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lime, do games w World's Best-selling Video Game Consoles
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

oh great, ai generated pixel art.

vivalapivo,

Shut up and keep your mouth wide

gilokee,
@gilokee@lemmy.world avatar

really? How can you tell? :(

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

the buttons on the switch and ps2, the asymmetry of the ps1 and switch, the logo on the ps4, and the lack of pixellation and strange proportions of the 360 and ps3. also the fact that only some of them have controllers depicted.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Sorry again, I know I responded below and not trying to just fight for now reason, but pointing out these different things you’re identifying that actually strongly suggest these aren’t AI, or aren’t indicators of AI or not either way.

For example, Switch asymmetry. This is how Switch directional and gamepad buttons look. It should be asymmetrical, and AI probably wouldn’t get that right like it is in the graphic. You can even see the color-distorted remainder of the “-” and “+” symbols above them, blurred to hell from terrible resizing.

Things like proportions and whether controllers are depicted are just choices either a human or an AI could make.

GrantUsEyes, (edited )

The fact that some of the icons are not pixelated is a huge ai red flag, no designer would make that weird mistake.

lime,
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for the asymmetry on the switch i was mostly referring to the silhouette. should havj clarified that.

Anivia,
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And by far the most obvious: many of the Pixels are not square, or misaligned with the grid pattern, and they also have wildly different sizes on some of the consoles

minamoog,
@minamoog@lemmy.world avatar

piss filter

gilokee,
@gilokee@lemmy.world avatar

but it’s purple

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Which is AI-generated? It looks to me like real pixel art (except the 360) very lazily resized in a non-nearest-neighbor fractional scale and anti-aliased to mush.

lime,
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the proportions are off and the lines are crooked. there’s also the typical latent noise on places like the controller buttons.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Sorry, none of this is a clear indicator of AI. The “latent noise” you refer to is perfectly consistent with compression and resizing artifacting and noise. Proportions are often off when making “chibi” icon-sized consoles, but notably, they are consistently or coherently off. Other features are strongly suggestive it isn’t AI. For example:

  • All of the controllers have consistent layouts, including the correct number and orientation of buttons, player indicators, etc (e.g., the Wii controllers).
  • Consistent diagonal step effects, even if blurred from poor resizing (see the PS4).
  • Consistent text for all system indicators that is legible without AI artifacting, even if blurred from poor resizing.
  • The fact that the 360 and PS3 (didn’t notice initially) are not even pixel art suggests they just grabbed random icons from the web, not ran them through AI generators.
Tattorack,
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Visual Capitalist says they make all their own graphics (so not just grabbed from the Web) from a “veriaty of tools from Adobe Creative Cloud”.

Adobe has been making a huge push for so-called “AI tools” in their Creative Cloud service.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Ok - Yes, Adobe does have insidiously integrated AI tools. But again, nothing you point to here is strongly indicative of AI, and again, just consistent with sloppy & lazy resizing (which you could just as likely see pre-2020, before AI). Adobe also has a very extensive stock library which may be where these came from.

There are some really hard to spot AI generated materials possible now, but the sloppy inconsistency here is - conversely - an indicator that they don’t care much what we do or don’t notice so wouldn’t be spending the time to generate something with all of the consistent details (see list above). Instead, the consistent details suggest human-created versions based on the real systems.

zikzak025,

And a couple of them (PS3, 360) aren’t even pixelated.

UndergroundGoblin,

And the ps2 controller is unsymmetrical.

Harvey656,
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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein, (edited )

Sorry…Again, what should I be taking from this?

What is “ChatGPT font”? ChatGPT and its image tool are distillation models that do not have fonts. They produce images based on per-pixel relational distillation, they are guessing what pixels should be next to each other and do not use fonts. Current models do produce text that can be indistinguishable from fonts, but there is no single “ChatGPT font.” If there is a generic font appearing here, that doesn’t tell us anything new.

For the PS1, I don’t understand what you are referring to. The blurriness and uneven lines happen from compression artifacting and/or resizing to a non-divisible fractional resolution. You can get the same effect now if you go into Photoshop, create a 32x32 pixel image, resize to nearest-neighbor 10x, then set an arbitrary similar but non-divisible resolution with a different resampler (e.g., 56x56 bicubic), and save as JPG at <40 quality. That’s extreme, but you get aliased artifacting, interpolated stepping, and so on.

