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taanegl, do games w Starfield, is it getting review bombed?

There’s something I’d like to call “the Bethesda” bar. It’s basically an industrial bar lower than most. Let’s define what that means:

  • releasing the same game over and over
  • make games so buggy that a release with only a couple hundred of glitches is deemed "polished*
  • ignore progressive development for things like NPC AI
  • put all the money in marketing and hype
  • make the user think they’re getting something new, rather than just another boilerplate game

I’m sure the story writers did some characters justice, but I won’t be playing this game - especially since Bethesda claims it “can’t run on older hardware”, despite the fact that modders are proving them wrong.

The Betheada bar is a cancer upon the industry and I view it as consumer facing psy-ops, relying on brain-dead fanboys with nothing going on in their lives to squeal with glee as a new AAA-title is released to fill that void.

simple,

Ah yes the “everyone who likes something I don’t like is a brainless zombie” argument, coming from someone who doesn’t like Bethesda and hasn’t even played the game.

hyperhopper,

It’s the same game as the last several Bethesda games, no need to play it to criticize it.

But even watching a few streams and videos is really enough to see even the harsh criticisms are putting it mildly.

simple,

It’s obviously vastly different in so many aspects. You realize that Fallout 4, their last mainline game, was 8 years ago?

Omegamanthethird, do games w Starfield, is it getting review bombed?
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Most of the negative commenters I’ve heard from have been reactionary. Most who play it say anywhere from pretty good to amazing.

For the record, I’m a Playstation fanboy who thinks Bethesda’s best work is Morrowind and Fallout 3.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

What did you like about Fallout 3 that makes you put it in their higher tier of quality?

Rhynoplaz,

Liam Neeson was my daddy.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

Can’t argue with that. 11/10.

Omegamanthethird,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

Early Bethesda games in general focused on giving you more freedom and the tools to do what you want. Where later games tried to give you more cool things to do. I think the quality decline is obvious from the change.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

Morrowind and Fallout NV are incredible.

Fallout 3, Oblivion, and Skyrim are great.

Fallout 4 is bland as hell.

Fallout 76 and ESO are hot garbage.

I’d put Starfield in the great tier.

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

I would rank Fallout: New Vegas more-highly than Fallout 3 too, but it wasn't developed by Bethesda. They just published it. Obsidian developed it.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

Good point.

RobertOwnageJunior,

ESO is great, though? It just has a shitty combat system with attack weaving. Even 76 isn’t that bad anymore. Honestly just seems like you get your opinion out of gaming journalism.

CharlestonChewbacca,
@CharlestonChewbacca@lemmy.world avatar

I have literally never watched or read a review of ESO or Fallout 76.

I played both.

ESO fails at being a solid Elder Scrolls game because it’s tailored more toward an MMO experience. The writing is awful, and the quests are boring. The combat sucks, and the social features are abysmal given you can’t even share quests. Literally the only reason I could imagine anyone playing this game is because they want to grind out an MMO every day that’s set in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Fallout 76, I don’t even know where to start. Again, the MMO mechanics tear out everything good about Fallout games to deliver a bland, grindy MMO with bad combat.

bighatchester,

I really dislike most of the games Bethesda makes . Skyrim I found glitchy and the sword play felt really bad . Fallout 3 the gameplay seemed like walk backwards and shoot. I did like death loop thou

caut_R,

I felt the same until I modded the shite out of Skyrim this year and now my mod list hit critical mass and I‘m having an absolute blast with it. Starfield runs worse and looks worse for me so that game needs some time in the patch and mod oven before I dive into it… I‘m patient.

tal,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

I don't disagree that the mods for Bethesda games are cool, but problem is that the barrier to getting a massive mod list set up and working after years of mods have come out is considerable.

I feel like, given the sheer size of the mod library, mod managers need something like a list of base, curated set of mods to start with, kind of what Wabbajack does, but then have the ability to add mods to it. That way, to get you most of the way to a heavily-modded game, you just pick from among a few popular modlists.

Choosing that curated set to start with would let you avoid spending hours poring over reviews of different mods and culling obsolete information to determine what you think the current-best, say, lighting mod is.

And have the ability to update to the latest version of the modlist, or roll back to an earlier.

Once that's up and going, then if you want to go tweak it or add or remove a particular mod, you can.

