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exu, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Awesome! Now let’s get the EU one as well, much closer than before now. (840’000)

ipkpjersi,

5 minutes later and it’s 843k, almost 1k signatures per minute, not bad at all!

illi,
@illi@sh.itjust.works avatar

844k now. Wow. I wonder what caused the sudden surge? Or is it just that most momentum can be gain at the start and towards the end like with Kickstarters?

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

After Ross announced the campaign is dead a bunch of YouTubers (and media, I think?) picked up the topic and started spreading the word far and wide. This is the result.

mnemonicmonkeys, (edited )

Here’s what bugs me: Why didn’t channels like GamerNexus and LTT cover the petition until after Louis declared it dead?

Essence_of_Meh,
@Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world avatar

That’s actually one of the most annoying parts about the whole thing. SKG campaign has been running for what, a year now? Barely anyone with an audience cared enough to even look into it, let alone spread the news. Now that things came close to failing suddenly everyone thinks it’s an important topic and scrambled to make videos/posts/whatever. I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt but I just don’t have that in me any more…
We could’ve been in so much better place with awareness, petitions and general sentiment if people in the industry actually cared about these things from the start.

Better late than never, I guess. I just hope there’s enough time to push through the EU petition as well.

sp3ctr4l, (edited )

Well, there’s at least two aspects here:

Fucking Thor, PirateSoftware.

Up untill Ross posted his ‘SKG is dead’ video… Thor had by far gotten the most views of anyone with a video discussing SKG.

And Thor… well, he was anti-SKG, and had been spreading a bunch of objectively false bullshit about it, actual FUDD.

So… about half of Ross’s video was dedicated to pointing out how Thor was wildly misunderstanding things, and fairly graciously and politely trying to correct these misconceptions.

So here’s the two sort of things at play I see, in terms of 'why sudden surge now?'

  1. Thor was just shown to be objectively, factually wrong. Thus, the immediate effect of this would be to reiterate and clarify and reinforce with more specificity what SKG actually is… and that could directly convince people to give a damn, to believe in Ross’s SKG over Thor’s misunderstandings and mischaracterizations.

But uh, almost certainly much, much more relevant:

  1. Ross doing (1) created an absolute drama shit storm via the way youtube works now… which is very much just drama mongers and commentators reporting on e-drama. (1) kicked off an actual, organic, honest to god, truly viral explosion of many, many people who’d basically never heard of any of this before, mostly dogpiling on Thor for being such a disingenuous, egotistical asshole and liar, but also of course encouraging people to sign the SKG petition.

This kind of absurd, out of nowhere explosion of popularity of some topic, idea, meme, whatever, that spreads from person to person to person, from the ground up instead of top down… this is what something going ‘viral’ originally meant in the earlier days of the internet, 15 to 20 ish years ago.

You know, it spreads, from host to host, like a pandemic outbreak, shockingly rapidly.

These days we have everything hypermanaged by algorithms that silo you into your own content niche… and this was an exceptional enough of an event that it broke containment.

Videos like … this entire topic/event/story… used to be what the YouTube trending tab looked like… just totally random shit that for whatever reason, a bunch of people organically shared with each other, back when the algos were much, much more primitive.

Anyway… extremely ironically, a whole lot of the viral nature of this is due to Thor being just such an astoundingly massive piece of shit liar and manipulator.

He has a whole entire history of being astoundingly cocky, arrogant, dishonest, deceptive, intellectually inconsistent, rhetorically manipulative, etc, and it is genuienly… just astounding, i dont know what other word to use, to go through every single shitty thing Thor has done or said, not only in regards to SKG, but many, many other things Thor has done.

Basically, Thor is now a lolcow, a perfect person to milk by making content criticizing him, because he really is that much of an unbelievable, outrageuous idiot asshole.

seralth,

LTT likely because Linus is extremely out of touch. Like comically so.

