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Jimmycakes, do games w EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility

Nintendo wondering if she’s stupid

MamboGator,
@MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

Nintendo: “Why do they not simply charge a monthly subscription to access 40-year-old games people have already bought three times?”

Renacles,

Nintendo probably thinks the team will be dedicated to stopping emulation. Games must be preserved in their original platforms after all /s.

HawlSera,

Oh God, there are 40 year old video games

Odo,

Pong is over 50. For that matter, Tennis for Two is coming up on 70.

MamboGator,
@MamboGator@lemmy.world avatar

I nearly said “20” but then realized I’m almost twice that old myself and the NES is a couple years older than me. Friggin’ millennials. We’re ruining the aging industry too.

Squizzy,

Yuzu! Fuck nintendo

Foreigner,

Should…should we tell Squizzy?

Squizzy,

Great thing about the internet, nothing is really gone

Bluefalcon, do games w EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility

See you in 3 years when the whole team is cut. You know, for not making any money.

RGB3x3,

IDK, MS really went all the way with backwards compatibility. They literally built emulators for the 360 and OG Xbox in order to let people play old games using old disks they already owned.

I’d be shocked if they didn’t stay committed to this.

Bluefalcon,

I hope I’m wrong but companies are about cutting good ideas for short term gains.

billiam0202,

The Series S doesn’t have a disk drive.

The rumored Series X refresh doesn’t have a disk drive.

It’d be hard for Microsoft to remain committed to game preservation in that way without them.

To me, this sounds more like they’re looking at Nintendo’s virtual store playbook and wondering how many times they can sell the same games to their customer base.

SlothMama,

Series X refresh isn’t a rumor, and it doesn’t have a disk drive. Microsoft also laid off their physical media dept entirely.

bitwolf,

That was seemingly really only to dunk on Sony and secure another year of sales.

bitwolf,

They could stand to make a bunch of money reselling old games with 4k, vrr, HDR, and calling it remastered.

Bluefalcon,

They could which sounds like this team or they can make do the GTA route and make a masterpiece again.

sub_ubi, do gaming w Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'

oh no my DRM machine is adding more DRM

_haha_oh_wow_, do games w Microsoft concedes that 'The Outer Worlds 2' retail price was too high — Xbox says it "will keep our full priced holiday releases at $69.99," with refunds incoming
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

$69.99

That’s cool, I’ll continue not buying your shitty, overpriced games!

If you happen to make a good one, maybe I’ll buy the fully patched version with all the DLC for $5 in a few years.

toxicbubble, do games w EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility

irony is they’re closing the 360 online store this year

smeg,

It was still running?!

Moonrise2473, do gaming w Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'

Surely this move will help them gaining ground from the last spot in the console wars

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Surely it will help them reclaim their spot as the de facto fighting game console in a scene where many people use unlicenced controllers with Brook boards.

Moonrise2473,

It only hurts the paying customer.

They should block them only on ranked multiplayer matches

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

Probably much harder to enforce after the console's launch than if they thought about this 3 years ago.

Natanael,

Not really, just let the game devs chose when to request that the console enforces stricter verification of accessories and otherwise just allow whatever

Moonrise2473,

But if someone wants to do an arcade controller, this changes almost nothing. Just solder the wires on the contact pads on an official Xbox controller. Impossible to detect via software

Even the turbo button can be done, with an intermediate IC that transforms the signal from the button to be intermittent

Coelacanth, do games w New STALKER remasters launch to 'Mostly Negative' Steam reviews as players bemoan blurry visuals, controversial changes
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the biggest problem plaguing the STALKER remasters is a strange bug that seems to cause the games to render at a resolution lower than what you set it as and then upscale it improperly, resulting in blurry, muddy visuals that persist even if you turn settings like AMD FSR Super Resolution and depth of field off.

Okay that’s… that’s not great, but should be fixable in a patch surely?

Another highly contentious change that’s drawn the ire of fans is the complete removal of everything Russian or related to the Soviet Union, including all Russian voice acting and localization, the use of Soviet rubles as in-game currency, and even every Soviet sign, statue, and landmark present in the real-world Chernobyl Exclusion Zone that were included in the original titles.

The versimilitude and basis in real world locations was a massive part of what made the originals so great, you can’t just scrub that off. I empathize with them, and I am personally firmly on the side of Ukraine but this sits really poorly with me.

The Zone’s supernatural mysteries are layered over recognizable pieces of Soviet iconography and rusting Soviet technology is a huge part of what gives STALKER its atmospheric vibe, and the absence of beloved voice lines like “Cheeki breeki iv damke!” just feels…wrong

Yeah I’m not touching these abominations. They even removed Cheeki Breeki? The single most recognisable thing in their games, the most prevalent and beloved meme?

Gronk,

Thanks for the summary and a reasonable opinion on it.