AstralPath,

This is the way to be. I won’t be buying Starfield for at least a year, likely longer. By that time GPUs will be able to run it easier and I’ll be due for a new one. The game will have also seen its most significant bugfixes in that time.I haven’t bought a new game hot off the press in almost a decade.

Don’t eat your burger hot off the grill, let it cool and allow it to congeal the fats a little bit. That way it doesn’t fall apart on the first bite. ;)

brawleryukon,
@brawleryukon@lemmy.world avatar

I did like death loop thou

That would make sense if you don’t like the games Bethesda makes since that one was Arkane.

c0mbatbag3l,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

You should try Prey if you enjoyed Deathloop, it’s DLC “Moon crash” was made a few years prior to Deathloop and incorporates similar mechanics except the map is randomized on each playthrough so it’s always a little different.

Same company, but it feels like Moon crash was a more interesting version of what DL did. Plus Prey occasionally just goes on like 90% off sales (one time I snagged it and the DLC free on Epic Games.)

bighatchester,

Im pretty sure I have it on epic games too will have to check it out

steal_your_face,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

I played it and thought it was mid. Didn’t hold my interest at all. I’ve haven’t played a Bethesda game since oblivion though.

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

I can see why the reviews are between ‘Best game ever’ and ‘worst game Bethesda made’ and it’s so strange. I personally love Starfield and it’s universe while my friend hates it because it’s boring for him.

Ketram,

Tbh, me and at least 2 other people I know bounced off it hard, even after giving it multiple chances in 10+ hours of playing. Some people just aren’t jelling with it even with playtime.

dylanTheDeveloper,
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

I personally like to explore barren world’s and drift around the galaxy but I can see how boring it would be for alot of people.

NuXCOM_90Percent, do games w The Shady Acquisition of EA Games

I like GN and Steve a lot and think they are ridiculously good at tech/data-based as well as consumer rights activism.

This… it is a fun video (if you like Steve) but he and his team are not qualified to talk about this topic. It is the same obnoxious youtuber “I am going to make forty jokes per minute and say every single quote in a nasty voice to show how bad they are”. Which, again, is fun but doesn’t convey much useful information and mostly just serves to spread “vibes based” news and borderline misinformation.

Most of the stuff on GNCA is pretty good and this kind of coverage is great for a quick blurb during the news show. But 27 minutes that doesn’t convey much (meaningful) information beyond a tweet… yeah.

beetus,

Steve is a master at writing a script with so many words that says very little. I like a lot of the content but I gotta take it in small bursts.

Lojcs, do gaming w Your Attention Span Is Ruining Gaming

It really is. I often find myself avoiding long games with intermittent text or dialog (RPGs!) because I get bored when there’s none and want to listen to a podcast but can’t because then I’ll miss the next dialog.

There’s also the “I’ve got something to do so I can’t deal with starting up a game” and then spending an hour on youtube

prole,

I’ve got a problem with having to watch YouTube or listen to a podcast while playing. And that includes RPGs… Though Expedition 33 has had me engrossed enough to shut the laptop while I’m playing

mtlvmpr, do gaming w You're Emulating Retro Games Wrong (you need CRT Shaders)

My aim was never to emulate but to play. Blur filters are something that I won’t be using.

jarfil,

The good ones aren’t “blur”, they’re “subpixel rearrange”.

It takes about 4x4 square pixels to emulate the subpixels of a single round one… just like it takes about 4x4 round pixels to emulate the subpixels of a square one.

mtlvmpr,

But do they still look like blur? That’s the only thing that matters. Ray tracing is also cool but if my frames die because of it, it gets disbled.

jarfil, (edited )

All pixels are a “blur” of R, G, and B subpixels. Their arrangement is what makes a picture look either as designed, or messed up.

For rendering text, on modern OSs you can still pick whichever subpixel arrangement the screen uses to make them look crisper. Can’t do the same with old games that use baked-in sprites for everything.

It gets even worse when the game uses high brightness pixels surrounded by low brightness ones because it expects the bright ones to spill over in some very specific way.

mtlvmpr,

That’s still some Vsauce level reaching that “we don’t actually even see anything”. The tech doesn’t matter when playing and if it looks blurry, then it is blurry.

jarfil,

The tech changes things completely. There are practical examples in other comments.

mtlvmpr,

I said that it doesn’t matter. Only the end result does. There is no game I would play on a CRT simply because it looks worse. It’s not an objective fact but my preference. I don’t care how you are trying achieve the “CRT look” since it looks like shit and I don’t want to see it.

jarfil,

Have you checked the examples…? I feel like we’re going in circles. There are cases where the CRT looks objectively better, supporting examples have been provided, technical explanation has been provided… it’s up to you to look at them or not.

