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Fizz, do games w Epic Games to update Unreal Engine pricing for devs not making games
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

But… photoshop is very expensive

panja,

I mean I hate Adobe as much as the next guy but photoshop is like $10/month

Virkkunen,
@Virkkunen@kbin.social avatar

Affinity Photo is $60 once and you own it forever, with free updates. It's pretty much the only actually good Photoshop replacement.

HidingCat,

They need to do a LR replacement, then I'll just switch to Affinity.

ClockworkOtter,

Darktable is an excellent replacement

HidingCat,

I'll try it again, but several years ago when I tried it I didn't find it as good.

ClockworkOtter,

There have been a few changes, but it is mostly the same I think.

Out of interest, what wasn’t as good?

HidingCat,

Workflow just wasn't as good, it didn't have a lot of the little features (search was definitely not as nice to use), and as a Nikon shooter back then, it never nailed the Nikon colours the way I wanted without very heavy post-processing, which was time I didn't want to spend.

dave,
@dave@feddit.uk avatar

Free minor updates. And if you buy it a month before a major version update, you get nothing. Ask me how I know :/.

SaltySalamander,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

🏴‍☠️

baked_tea,

Photopea is free and in browser as well

Buddahriffic,

Being a browser app is not a plus imo. I’ll take a snappy native app over easy portability every day.

Vordus,

GIMP is free and also doubles as a way to express just how much I hate myself!

panja,

Yep I use and love affinity photo. It works well for my needs.

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

It’s $21 USD from what I can see. That’s only photoshop. Help the poor souls who need more than that.

HidingCat,

Photography plan should still be US$10 for both PS and LR.

mihnt, (edited )
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, bundles. This is just cable TV/phone plans in another form.

Edit: Don’t downvote who I responded to. They are correct. Not their fault Adobe is crap.

HidingCat,

Eh, would you prefer that to be US$20 each instead? Why are you ideologically opposed to something when there are benefits?

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

I’d rather not pay a subscription in the first place.

I’ll never be a fan of sub bundles that it’s obvious that it’s all about maximum profit for the company. Why is the only bundle PS and LR? (Besides the 3d modeling crap.) Or using everything in the cloud. Why is there no “your choice bundle”? What if I just need Premiere and Acrobat? Or any other combination for that matter.

HidingCat,

Because it's aimed at photographers who raised a huge stink in the first place (I was one of them).

You don't have to use it in the cloud too, all my camera photos are sitting in my drives, none of them have been uploaded to Adobe's servers.

PS and LR at this price is cheaper than the perpetual licenses if I upgraded every other cycle, so it's been cheaper for me. Of course there's still cheaper alternatives for PS now (Affinity Photo is really good), but since I still use LR a lot and the cost is bearable, I stay on it.

icedterminal, (edited )

That’s not what I see.

screenshot of Adobe photography plan

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

I think that they are saying it’s $10 per software. Just worded it poorly.

HidingCat,

No, it's still US$10 for me for both. I wonder if it's a regional thing, or Adobe are being sneaky bastards and hiding the cheaper version of the plan somewhere.

icedterminal,

It’s 100% regional. After you mentioned it, I dug this up:

theverge.com/…/adobe-creative-cloud-lightroom-pho…

It will eventually come to everyone.

HidingCat,

Seriously, using a 4 year old article to justify your stance?

icedterminal,

Lol. I just searched it man. No need to get all defensive. It’s not an argument. Instead of replying twice, you can also edit. But I don’t see that plan at all on mobile. It seems like an intentional design choice. There is no “look harder” when it simply doesn’t exist.

HidingCat,
mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar
HidingCat,

Ah, I see, you're on "All", on the left tab. Hit the "Photo" and you should see it. They're really hiding the cheaper option now!

Prismo,
@Prismo@lemmy.world avatar

Yeh, I use 4 applications from Adobe in very limited amounts. I wish they did a pay as you use subscription! If you use them all every day it’s cheap, but I maybe use them about 10-15 hours per month at the most.

mihnt,
@mihnt@lemmy.world avatar

There aren’t alternatives to what you use? I couldn’t justify that personally.

Prismo,
@Prismo@lemmy.world avatar

Traditional I would be working on a freelance basis with companies and teams that would only use adobe, and wanted files in those formats. Though as I’m doing more and more of work just for myself the alternatives are getting more tempting.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have the $10 plan.