Coming to you soon, a brand new remaster… Command and Conquer: Alert ™

ms_lane,

Alert 2: Revenge

Nurse_Robot, do games w EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility

I love that

Vendul, do games w EXCLUSIVE: Xbox President Sarah Bond has set up a new team dedicated to game preservation and forward compatibility

Consumer friendly products? What is going on?

monkeyman512,

They are loosing to Sony so they have to find new ways of competing for business. You know, how it’s supposed to work.

Wish it worked that way more often.

Grandwolf319,

You know what, this makes me so happy that I’ll give ‘em that:

“Good job capitalism!”

Now I got to go wash my fingers for typing that.

Blackmist,

But just remember that during the 360/PS3 era when MS were in the lead, it was Sony trying to by all consumer friendly, advocating online cross play and having free online service.

MS weren’t interested then.

bitwolf, (edited )

they have to find new ways of competing for business

Yeah haha. Regrettably doing right by the consumers because a competitor is.

Although I would not be surprised if they find a way to make a money pit out of it. (Such as not being chill like Sony and releasing on steam, forcing users on to the Windows store)

Zink,

XBOX Game Vault is now an exclusive bullet point for XBOX GAME PASS Ultimate!

Good forward compatibility with spec bumps might be a good way to sell people on new consoles without exclusives yet.

EncryptKeeper, do games w Xbox Game Pass is getting MAJOR changes, with a new tier without day one games, and a range of price increases

It is absolutely beyond me how there is a single soul that didn’t know where this was going the very day Gamepass was announced lol

Katana314,

I’m still glad I paid for it when it was a good deal. It’s not like I was committed. The unsubscribe button is pretty easy, and I don’t need to play a lot of those singleplayer games anymore.

lorty,
@lorty@lemmy.ml avatar

You can just drop the sub now that it isn’t worth it.

EncryptKeeper,

Don’t need to, never had it lol

johannesvanderwhales,

I think people just expected them to wait until it had a larger subscriber base to make these changes. This seems like it will really kill growth.

zaemz,
@zaemz@lemmy.world avatar

Larger?! Doesn’t it already have like 30 million subscribers already? That seems pretty solid to me ha

johannesvanderwhales, (edited )

Does that include xbox gamepass core customers? Because that’s basically an entirely different service, and it’s also something you’d expect a very high adoption rate of among Xbox console owners, given the platform’s historical emphasis on multiplayer games. There’s also rather a lot of people who stacked many months of gamepass for quite cheap.

While the platform has certainly seen some success, it’s hardly in a dominant position, so making moves that make the value proposition of the service look worse is surprising.

kaffiene,

So? No one is forced to continue paying

EncryptKeeper,

What does that have to do with what I said?

kaffiene,

Your post was a strawman

EncryptKeeper,

Not in the slightest.

kaffiene,

It 100% is. You criticise people for a viewpoint which no one was expressing

EncryptKeeper, (edited )

I did no such thing lol. People had to be surprised by this turn of events based on the response to it in this very thread. Whether or not people are forced to continue paying for it has nothing to do with anything I said, speaking of straw men.

Janovich,

I got a ton of hate online when they announced the Activision deal and I said that though they’d get COD for “free” but they would almost immediately start hiking the price a lot. This has been obvious but some people refuse to think MS wasn’t going to try and recoup their $70B?

JoeKrogan, do games w Xbox Game Pass is getting MAJOR changes, with a new tier without day one games, and a range of price increases
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

Enshitification continues

ampersandrew,
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Eh, this is a case of them offering a better deal than actually ever made sense, because they expected the volume of subscribers to make up for it, but that never manifested.

FalseMyrmidon,

Loss leader to buy market share. It was never going to be profitable at those rates.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe before an Activision acquisition and the implosion of the console business model.

Aielman15, do games w Microsoft Xbox Rewards app is being shut down from December
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

Rewards is being moved from its own app to the Xbox app. Everything will keep working as usual.

curiousaur, do gaming w EXCLUSIVE: Lenovo is working on a Windows PC gaming handheld called the 'Legion Go'

Not interested at all. Steam os has spoiled gamers with the quick booting, flexibility, and pause / resume. It’s over for windows.

HughJanus,

MS has a handheld gaming OS in the works.

bear,

They don’t; there was an internal tech demo that never went anywhere but was spread around online a few months ago with a bunch of misinformation that Microsoft was preparing to fight the Steam Deck head on.

gamerant.com/microsoft-windows-handheld-mode-leak…

the developer also noted that the project itself “didn’t go much of anywhere.”

HughJanus,

Well that’s a shame but thanks for the update on that.

lazycouchpotato, do games w Xbox Game Pass is getting MAJOR changes, with a new tier without day one games, and a range of price increases
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Xbox takes a 30% cut from devs, has ads on its console and wants to charge a subscription for online gaming (now raising its price by 25%). Can’t triple dip like this, Microsoft.