If you wish to discusd some of the examples, or the tech, I’m open to that. Otherwise I’ll leave it here. ✌️

mtlvmpr,

There is no “looks objectively better” since it’s a subjective thing. I’ve seen those examples multiple times and they look as blurry as ever.

What makes you push this tech to these limits?

jarfil,

The objective part is in whether it matches what the creator intended.

Sometimes they intended crisp contours, like in ClearType; sometimes they intended to add extra colors; sometimes they designed pixel perfect and it looked blurry on CRT; very rarely they used vector graphics or 3D that can be rendered at better quality by just throwing some extra resolution.

Many artists of the time pushed this tech to these limits, “objectively better” is to emulate that.

mtlvmpr,

That’s not better. That’s more accurate. Is preference really this foreign of a concept to you?

jarfil,

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/ed89bb43-8e6a-4f17-a938-ab22d0447216.webp

If you call this “preference”, then there’s nothing to talk about. Like printing the Mona Lisa on toilet paper and calling it a “preference”.

mtlvmpr,

That looks bad sure but I wouldn’t look at that closely anyway and the filtered one looks even worse. I have played that game without any filters and I didn’t get any urges to use any. I have also played it on CRT but there wasn’t any choice back then.

_haha_oh_wow_, do games w Overwatch Classic | Official Trailer
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

No thanks I already fucking paid for that and they took it away for a shittier version.

CarbonatedPastaSauce, do games w Flappy Bird Returns but now with microtransactions

Awesome. The lack of cosmetics for real money was the only thing holding this game back…

julianh, do gaming w Balatro: Friends of Jimbo – Reveal Trailer – Nintendo Switch - YouTube

Wow it evolved from an Empoisoned game to a Swumbles Big Jumble game.

theangriestbird,

i’m ready to empoison my big jumbles

Dalek_Thal,
@Dalek_Thal@aussie.zone avatar

Nah, it’s both now. I call the new category Swumbles Empoisoned Jumble

Jimbo,
@Jimbo@yiffit.net avatar

Or perhaps Empoisoned: Swumbles Big Jumble

CluckN, do games w The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom – Announcement Trailer

The Legend of Zelda: Crashing the local economy by cloning goods and services.

remington, do gaming w Riven | Official Launch Trailer | Available June 25th
@remington@beehaw.org avatar

Interesting back story incoming. My brother and I worked at one of the best restaurants (at the time) in Greensboro NC USA. My brother’s roommate (Mike), for several years (1989 - 1992 I believe), had only a high school education. After working a shift at the restaurant, he’d return home and shut himself in his room for hours (this was almost every day). My brother inquired out of curiosity and Mike showed my brother his computer set-up and the types of digital graphics he had been working on. Mike sent a 3 dimensional application to a digital graphics arts school (I believe in Raleigh NC) and was immediately accepted. After easily completing this program of study (Mike was highly gifted and driven), he was snatched up by the company that developed Myst. He went from barely scraping by to making a substantial amount of money in the field he dreamed to work in.

skulblaka,
@skulblaka@startrek.website avatar

Fuck yeah, good for Mike. That sort of thing still works sometimes, but you have to be really, really good at what you do. But getting a good portfolio in the right hands at the right time is really all it takes.

UltraMagnus0001, do games w ASUS breaks your ROG Ally if you don't pay $200 for warranty repairs: SCAMMING COMPANY!

Jay stopped promoting their stuff, tech jesus just did a report on them and our fair repair guy is on it too. Fuck Asus.

DarkThoughts, do games w Starfield Review - Buy, Wait, Never touch

I have little doubt that it will be a fantastic game, and even less doubt that modders will take it to another level. The biggest travesty so far still seems to be the lack of space archery. Especially with the modular weapons I feel a high tech compound bow would've been such a cool addition.

pacoboyd,

As you said, “modders”

RisingSwell,

Gotta make sure the arrows still exist at distance though, unlike skyrim where you can put an arrow through someone and do 0 damage because you were slightly too far away.

XTornado,

That happens in Skyrim? But I remember videos of people suing fast travel after shooting from really far a way, like crazy away and then the arrow arriving where they fast traveled. Which fascinated me as I didn’t expect the game to track it.