If you’re taking some other features as evidence of AI, let me know.

Harvey656,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7248fdd1-342e-4129-bd57-40d33a687c12.jpeg

I don’t understand you defending ai art, but here, the extremely obvious odd coloring texturing the surface of the ps1 would be enough for anyone to notice, but the generation error in the top is proof. This smudge line is where the ai failed on its final pass, likely to do with clipskip or whatever crap open ai uses as this is clearly open ai’s image model.

Why are you defending ai art so hard, what do you get from defending a massive cooperation?

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein, (edited )

Buddy, I’m not defending AI, and you making some conspiratorial allegation about my motivation is just weirdly aggressive. You and other people don’t seem to understand what happens with typical generational lossy compression and resizing. Randomly resize and save any image to jpeg 12 times, and see if you don’t see similar artifact noise patterns. That’s a technical literacy thing and not your fault, but the overconfidence here is. The exact thing you’ve marked above is very typical artifacting that occurs for non-AI reasons.

I also know enough to say that I can’t be 100% positive it was or wasn’t AI at some point in the chain. But I can confidently say nobody has identified credible evidence it is AI compared to a multi-generational lossy resize by a lazy designer (and no, posting a screenshot with a vague circle and “that’s obviously AI” is not great evidence - these are not twelve fingers or mush pseudo text, this is pixel level inconsistency).

The things you and others are pointing out here are very explainable without AI, and AI likely would not be reliable enough to create some of the details you see which survived the lossy compression.

Harvey656,
@Harvey656@lemmy.world avatar

I for the life of me cannot believe that a nsfw account is arguing with me about confidence while not giving an inkling of evidence themselves. You know nothing of AI “art” and it shows.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2779b781-c8a7-46a8-9092-66e2f5ef2eb9.png

Here is a ps3 i generated from chatgpt just now, it details every single thing you stated. The prompt was: “Generate me a Playstation 3 pixel art image”

If you aren’t willing to give even an inkling of proof to your claims, or even try to show proof when talking about jpeg errors then you have no grounds to stand on.

You are defending ai art, weather you realize it or not.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Super obvious AI signals:

  • buttons and their colors make no sense and aren’t correlated to a real PS3 controller.
  • there’s nine status lights and literally status lights on the disk drive.
  • the text is spelled “PLAYSTA.TION”.

Yes, I’m aware AI can do “pixel art.” No, this doesn’t invalidate the specific examples and logic from my prior posts. I’ve been discussing this is good faith, but you are not, you’re just reiterating and increasing the volume and insults. Have a nice day.

Yawweee877h444,

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg,
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    Everyone but you, asshole.

    Yawweee877h444,

    k

    chunkystyles,

    It’s always amusing when the most hysterical person in the room tells you you’re overacting.

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  • lime,
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    ok so theyre just bad at it.

    korendian,

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  • lime,
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    maybe i do then because i just keep staring and thinking “how in the world did anyone sign off on this mess”. if it’s not ai, that makes it even worse.

    korendian,

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  • lime,
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    the graphics are ass, and the text is hard to read

    korendian,

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  • lime,
    @lime@feddit.nu avatar

    they’re ass because they’re inconsistent, have aliasing issues, are obviously stretched/squashed, are put against a noisy background, and in some cases are just wrong.

    and no, if the name was not on it i would not assume that the ps4 was a ps4. it looks like a modem. and the 360 has a keyhole for some reason.

    Venator, do games w How Are You Guys Handling This?

    Maybe try find some games that work on the mac?