Haven’t renewed PS Plus either since its price hike. Just gonna play disc games on my PS5 till the end of its lifespan.

CarbonatedPastaSauce,

Are you me?

Same situation. No PSN renewals, when my Gamepass expires later this year that’s it. I’m good with Steam. These consoles got too greedy.

UrLogicFails, do gaming w Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'

I’ve never been one to play competitive online games since I have the hand/ eye coordination of a house plant, so I can’t weigh in on the advantages of blocking controllers that are “unfair”; but as someone who hated button mashing “A” in Animal Crossing, I can say that custom controllers can definitely have a place with a console.

In my opinion, this feels like Microsoft simply wanted more licensing money and is doing it under the guise of fair online play. It reminds me of Apple locking faster charging and data transfer on USB-C to their own proprietary USB cables.

Hopefully this does not negatively affect too many people.

GunnarRunnar,

The unfair advantage argument definitely holds water, mouse and keyboard can be like a sports car racing against a bicycle. But if someone had the budget to tackle this issue through software, it would be Microsoft. So I’m inclined to agree that it’s mostly just MS squeezing money out of third party manufacturers.

If they’d care only about the “unfair”, they’d put a fair, almost free, price on the official license that covers the cost of testing or whatever. Truth presumably here is also a bit more complicated, maybe third party controllers could be easier to hack resulting in an ineffective licensing system, idk. But yeah smells like money for Microsoft and a loss for consumers.

tombuben,

Wouldn’t the unfair advantage only hold water if they blocked unauthorized accessories only with online multi-player games and leave single-player experiences alone?

GunnarRunnar,

That’s honestly an incredibly good solution.

princessnorah,

Okay, but you already can’t use a keyboard and mouse in most games on an Xbox. It has to specifically be enabled by the developer, and the game would have to be coded to even accept that input.

All HID input devices have identifiers that they communicate to the host to determine their functions. I guess you could potentially make a device that appears to be a controller and translates keyboard/mouse with a couple USB inputs. You could probably get a Pi to do that. But no one cares about winning on console that badly, they just go play on PC 🙄

Quasari,

Search xbox mouse adapter on amazon. There are so many products that do what you describe people wouldn’t care to do because they don’t care.

princessnorah,

Okay, then I’m going to default back to the fact that someone’s going to break the DRM and still make those devices, and this is only going to hurt people using accessible controllers.

Quasari,

You are probably right. Devices like these in the old days used to require you hook up an official controller to it to get past the drm. Likely will evolve back to that.

tal,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I guess you could potentially make a device that appears to be a controller and translates keyboard/mouse with a couple USB inputs

They control the console, the OS, the controller hardware, and can require the console to connect to them. They already have the ability to push out controller firmware updates. They can have the controller cryptographically authenticate to the console and push blacklists to the console of keys that get leaked (like if someone somehow extracts a key from a legit controller and uses it to make a knockoff).

FlihpFlorp,

One thing that kinda sprang to mind was accessible controllers. Ik Microsoft makes one and I’m sure there’s some approved but my thoughts are what if it doesn’t serve your needs

I’m tired so hopefully this makes sense

princessnorah,

I wonder if QuadStick has approval. Specifically designed for people with minimal to no hand function, which their controller isn’t going to fucking work for.

flak,

Given it’s advertised on Microsoft’s page for the Adaptive Controller I’m going to guess yes.

https://beehaw.org/pictrs/image/6edf6ba3-a995-48b2-960c-aabb3690178b.webp

www.xbox.com/en-US/…/xbox-adaptive-controller

Sternhammer,
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I hope this isn’t Microsoft becoming more Apple-like. That said, if this leads to a restriction on the use of cheat-capable controller accessories such as the Chronos Zen then it could be a significant positive for FPS console gamers.

It reminds me of Apple locking faster charging and data transfer on USB-C to their own proprietary USB cables.

Are you sure of that? It was certainly rumoured before the release of the iPhone 15 Pro that Apple would require MFi cables for high speed data transfer but I don’t think that turned out to be true. As far as I can tell any high speed USB-C cable will allow full speed transfer from an IPhone 15 Pro. It might need to be a Thunderbolt 3 cable, especially for recording to external SSD, not sure, I’m no expert, but I don’t think it needs to be an MFi cable.

princessnorah, (edited )

You’re correct about the specs of the device. However, after announcement/release there was controversy that the cable included in the box is only capable of USB 2.0 transfer speeds. But Marques Brownlee pointed out that the same is usually true with the included cable for Android devices too. I got a portable SSD to use with my iPad Pro and it just comes with a short high-speed cable anyway…

Edit: The included cable with the iPad is also only 2.0 speeds, even though it has a USB4 40Gbps port.

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