TwilightVulpine,

Americans will talk of $10 a month like it’s chump change. It’s more expensive than my water bill.

Now add every other tool that decides to take the same approach.

Wahots,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

$10 is also more expensive than my water bill in the US*. I purposely have as few subscriptions as possible.

*other utility bills are higher though, like sewer capacity, which is $17/mo.

panja,

If you’re using photoshop in a business or hobby capacity, $10/month is a fairly good deal.

I personally use Affinity Photo but I’m not going to pretend that it has feature parity with photoshop.

TwilightVulpine,

Paying forever is not a better deal than paying the price of a few months of use and then having it for years. Maybe a business can justify that, but for a hobby? No way.

panja,

Maybe a business can justify that, but for a hobby? No way.

Hobbyists CAN and DO get the $10/mo plan. It’s cheaper than most streaming services and if it’s a part of your workflow (as a hobby photographer, for example) then $10/month for a constantly updated software is a good deal.

Like if you don’t value photoshop at $10/month that’s okay but A LOT of people do.

Paying forever is not a better deal

I just ran into the not forever issue when I had to re-buy Affinity photo to get the newest version.

Wooki,

Gimp

This is the way

tsz,

It’s not. It’s miserable to actually use. It’s miserable to manage in a production setting. It’s just not acceptable unless you’re working for yourself.

Wooki,

“oh no I have to learn something new 😭😭😭😭”

It’s easy, real easy in a production setting. Different is not hard.

Publishing to other formats and opening more formats are an absolute strength!

errer,

Yeah…no. It’s objectively worse in many ways. Student on a budget? Hobbyist? Gimp will get the job done…but then again so will Pixlr 99% of the time. It’s gotta get a whole lot better before production houses seriously consider switching.

Lemminary,

I’d also like to add Photopea to the list. Gimp has plenty of competition that have pulled themselves up in a shorter amount of time.

lloram239,

Gimp was competition for Photoshop some 25 years ago. Photoshop has improved a lot since those days, Gimp hasn’t. Gimp isn’t even the best graphics app in the Free Software space anymore.

Wooki, (edited )

I have used gimp over the past about 15 years, photoshop & Corel suite past 10 & 4 years ago as well. Gimp is not photoshop anyone who has used it, understands that it’s a different product and frankly it does not matter. It’s very capable where it matters and the net result is it costs nothing. No rent charging for nice but not necessary features for myself.

tsz,

Bud you’re flat out wrong here.

Khrux,

I’d recommend Photopea for casual use that’s not miserable to use. It’s in browser only and is basically a photoshop clone with slightly less features, but it’s amazingly close to Photoshop when I need it to be, even with things like using a pen or a really specific option menu.

It does generate it’s revenue via banner ads but I’ve never seen them with my adblock, if I’m needing to quickly whip something up and utilise my Photoshop familiarity, it’s my go to.

tsz,

Do whatever you want on your own time 🙂

sfgifz,

I use Photopea too for basic editing, but it certainly wouldn’t be good in a professional environment.

baatliwala,

I would rather stab myself in the eyeballs than use GIMP. It’s never the way and never will be.

Chailles,
@Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

It could be worse. They could have looked towards Autodesk for inspiration.

meatand2veg,

They did, tim epic just said in the article they looked to service like Photoshop and Maya

DocBlaze, (edited ) do games w Epic Games to update Unreal Engine pricing for devs not making games

Evidently, all of Epic Games’ business had been “heavily funded by Fortnite” in the last six years, and different parts of the company became “disconnected” from their revenue streams.

Wait, so youre really telling me me Epic giving away a ton of free games on EGS every single month and free unreal engine marketplace assets to devs as well as regular epic megagrants was never a financially sustainable move?

Psssh. In other news, salt is salty. 🤭

I honestly believe Tim is not going to f–k this one up though, as a former one he clearly cares about the game dev community and as majority shareholder he isn’t needing to be driven by profits as much as publicly traded Unity head John Riccatello is.

Plus, fortnite is still a goddamn cash printer, just not printing as fast as they expected.

HeyJoe, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

As someone who has played the game from day 1, and almost every day since, it’s a shame that this game that already is on auto drive will be crippled even further. If you have a bunch of friends who just wanna chat and don’t wanna play something competitive it fills all those roles.