    There’s also this project trying to get linux in a vm to run games on a mac(and also trying to install Linux on a mac, but I assume it might break macOS since bootcamp isn’t a thing anymore, so the vm route is probably the better option):

    github.com/AsahiLinux/muvm

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=BbJMPfXTbbE

    (I haven’t tried it since I don’t own a mac, just happened to find it when another friend who does have a mac was asking for similar advice to you previously, but he didn’t end up trying it either)

    Venator,

    Oh and another option could be to try to find emulators that run on mac, and maybe play some older games exclusive to a platform you didn’t previously own, or that you missed playing at thier time of release. Or buy an older second hand console that has games you haven’t played before…

    djdarren,
    @djdarren@piefed.social avatar

    Fairly certain that Asahi doesn’t yet work with M4 chips, such as in the new mini. Or if it does, it’s not officially supported, so will be a generally poor experience. I mean, my M2 Macbook supports Asahi, and while it’s generally incredible what theyve been able to achieve, it’s still kinda stunted given how much software simply won’t run on that architecture.

    nutsack, do games w How Are You Guys Handling This?

    you are seriously limited on the selection of games you can play with Apple silicon

    Katana314,

    Does Proton even work on Macs? It seems pretty clear at this point Linux is a far better gaming OS.

    knolord,

    From an colleague of mine, who bought an M1 Macbook Pro when they were new; he told me that there was a Wine fork (don’t know the name sadly) for Apple silicon which kinda worked with most (older) Steam games, not as nice as Proton on x86-64 Linux, but good enough for his game tastes. Don’t know if it’s still maintained or not…

    spicehoarder,

    Nope, that would be FEX. And support for Apple Silicon is currently on the roadmap. So maybe in a couple of years.

    Venator,

    Might be possible to run proton in a VM?:

    github.com/AsahiLinux/muvm

    nutsack, (edited )

    no, it does not.

    and a lot of mac games that came out before apple silicon simply will not run. and ive had mostly poor results trying to run games with crossover and whisky.

    your best bet is to stick with the limited selection of games that have native apple silicon releases. and with native releases on my m2 mac mini im still experiencing some pretty bad input lag.

    some strategy games like rimworld and stellaris are good options.

    Hideakikarate, do games w Agdq 2026 has started

    Youtube for the first time, if I’m not mistaken. Always nice to have options.

    vrek,

    Yup, well first time for one of the big stages. I believe they have done YouTube on some of the smaller events like femme fetals and black in a flash as a “test” of their setup to ensure it would work right for the big event.

    KoalaUnknown, do games w World's Best-selling Video Game Consoles

    More accurate image:

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4a573753-d514-47fc-9adb-e5738f87a5bb.jpeg

    I don’t quite agree with the Gameboy and Gameboy Color being combined though.

    JackbyDev,

    Has there been any console pair besides Gameboy and Gameboy color that had games released that would work on both but behave differently on each? Some carts were black and white, some worked only on GBC, but some (like most of all of the pokemon games) would still be black and white on the original but had unique color palettes on GBC.

    Looks like the technical term is “Color-enhanced Game Boy Game Pak”.

    The color-enhanced Game Boy Game Pak (also known as class B, dual mode, or black cartridges) improved the gameplay experience on the Game Boy Color and subsequent systems while maintaining compatibility with older monochrome devices.

    These cartridges can use the full color capabilities of the Game Boy Color and subsequent systems, displaying up to 56 colors simultaneously out of a palette of 32,768 while remaining compatible with the original Game Boy where they were presented in four shades of gray. However, this compatibility comes at the expense of not being able to utilize the handheld’s increased processing speed and memory.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Boy_Game_Pak

    Compare that to GBA, which had GBA games but could also play Gameboy and Gameboy Color games. But there were no GBA games that could run on Gameboy or Gameboy Color. That weird middle ground might be why they count them together.

    Lfrith, do games w How Are You Guys Handling This?

    Cloud gaming is financially contributing to the end goal of turning hardware ownership into a rental service, so I’m staying away from that. Even if it can’t be stopped I don’t want to add to the funds endorsing it.

    I think the way forward is to just be fine with older hardware and getting less demanding newer titles. There’s those who only game on a Steam Deck, and been happy with it. Emulating old games is an option too.

    CheeseNoodle, do games w I made the diamonds follow the player and made other translation changes to my action roguelite

    I have no idea what’s going on but its always great to see a solo project making progress!

    cybervseas, do games w Day 536 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

    Yes pick up that sequel. TDD is a great game!

    pory, do games w How Are You Guys Handling This?
    @pory@lemmy.world avatar

    Never paid a subscription in the first place.