Game nexus likely because Steve is more focused on other sectors of the industry. He’s a hardware and news guy more then a “gaming” channel in the strictest of sense. So it just very likely slipped his radar.

Dindonmasker,
@Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works avatar

Piewdiepie made a community post yesterday supporting it and asking people to go sign if that has still something to do with it.

illi, (edited )
@illi@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well whatever it was it seems to be working. 876k now. Crossing fingers.

sip,

910k and going.

Deathray5,
@Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com avatar

He seems to be doing good stuff. Kinda giving whiplash

Kjell,
@Kjell@lemmy.world avatar

2 hours later and it’s 860k.

Damage,

2 more and it’s at 880k holy shit

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

1hr more and its 890k

TheTetrapod,

900k

sip,

909k now. signed ✅

ChapulinColorado,

918k now. Not European, but you guys give me hope for the future :)

Deathray5,
@Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com avatar

924k yeah this could reach the 2 million mark

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

944k!

Klear,

955k now

illi,
@illi@sh.itjust.works avatar

962k. Incredible

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

978k

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar
sp3ctr4l,

This is fucking bonkers.

I ran the math a few days ago, before this absolutely blew the fuck up, and I came to:

We’d need 11k sigs per day until July 31st.

… We’re now apparently at more than double that and climbing exponentially.

Ho Lee Shit.

God DAMN has it been a while since I’ve seen something go actually, truly, organically viral.

ipkpjersi,

I’m just worried some of them are botted, especially now that we’re less than 100k away from 1m.

sp3ctr4l,

I mean, its not technically completely impossible, but the vast majority of EU countries require a valid name, id, address, etc, its usually a pretty dumb idea to bot spam an official government web portal, and I’m sure there will be a review process after July 31.

Also… its not like it hits a million and then just no one else can sign up to it anymore.

It’ll stay open till the end of the month, could easily breach a million, maybe even two million if anything like this insane rate keeps up.

Klear,

No need to do the math, this site has you covered: stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev

Right now we need 1669 per day remaining, though that number is probably going ot be smaller by the time you click the link.

Worth noting that the actual target is somewhere above one million, since there’s probably some invalid signatures mixed in and the initiative needs a million even after these get removed. Still, it’s looking really good.

kazerniel, (edited )
@kazerniel@lemmy.world avatar
Klear,

It’s been like this for a while and the actual page where you sign the initiative is down right now apparently =D

Robin, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Don’t stop yet! They might still remove incorrectly filed entries.

chrislowles, (edited )

Pedal to the metal on all fronts!

Madagaskar_sky,

Peddle to the metal

Lol, nice pun, good one.

chrislowles,

Honestly that was a typo on my part, I’m really tired rn lol

BurgerBaron,
@BurgerBaron@piefed.social avatar

130k now with time left. I think we good.

smeg, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Didn’t it already reach the threshold last year and the government (or the civil servant in charge of rejecting every petition) closed it saying that current consumer protection laws already apply?

Contramuffin,

My understanding is that they misunderstood the petition, so this new one is rephrased in an attempt to avoid another misinterpretation

smeg,

Fingers crossed!

setsneedtofeed,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

Politicians seem very good at misunderstanding things when it suits them.

echodot,

It was extremely clear what the previous petition was, it was just they weren’t interested in doing anything so they intentionally misunderstood.

paraphrand,

Is that why they left “from” out of the title?

r00ty,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

They didn't close it. They provided an answer early. That as they see it, existing trade and consumer law should cover games and they don't plan on carving out extra legislation for it but they will "keep an eye on it".

Now it is over 100k, it doesn't actually mean anything more than they "might" debate it in parliament.

Now, don't get me wrong. I signed the petition, and I think they SHOULD look into it. But, my old cynical bones tell me that even if they do have a debate in parliament. It will be at a time when there will be 5 MPs in there, who will have nothing to say on the matter and it will be swept under the rug with a further canned statement drawn up by some civil servant in whitehall talking about consumer law just like the statement before.