RisingSwell,

The arrow would exist but if you are too far away it’d just phase through enemies and appear in the wall/floor behind them.

surewhynotlem,

God dammit Bethesda… Give. Me. Stealth. Archer.

Glide, (edited ) do games w [Lord Frogmire] The Switch 2 is EVIL and I'm Tired of Pretending It's Not

And I’m tired of pretending a completely unwelcome and tone deaf price increase is “evil.” I hate paying more for videogames as much as the next gamer, but the cost of living has increased by 50% in basically every metric. Rent, food, power, gas, restaurants, movie theatres, snacks, alcohol… Literally everything I spend money on has gone up between 25-50%. Nintendo is the first asshole in the video game industry cocky enough to up their prices by the same amout, and suddenly, “The Switch 2 is EVIL.” Really?

Listen, I am not a fan. $10 for a tech demo that should be packaged in is insane. But pull your head back and look at the wider picture instead of coming in here with these terminally online takes. If you can’t distinguish between “evil,” (like health insurance corporations condemning millions to chronic pain and, in extremes, death) and “shit I wish wasn’t so expensive” (like a singular brand of videogames) then maybe it’s worth figuring out where the nearest patch of grass is.

emeralddawn45,

I mean the cost of living going up in all those other ways is also evil. Corporations soullessly sucking every possible shred of profit they can from a suffering population ks evil. Its not just Nintendo but they’re defjnitely part of it and the fact that every other corporation is also evil doesn’t absolve them in any way.

Glide,

The cost of food and shelter driving people homeless and hungry is evil. The cost of Nintendo products causing people to play fewer Nintendo games is rude and unfortunate.

I’m just pissed off at all this misdirected frustration. We should be lobbying governments to manage grocery and real estate megacorps, and instead we’re creating YouTube videos about Nintendo being evil because the price of an individual game went up $20. The gap between unfettered corporate greed of UHC causing suffering on scales previously only seen in wars against Nintendo getting an extra $20 here and there if you want to keep up with their products isn’t even a fucking comparison.

LiamTheBox, do gaming w First Look at Switch 2
@LiamTheBox@lemmy.ml avatar
Lumidaub,
@Lumidaub@feddit.org avatar

What exactly was it you expected?

BakedCatboy,

I interpreted the meme as sarcastic vindication not genuine surprise.

Lumidaub,
@Lumidaub@feddit.org avatar

Gotta be honest, I don’t get that either.

Telorand, do gaming w malicious backdoor found in widely used game mod by Low Level [YouTube]

Tldr: it’s a crypto wallet stealer.

Always be wary of unknown code. Check comments on sites like Nexus. Run installers through virus checks.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

If I understand it correctly from the reddit post, this was a popular mod, that you could get directly in-game, so probably available through the Steam Workshop or something. In that case you assume everything is fine and don’t really check out, if there’s something wrong.

Telorand,

Man if that’s the case, that really sucks.

circuitfarmer,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

It is a CS2 mod – CS2 lacks Steam Workshop support. Paradox did not put it in, in favor of their own mod platform.

There was a lot of beef about the lack of workshop support, but it means it was on Paradox’s platform, if anything.

teawrecks,

Wonder if steam workshop scans for this kind of thing, or if it would have otherwise been found quicker.

thingsiplay,

This mod had some clever tricks to avoid detection from Antivir scanner. Not sure how deep and complex the Steam Workshop antivir scanner goes (if any). Hard to say if they would have found and prevented it. However, all antivir and other scanner software learned from this and now every malware using this technique could be detected instantly. At least in theory.

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Steam has some basic scans, but nothing special. This kind of thing happened before, with mods and even games.

thingsiplay,

I would assume so. Did this happen in Steam Workshop?

Poopfeast420,
@Poopfeast420@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yes. Apparently there were enough mods like this, that someone made a list to unsubscribe from them:

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=27…

Also, this time it’s the first Cities Skyline, I don’t know of any other games, but it wouldn’t surprise me.

FarceOfWill,

There were rumours about one for rimworld but I’m not sure if it was real or on steam.

bekopharm,
@bekopharm@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Heh, madlads :D Modern problems require modern solutions 👍

DarkThoughts,

At least name the mod.

FeelzGoodMan420,

I thought Nexus runs files through virus today?

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