, I am OK with payment processors being privatized, they always have been. What needs to happen is regulatory legislation that restricts the grounds on which a financial institution can reject a transaction to strictly what violates interstate commerce law.

Mk23simp,

Just because they always have been doesn’t mean it’s good. It’s definitely not good for private companies to have monopoly power like that. That power will only be used for their gain (and our collective loss).

Adalast,

Fair enough. I guess I am just so used to the way things are I struggle to see how a government payment processor works without running the risk of police overreach. I do understand that long standing agencies like the IRS and DoE do a good job of fending off advances of police trying to illegally obtain private info, but a new agency or new power for an agency wherein they have access to the exact purchase data of every transaction done using anything other than cash gives me strong pause. It would be trivial to put it under the executive branch and put in there that if someone uses it they waive their 4th Amendment rights in such a way that it is not unconstitutional. The police state already wants to push us towards a cashless society because getting the information is already borderline too easy and there are privacy laws in place to supposedly protect us from such intrusion. Taking out the middle man means I have to trust some department head who is probably a political appointee, and we all see how well that can go.

Rock meet hard place.

Zetta,

True, but crypto is used very successfully all the time to purchase things online. Now just because most of those transactions are for drugs doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, steam should start accepting monero, the only truly secure and private crypto currency.

Cocodapuf,

They do accept Bitcoin, so that’s something.

Cocodapuf,

In theory, crypto could be good for this, but crypto is used (and designed) more as an investment than a transaction tool.

I would argue that while crypto is as investment now, it was initially designed and intended to be used for transactions.

Out of curiosity though, why do you think this situation would be any different if it were government controlled? Especially considering that you sometimes have administrations like Trump’s, which would do anything no matter how corrupt.

Mk23simp,

If it were government controlled, it would be accountable to the people, to the extent that the government is democratic (ideally, much more than it is now), and would also be run as a service rather than for profit.

MITM0,
@MITM0@lemmy.world avatar

Monero

SaharaMaleikuhm,

Crypto is so heavily regulated now, I don’t even know how to procure any cause all the sites I have used years ago are just dead now.

bbsm3678,

In KYC systems it is really easy to acquire—companies are willing to sell it to you with no problems.

If you want to get it anonymously, the easiest would probably be to buy via cash. In Switzerland, you can buy via some atms

lazynooblet,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

If you are in the UK, here is one.

bittylicious.com

americanzgenozida,

Couldn’t you just masturbate the normal way?

trashgirlfriend,
Rolder,

It’s more fun when it’s freaky

chiliedogg,

If it was used as an actual currency instead of an investment vehicle for speculators, that would help.

It also has zero protection from scams and fraud.

bbsm3678,

Cash has zero protection too

chiliedogg,

And I don’t give cash to anonymous people online. I only use cash in-person for immediate services or products.

Cocodapuf,

I mean you can use it as currency, and I do sometimes. I have bought plenty of steam games with Bitcoin. I’ve also bought a bunch of stuff on Newegg, and other places online.

It has exactly as much protection from scams and fraud as cash does, that’s essentially what it is.

FuyuhikoDate, do gaming w Beware games like this

What game has so mich playtime until people give it a downvote?

plm00,

From what I’ve seen it means the game used to be good (or had good potential), then the developers messed things up.

FuyuhikoDate,

Reminds me of disco elysium, but there not the dev but there publisher messed up…

Openopenopenopen,

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  • LaserTurboShark69,

    Can confirm. Have 3500 hours, would not recommend

    SatansMaggotyCumFart,

    Man the only things I’ve spent thirty-five hundred hours on are shitting, sleeping, working and eating.

    RaivoKulli,

    I wonder if I’d prefer DOTA for 8,5 hours daily or working

    Honytawk,

    I’d get bored of it after a week when I have done everything the game has to offer. Unless it was behind grind-fests, then it would be sooner.

    RaivoKulli,

    In some jobs that “all it has to offer” comes way quicker than a week

    fushuan,

    People that play 1-2 hours a day for the year for 5-10 years will have 3560 hours by the end of it. Anymore than that and it will be more.

    +3k hours is not that hard for games that have been there for a while.

    jballs,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    That’s actually a brilliant review and sums up my feelings on having played League of Legends for several years.

    Karjalan,

    Usually games as a service, they’ll release a large patch or expansion that makes significant, unpopular, changes. So lots of long time fans will review bomb it, in a good way, to show their displeasure.

    It’s sometimes works too.

    Vipsu,
    @Vipsu@lemmy.world avatar

    One does not even need to review bomb as a single update can easily ruin a game. After that it’s no longer comparable to the game one was playing for possibly thousands of hours.

    captainlezbian,

    Sometimes its strategy games like city builders and 4Xs that can be addictive without being enjoyable

    bjoern_tantau, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Keep going! Who knows how many signatures will be ruled as invalid.

    Ganbat, do games w Hesitating getting a Switch 2 (1st game console in 15 years)...

    I personally don’t recommend anyone get the Switch 2. The new price points are frankly ridiculous, and I’d hate to see that shit get justified by sales.

    Personally, I’d recommend looking into handheld PCs. I haven’t looked into them much myself due to lack of money, but they’re generally much more worth the cost from what I’ve heard.

    All that said, I missed that you were looking for something to play with your 7 year old child. Switch might be better, but any handheld would be… notably destructible, so that’s a factor to keep in mind.

    iAmTheTot,

    I’d hate to see that shit get justified by sales.

    I’ve got bad news for you.

    laopi,

    I missed that you were looking for something to play with your 7 year old child. Switch might be better, but any handheld would be…

    I meant mostly to play party games or multiplayer games with her, with the console docked to a TV. I know the Switch has been super popular as an handheld console, but I don’t think I would be using it a lot in that configuration (especially with 2.5 hours battery life…)

    BertramDitore,

    The other day I thought to myself, “huh I’ve got a few extra bucks, I think I’ll buy a switch 2.” Then I saw that zelda costs $80. So nope, no switch for me.

    I’m someone who has never played a switch, never held one, and I was about to impulse buy it. So I’d be a brand new customer (my last Nintendo product was the NES), and now I won’t be. Their loss.

    pycorax,

    As much as I like my Deck, they’re not really able to fulfill the role of a Switch for party games since a number of them are exclusives and setting up controllers are a bit more tedious than joycons which are essentially plug and play.

    Most PC handhelds are also fairly bulky and heavy, I find myself struggling to hold them unless I’m resting it on my lap or a table while sitting so this may not be great for a 7 year old.

    Dasus, do games w Signatures skyrocket for **Stop Killing Games** campaign after big youtubers take up the cause, resulting in 100k signatures in 48 hours. (Details on how to help in text body of post)
    @Dasus@lemmy.world avatar
    ProdigalFrog,

    Absolute legend.

    SculptusPoe, do gaming w Then promptly shuts down
    @SculptusPoe@lemmy.world avatar

    Gameplay and software patents need to be nullified. We need to find a way to trick Trump into thinking those patents are insulting him somehow.

    tatann,

    Boy I sure hope Trump never learn that the nemecis system (short for nemecisgender) was patented by the woke Warner Bros, so that other games can only use the nemetrans system that mindtrick every players into transitioning

    degen, do games w What game is this? (On the Switch that they're holding)

    Three screens

    Playing piano to a fashion magazine

    Pokemon addiction

    This debauchery is why God has forsaken us

    Gonzako,

    username checks out

    arakhis_,
    @arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

    anon

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