Most western governments are on the side of industry, and that includes game developers. I cannot imagine they care about this subject and will do the bare minimum lip service to move past it.

I hope I'm wrong.

I do have a bit more hope for the European parliament. Just a little. They do seem to be a bit more pro-consumer. That is the one that matters most IMO.

Rentlar,

If the EU petition makes it, then it will provide the UK petition support too as part of whatever debate goes on about it.

echodot,

The UK petition ends before the EU petition so my guess is that they’ll give us some canned response before the end of the month. In their heads that will end the discussion.

Rentlar,

Parliament will have 7 days after it closes before their planned summer recess. You think they will work that quickly to churn out a boilerplate debate?

echodot,

Yeah they won’t even discuss it, we’ll just get the same boilerplate response we got last time.

ipkpjersi,

I don’t think you’re wrong, and I think the EU petition will go the same way, but it’s still worth signing regardless.

r00ty,
@r00ty@kbin.life avatar

Completely agree. It should not deter anyone.

Deathray5,
@Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com avatar

As a Brit I have more faith in the EU parliament doing something good than ours.

PrivateNoob, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

WHAAAT LETSGOOOOO DABABY. Thank you PirateSoftware for the publicity :3

atro_city,

And fuck you too btw PirateSoftware :)

rustyfish,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar
atro_city,

Oh that's good. I like that.

sp3ctr4l,

Wait untill people realize that Ross Scott has had a running show, ‘Freeman’s Mind’, going back to basically the fucking machinima days, where he just does a playthrough of all of Half Life and voices Gordon’s inner thoughts.

Its still on his youtube channel!

youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PNZBb6b9LvDWpI-5CPYU…

We are going to need another petition to get Ross an honorary title, a goddamned bust of an upraised fist in an HEV suit, clenching a crowbar, with ‘For Exceptional Valor and Dutiful Service in the Defense of Video Gaming’ emblazoned on its base.

Let the memes flow!

TheTetrapod,

I remember Freeman’s Mind, but I have no idea who any of the people in those pictures are.

sp3ctr4l,

Ross is the dude with long hair and laser eyes.

On the right in the second pic.

Orygin,

Holy shit that’s him ?
He my hero now

Klear,

I came for Freeman’s Mind, stayed for the Game Dungeon, got deadgamepilled in the process.

I highly recommend checking all of his stuff out.

Killer_Tree,

Same! The next step is watching his monthly proof-of-life video chats while working on other stuff 😅

Klear,

I kinda wish his next videochat is just him opening up a bottle of champagne, drinking it all without saying a word and that’s it =D

finitebanjo,

Whats wrong with PirateSoftware? He runs a ferret rescue which doesn’t claim any tax incentives and he teaches people about security and ethics, I’ve never heard of him having beef with anyone.

parody,

Yeah he seems pretty positive and helpful, so did his bias mislead him on this one?

Also I wasn’t even sure he was still a huge fan of his former employer—but now that I think of it I guess he was really pleased with his time there, cuz he’s proud of his ban wave strategies and stuff

Bongles, (edited )

He tends to be condescending, toxic, and dishonest. I happened to watch this video the other day that covers a fair bit of stuff including the stop killing games petitions, if you’ve got 20 minutes.

youtube.com/watch?v=R-RaQZPzhqU

Things like

  • completely misrepresenting the stop killing games initiative.
  • bitching for quite a while that “someone” pulled a mob during a world of warcraft raid causing a wipe, going back to see who it was to remove them, seeing it was himself and then justifying why it was now the right call.
  • running away from his group in world of warcraft in a fight claiming he has no mana, while he’s wasting moves to drain the last of his mana and he has ways of getting around half of it back. This was during some kind of creater guild thing where if you die you lose your character. So abandoning his team to save himself and lying about it.
  • banning/blocking everyone who criticizes or corrects him on these things
  • DMCA’d and threatened legal action on an indie dev for a parody game that included him as a cockroach.
chrislowles,

That video was really good, felt kinda Drew Gooden-esque in parts.

parody,

OOF

finitebanjo,

Never meet your heroes ig

seralth,

Pirate has a history of, grooming, digital labor theft, lying, sexism, scamming, being an asshole, to name a few things.