I guess we should expect even less changes and content going forward… I know the level creation was just created to allow the community to provide free content so I wonder what else they can do to continue this or if the game will just die off.

Blackmist, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

I played it obsessively for the first season and got pretty decent at it.

The second season started, I got disconnected from my first four games about 3 rounds into each. Played it once more on the day that you could cheese the Infallible achievement by running Hoverboard Heroes over and over.

Never played it again. Certainly never touched it since it went “free”.

HidingCat, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

Welp. I only played Murder By Numbers from them, but it's sad to see a studio you know get hit like that.

slimerancher,
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

Oooh, I didn’t know it was by them.

HidingCat,

Yea, it was a fun little mash up of VN and nonograms.

favrion, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs
@favrion@lemmy.world avatar

I remember the 29 days when Fall Guys was relevant.

Cypher,

The four days before cheating became rampant were amazing

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Wait… was it a leap year this year? 🤔

ithas, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs
@ithas@artemis.camp avatar

They just did that FF14 collab too... I think the fall guys portion of it was already accessible but I think the ff14 event is coming up next patch?

21Cabbage, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

‘Epic layoffs’ is a pretty funny term in a vacuum.

cobysev, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs
@cobysev@lemmy.world avatar

They should’ve stuck with Steam instead of going exclusive through Epic Games. Epic’s predatory practice of PC exclusives makes it hard to survive something like this. If they existed on a broader spectrum of services, this would be no big deal.

4am,

Um, they were purchased by Epic. They didn’t have a choice.

mammut,

Everybody knows first party exclusives are evil!

Thassodar,

The Rocket League devs made it work somehow.

DLSchichtl,

Not on Linux they didn’t!

TheDarkKnight,

I guess by making it work you mean not having a significant change outside of the introduction of tournaments and knockout ltm both of which were launched years ago. I love the game to death but Psyonix isn’t doing shit besides making cosmetics and supposedly migrating to Unreal 5 which we’ve not heard a peep about in ages.

I wish they would’ve actually kept developing the game but its a cosmetic collectathon now.

bobbysq,

You still can’t get Rocket League on Steam on an account that didn’t already have the game bought before it was F2P. Is this the case for Fall Guys, or did they go further and stop updating the Steam version?

echo64, do games w Report: Fall Guys dev Mediatonic "decimated" by Epic layoffs

It’s cool how you can be providing the labor for a company and then that company gets bought by another company and the shareholders who don’t actually make the thing get rich and then you get fired because the other company has a bad year even though the thing you labored for is incredibly successful.

Squizzy,

Tangentially, I haven’t played in ages but they should have made it local coop so we can have fun on the courses without having to play through the same few opening courses and deal with lobbies.

thanevim,

Yeah, them deciding that no stage is sacred and not allow for any offline or private play was extremely frustrating and made it so that I just lost the ability to give a shit at all about the game

knightry,

Custom lobbies (i.e. the exact feature you’re asking for) were launched in December 2020, in beta mode, then March 2021 to everyone. So the feature you wanted has been there for over 2.5 years.

It’s always fascinating to me to see highly rated comments that are pretty out of touch with the actual subject matter.

DawnOfRiku,

To me it just shows that they made the change far too late for anyone to even notice. It’s not reasonable to be a subject matter expert in every game one’s ever played.

Squizzy,

Exactly this, I see this a lot in the Joe Rogan…“I bet you haven’t watched all his shows, so how can you say you don’t like him” you should’nt need to know everything in detail to form an opinion

knightry,

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  • Squizzy,

    Doubling down on what exactly? Man why are you so weird accusing me of editing comments and “doubling down” when all I’m doing is no changing my view based on an irrelevant reply from you.

    And I compared the argument that “you can’t have a view on something without having an intimate and indepth knowledge of topic” especially when that view is whether or not you take part in the piece of media.

    Squizzy,

    How does a custom lobby relate to local coop? And how does it help in getting to play selected courses?

    knightry,

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    Check the edit log I didn’t change anything you odd ball

    Haui, do games w Embracer open to divesting studios, confirms more closures are likely
    @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    So let me get that straight:

    Instead of doing their due diligence, they just bought up as many studios as they could and are now considering selling, shrinking or closing them (I assume while keeping the IP for themselves if there is any as well as any valuable assets).