    AnchoriteMagus,

    How shockingly good for you.

    I’m so happy you provided me this great advice in answer to my question.

    Maybe you should have subscribed to “How Not To Be a Huge Ass on the Internet Quarterly”. A lot of people like it for the pictures, but I read it for the articles.

    pory, (edited )
    @pory@lemmy.world avatar

    You trusted your ability to play games to a subscription service that’s now a scam at $20/mo. The thing is, it was also a scam at $10, or $5, or “first three months free with Discord Nitro”. This is because on the day you finally unsub, your $60/$120/240 a year bought you nothing, while buying games would have left you with a library. Your options post-Gamepass are to buy your games or pirate them. Being on a Mac exclusively, with no access to Windows/Linux based hardware complicates things further. This is the consequence that subscription services and proprietary vendor-locked software have on the hobby. It sucks that you’ve been personally enshittified on, but there’s no “answer to your question” other than “mac kinda sucks for native gaming, and cloud gaming is a scam”.

    See if you can buy an LCD Steam Deck, I guess? Lotta games run on that. PCs and “cheap” aren’t compatible for the foreseeable future. Otherwise, play what native Mac games exist. Look into Mac compatibility layers or VMs or emulators for Windows software. The PS5’s bootROM keys just leaked, it’s likely that’ll lead to a fully cracked console eventually.

    You also didn’t really ask a question. You asked “how do i make games work with my budget” without any information on what your budget is and which games matter to you. Do you need big fancy graphics games? Kernel anti-cheat games? Do you care if you’re playing on low settings and/or 30fps? 1080p? 4k? Your “future of gaming” might be all possible on a used $300 Steam Deck LCD, or might require a minimum buy-in of $3500 with $1000 of it being RAM and $2000 being a GPU. Impossible to know. Your only question was “how do you deal with this” - my answer is “I don’t buy apple products or use subscription services”.

    jack665, do games w World's Best-selling Video Game Consoles

    Great breakdown of console sales over the years. It’s interesting how gaming success isn’t limited to hardware anymore—some titles thrive purely on experience. Bus Simulator Indonesia shows this well, building a strong fanbase on mobile through realism and cultural detail, without needing a major console platform.

    raspberriesareyummy, do games w Day 536 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing

    If you enjoyed this as much as I did, I strongly recommend looking into the “The Last Door” series.

    Sina, do gaming w Does Nintendo ban Nintendo accounts opening up eshop from a hacked 3DS / 2DS?

    There is no certainty in these things, Nintendo could always do a big fuck you banwave many years later. Though you are probably fine.

    missingno, do gaming w Does Nintendo ban Nintendo accounts opening up eshop from a hacked 3DS / 2DS?
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    You should be safe. There were banwaves in the past that resulted in players getting blocked from online play, but those were tied to the console, not the account, and there is no 3DS online play to ban people from anymore. And after those banwaves happened, CFW started getting smarter about covering its tracks so Nintendo likely can't detect you as long as everything's up to date.

    Given that the 3DS has been long discontinued, Nintendo's not going to bother cracking down on anyone now.

    baines,

    Nintendo: hold my beer

    DmMacniel, do gaming w Does Nintendo ban Nintendo accounts opening up eshop from a hacked 3DS / 2DS?
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    No you are safe, as all servers are dead since April 2024. Only a husk of the eshop still is active to redownload purchased titles.

    thingsiplay,

    The servers are not really dead. One can not buy new games, but the Nintendo account is still active and checked for legitimacy, as you can download purchased games. And some other functionality are still working on eshop. My fear is, that a list of games and game IDs are uploaded when connecting.

    DmMacniel,
    @DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

    …nintendo.com/…/announcement-of-discontinuation-o…

    this is why h-shop and pretendo.network exists now.

    slimerancher, do games w Day 535 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
    @slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

    It is on my wishlist, glad to see you enjoying it.

    MyNameIsAtticus,
    @MyNameIsAtticus@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m glad my friend gifted it to me. I may not have tried it if he hadn’t

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