Hell his current persona isn’t even his first one. He never actually worked on blizzards security team, he was a support staff. Half his stories have been proven to be lies.

About the only thing that’s true is family connections got him a job there.

But the man his a raging narcissist and a grifter. The whole pirate software persona is just his latest grift.

seralth,

Everyone has beef with him literally everyone. But he makes sure to ban from anything he can to keep them out of his chat or other places his community gathers.

Hes been grifting lying and grooming since second life. He just changes his name and moves to a new community when shit blows up in his face and it becomes too much of a problem.

His entire professional shtick is to make sure people don’t learn about his past and to lie and make himself look good

Luccajan,

Is this about the WoW incident? Or dit something else happen?

PumaStoleMyBluff,

He has made videos and numerous comments directing his audience not to sign, claiming it will kill games.

Luccajan,

Than he has really lost it. Leaving a game that people paid for in a playable state is the least a developer/publisher can do.

alucard, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience
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Report post. Fuck off with that gambling crap.

Manapany, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience

Can we ban this post ?

cepelinas, do gaming w Jilievo Game – A Fast, Fun, and Rewarding Mobile Gaming Experience

We are not turning lemmy into reddit, get out.

scrubbles, do games w My statue Peebee (Mass Effect Andromeda)
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Personally I couldn’t stand her, but I’m glad she brought you so much joy!

finitebanjo, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

Hmmm? The UK isn’t part of the EU anymore so they won’t have much impact lol.

biggerbogboy,

That’s why it was a completely separate, smaller one

finitebanjo,

Just threw me for a loop for a moment that it uses the same name and that this page displays links to both.

biggerbogboy,

thats fair enough, it was a bit confusing for me at first too.

DNU, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

99.09%🙏🙏

inlandempire, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures
@inlandempire@jlai.lu avatar

Good job UK ! Now cancel Brexit and vote for the EU one !

copd,

not quite sure how you expect to cancel anything which already happened

echodot,

The hostility from the EU about the UK rejoining (especially from France) tells me that’s not likely to happen.

SkunkWorkz,

Good. States shouldn’t be able to just go out on a whim and immediately go back in again like it’s a revolving door. The consequences should be severe for leaving. Otherwise voters in other member states will pull this shit as well, because they think they can just rejoin when the next pro EU government comes around. Also many voters in the UK voted for leave as a protest vote not because they actually wanted to leave. They didn’t understand the ramifications of their vote. Let the UK be the example of what a protest vote can cause.

echodot,

Surely the opposite should be true. It just shows that countries cannot leave the EU because it is far too damaging to their economy

frenchfryenjoyer, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures
@frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world avatar

great stuff!!!

JustARaccoon, do games w Old gamers don't understand what mobile gaming has become

Hmm I’m not sure using gacha games which are designed for addictive gameplay loops and predatory monetisation being the games that your kid prefers over standalone experiences is a good argument to make

grrgyle, do games w Developer Interview: my Q&A with the dev who runs 'the' Switch piracy freeshop

Perhaps this is a weird part to single out, but it surprised me

I mainly played on the 3DS from when I was 6 until I was 15, so I don’t have as much experience with other consoles.
[…]
The 3DS was simply Nintendo’s best era, and I don’t think we’ll see anything like that again given the current direction of their latest consoles…

Curious if others agree. I would’ve thought that it would be the SNES era, but that’s probably betraying my age more than anything.


Great article! On par with gaming publications, and actually probably better than most Nintendo Power articles I remember from back in the day. Great job!!

Daughter3546,

I guess nostalgia really is one hell of a drug. I am in my 30s and I view the GBA and NDS as the best Nintendo consoles.

skankhunt42,
@skankhunt42@lemmy.ca avatar

30s. GameCube, gameboy colour, n64, and xbox360. If I had to pick one it’d be n64.