    This reads like a „we need to homogenize the game industry so lobbying for anti competitive measures becomes easier.“

    I still don’t understand why shit like this is even legal.

    ObamaBinLaden,

    At the same time, the industry is looking towards massive monopolization. I think Embracer move was also motivated by seeing how ABK was able to make a sale to Microsoft and cash out. Now everyone is trying to sell themselves, including EA. The buyers are usually trillion dollar tech, or Saudis (who currently own a very big part of the industry), and Chinese megagiants (who own the other big part of the industry). As days go by, we are looking at a landscape which could be similar to early era console wars where players were forced to tie their wagon to one horse and hope that it keeps releasing titles. This might sound a bit doomer speak, but if a studio the size of gearbox can shut down, then absolutely anyone can.

    Haui,
    @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Thanks for elaborating. In other words, we need to make it illegal to buy other companies if you‘re larger than sum x and make it illegal to sell a company (because all industries have that problem) to someone like that. Got it. :)

    TheCheddarCheese, do games w FTC permits Fortnite players to get refunds for in-game purchases
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  • wccrawford,

    No. I don’t know any of game that allows you to refund purchases of in-game currency.

    mindbleach, do games w Microsoft's next-generation Xbox pitched as a "cloud hybrid" console

    Mainframes are a dead end because local hardware is so cheap and powerful. This has been the case since… basically the invention of home computing. For all the promise of cheap dumb devices that roll with generational upgrades, Google can’t even keep Chromebooks up-to-date, and it’s not like old cell phones were actively supported by PS Now. It’s asking a subscription fee that people are already paying, but instead of them also buying and powering your hardware, you have to buy and power your hardware.

    All so you can… what? Fuck developers out of even more of their money? You take a third of their revenue, straight off the top. The one feature every customer says they want is a buffet system, like streaming video, where they just play whatever. But Hollywood’s currently dead stopped over the clever business model of not paying people who make all their content. The games industry has been looong overdue for a similar unionization push, and nothing would hasten that like announcing these multi-year projects for gigantic publishers would be paid at some first party’s leisure. Like it’s not enough to have appropriate compensation and future employment dangled on the basis of sales figures pulled from the marketing department’s collective fantasy. Who’s gonna put up with a model where fraudulent accounting can claim every title “lost money?” At least the cartoonists indentured to toy departments can track a dollar figure for whether their wildly popular series is allowed to continue.

    It’s absolutely going to cost more per-month.

    It’s unfuckinglikely to cost less per-game.

    How much cheaper does this have to be, up-front, before people say fuck that and build a PC? Or just go to mobile games, which are happy to suck out their brains and their wallets? The - I still can’t believe this is the actual name - Xbox Series S only costs $300. Like a Wii. It’s an impressive feat, and it underlines how much infrastructure can be brushed aside for a small investment by consumers. The kind that locks them into buying games from your pound-of-flesh storefront, and keeps that precious third of revenue away from Sony or Valve. Which you want, even if we super don’t.

    Because whatever you’ve heard about the streaming market, I guarantee it has not praised consumers for brand loyalty.

    SMITHandWESSON, (edited ) do games w Microsoft's next-generation Xbox pitched as a "cloud hybrid" console
    @SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not buying another Xbox seeing that Samsung is putting Gamepass on thier TV’s with no extra hardware required except for a controller…

    news.xbox.com/…/xbox-cloud-gaming-coming-to-more-…

    Nevermind the fact that everyone is doing cross-platform multi-player games. One of the main advantages of console gaming is everyone is running the same hardware. If that’s the future, then I’ll just play on PC.

    phillaholic,

    Samsung TV UIs are laggy as shit, I don’t have high hopes that it’ll work reliably long term.

    SMITHandWESSON,
    @SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

    The new Samsung TV’s have free sync like PC monitors…

    www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00079940/

    phillaholic,

    That may be, I have a model newer than the was written and I can tell you the menu and apps are laggy in comparison to my 1st gen 4K AppleTV. Does PC GamePass work on TVs? I can try it.

    Nioxic, do games w Microsoft's next-generation Xbox pitched as a "cloud hybrid" console

    No thanks… lol

    I want physical media

    Coz i actually own those.

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