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Rofl this is what I most disagreed with as well. 3DS certainly had some bangers, but I think many would list it among the weakest first-party lineups

alk,

I’m in my 30’s and I think I agree with this. The amount of bangers for the 3ds is insane, and the virtual console lineups on both the 3ds and wii u were unmatched any time before or after. Even today, the 3ds is the best console to buy used and hack. You have QR-code access to ALL titles, including virtual console titles. It’s a Nintendo emulation powerhouse. Technically you can do all of that on the switch, but it’s much harder to do, much harder to get content, and not nearly as many things are compatible.

grrgyle,

I never had one but sounds like I missed out. I also wasn’t thinking of rereleases or emulation.

alk,

I actually never had one while it was “recent” (I skipped from the ds to the switch) but I’ve since bought a refurbished one and loaded custom firmware (very simple compared to other consoles) and played some of the top rated games and a few niche ones. I fell in love, and I use it for emulation of other Nintendo consoles up to N64 and all handheld consoles. I’m even working on a full living pokedex using only a 3ds and a switch, which is completely legit using Pokémon bank and Pokémon home and the virtual console, all official Nintendo software.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I'd say the DS was the best handheld of all time, and GBA was close behind it. 3DS had its share of bangers, but if you compare its library to the DS it's not even close.

3DS was the era where we started to see the conflict between handhelds being a place for experimental low budget titles, versus the need for larger budgets on better hardware. This also just made it more difficult to juggle supporting handheld and console platforms at the same time. And halfway through the system's lifespan, mobile gaming exploded in popularity, which really ate into the system's marketshare. There's a very observable trend in how third party support kept dropping over time.

grrgyle,

Username tells me you know your stuff

alk,

I’d argue that the backwards compatibility between the 3ds and ds makes the 3ds just as good as the DS if you’re counting ds games. Though if we’re talking how good the games are of each generation instead of how useful and fun each console is with all available means of play, it might be a different story.

missingno,
@missingno@fedia.io avatar

I'm judging each platform's library individually. Though if you do want to look at it that way, I would still say DS + GBA > 3DS + DS.

Also, tbh, I never liked DS-on-3DS due to the screen resolution being such an awkward factor. Scaled looks awful, letterboxed is too tiny.

smeg,

Simple explanation: if you have one console full of fond childhood memories then of course that’s the one you consider to be the best!

rozodru, do games w The UK Stop Killing Games petition has reached 100.000 signatures

What’s funny about this whole thing is it’s almost like PirateSoftwares days in EVE Online when he invited everyone to Pochven space cause he thought he was hot shit and then proceeded to get his ass handed to him and he rage quit the game. He brought attention to something that ended up having the opposite effect of what he wanted.

Granted he was absolutely shit at EVE regardless of what he’s told his audience. couldn’t fit a ship to save his life, ran for CSM and no one voted for him, then rage quit when everyone and even his own corp proceeded to kick his teeth in.

P1nkman,

Is there a clip of this somewhere?

sp3ctr4l,

Wow, I hadn’t even heard of that particular story of Thor being an egotistical asshat.

I’d been looking into the WoW debacle, then stumbled into other stuff, but nope, that one’s new to me.

dustyData, (edited )

The worst part is that this are far from the only two events. He has been kicked from several other guilds, for exactly the same narcissistic and egoistic behavior. If everywhere you go it smells like shit, at some point you have to start checking your own shoes. He is just always adamant that it’s other people’s fault that it smells like shit, when he has full diaper.

sp3ctr4l,

Yep.

There’s the whole… apparently when Thor was essentially high school to post high school age, he managed to cajole a younger SecondLife user, who was actually decently talented at creating like clothes and custom player models…

So in SecondLife, you can actually make real money that way, you can cash out the SecondLife currency for actual realworld money.

Yeah SecondLife was actually quite a pioneer in a lot of ways, from a technical and just ‘what even is a video game’ standpoint, lets say uh ‘eccentric’ community and reputation aside.

And Thor basically convinced this other SL user, who was like 5 years younger than him… that he could make them both more money as a sort of salesman, promoter, of this other persons user made content… if they profit share.

I may have some details wrong here, but basically… Thor did basically nothing in terms of promotion, yet he made a significant chunk of change off of this other person.

Because … SL just has basically a universal market you can list things in.

Like uh, Escape from Tarkov, or FF14’s auction house or what not, fully built into the game… but even more so as it actually allows you to cash out to real world money.

its not like you’d have to do some kind of technical wizardry to enable sales, its not like Thor whipped up some kind of gray/black market system / payment processor way back when PayPal was still a fairly new idea.

Alongside that, there were allegations of basically ERP going waaay too far.

Now, this other person has I think entirely denied any kind of ERP abuse, sexual or just normal relationship abuse, says everything was fine…

But a good number of people seem to think that the essentially digital labor theft Thor did, basically amounts to its own kind of grooming, exploitation.

seralth,

Don’t call him Thor call him what he is, a loser. Sullying the good name of Norse gods.

sp3ctr4l,

… As best I can tell…

He actually, legally changed his first name to Thor.

And he has gone by Thor for… at least 5 years?.. in his Twitch streaming career.

I fully agree this is an insult to the old Gods, but … Thor is apparently literally his actual name.

His older username / online handle was ‘Maldavius Figtree’ or something like that, can’t say I am aware of his actual birth name.

intrapt, (edited )

I was in his corp (my old one merged with his, I had no idea who he was for quite a while), and this… isn’t exactly accurate. First, from what I remember, he left on okay terms with the corp.

There was a laundry list of issues with Pochven, a lot of them due to CCP just not bothering to fix issues that the players reported, and moving devs who did want to try and fix some of the issues to different areas of the game. It got to the point where it wasn’t economically viable to live in the area, which reduced how many ships we could field, and the number of people even willing to join.

CCP also took forever to decide on how wormholes interacted with the region, and changed those interactions frequently. Some of these were great, for instance there was a point where most of the wormholes linked to wormhole systems, and it was a complicated (and dangerous) dance to get people in and out of the region undetected. CCP ended up going with the worst possible interaction: many wormholes directly linked to nullsec space, where massive alliances could easily find them and send massive fleets through with little effort.

He wasn’t the only one to quit, to be honest I’m surprised he stayed for as long as he did given how he acts now.

Is Thor an egotistical narcissist? Absolutely. Was this a case of that? Not really

By the way, this is a statement he put out alongside the other two main groups in Pochven. I can tell you for a fact that 90+% of the players who spent most of their time in Pochven felt this move was absolutely justified*: https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/613c3cb2-3874-4a20-9c46-dc1ffb290c41.jpeg

Edit* And the other ~10% disagreed with the destruction of the citadels, not the sentiment of the statement

sp3ctr4l,

Well hey, I very much appreciate more info from someone who was actually there!

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

I dont get it, what’s this got to do with the petition?

whatsisface,

PirateSoftware was critical of the initiative when it first started. Some people attribute its initial lack of success to his opposition.

He was later involved in some drama and his reputation fell, and the petition’s creator finally addressed his claims. Now the petition is having a second wind in its final hour

Jax,

The Streisand Effect

Joelk111,

He wasn’t just critical of it, he spread misinformation about it. It was wild to watch someone be so completely and utterly wrong, then double and triple and quadruple down on it.

renrenPDX,

He was against it, which resulted in a lot of negative opinions about the bill and netting less votes because of it. It’s gone full Streisand effect.

Zonetrooper,
@Zonetrooper@lemmy.world avatar

Haha, holy shit. Somehow I had never connected that Piratesoftware was Maldavius. Yeah, that explains so, so very much of this entire SKG debacle.

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