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Lettuceeatlettuce, do gaming w AITAH for pirating games before buying them?
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

No. Intellectual property is not real, so nothing is being stolen by you.

If it’s a small developer, and you like the game, make sure to support them if you can. If it’s a mega studio, don’t feel bad about not paying anything.

That’s my personal policy at least.

haui_lemmy,

Your ethics are on point.

Chozo,

If intellectual property is not real, then why do you support the idea of paying small developers instead of large developers? Their intellectual property is just as fake as large studios, right?

I really wish pirates were more honest with themselves. Just admit that you're taking something that doesn't belong to you and own it. I pirate content all the time, but I don't do the mental gymnastics to justify it. Just admit that you stole something and that you don't care, it's not that hard. I have an old PC in my closet that has about 200 movies and a bunch of cracked games on it that I've pirated over the years, and I don't care that I stole them. The Robin Hood complex some pirates have is just weird, imo. You're not sticking it to The Man; The Man is still bankrolling more per week than the team who made the content you stole is making in a year, regardless of your seed ratio.

By the way, large studios also have developers who rely on their jobs to put food on the table, just like the small studios. If you think anybody at EA aside from the C-Suite execs are significantly richer than the average indie dev, you'd be mistaken. Next time you're playing a pirated AAA game, look at your character; the guy who spent several weeks of his life sculpting and rigging that model is probably just as concerned about paying his rent on time as you are.

By the way, this isn't entirely directed at you, specifically. Just my thoughts on the general attitude I see in a lot of piracy communities lately.

knfrmity,

It’s the same with FOSS. IP is just as fake as physical private property, but that doesn’t mean we can’t pay people for their labour.

If I find a really useful open-source licensed app developed by one or two people as a hobby, and they have a donation link in their repo, I might send them something.

If it’s a really useful open-source licensed app developed by some corporation, there’s no way I’m giving them money. The company has invested in developing the app as open source; they chose to (or were forced to by virtue of open source dependencies) make it public. The devs were already paid by the company. Whether the company takes in enough revenue by other means to pay for this open source project isn’t my problem.

SkyNTP,

Just admit that you stole something and that you don’t care, it’s not that hard.

You are not wrong, but maybe just a bit of perspective:

In my city, you can go to the public library, borrow a DVD, take it home, watch it. 100% legal. 100% free. No library membership fees. And they have multiple copies of most DVDs, so it’s not like it’s some lottery to use the service.

It feels a lot like downloading a movie without paying anyone to watch it. The only difference is you gotta go outside. Oh, and no guilt tripping.

Anyway, what’s my point? Well piracy is only illegal because some people (not everyone) decided that everyone is going to pay an equal, but not necessarily an equitable, share to fund the development of said IP (unless you have a library in your area to counter this, partially). Worse, that everyone will keep paying a very small group of people money we’ll after the development of said IP has been paid off. Even worse, that small group of people will use their profits to corrupt the legal system to ensure that that protectionism continues to serve their benefit, not others… Point being, you can pirate, and care… care a lot.

Victims are created when piracy affects small production houses struggling to make ends meet. Victims are created of everyone else when the law is abused beyond it’s original purpose to squeeze consumers.

So you too should be honest and not call it theft. Piracy is piracy, good or bad. To compare it to the crime of theft is to perpetuate the marketing of those to stand from a black and white view on the matter.

Chozo,

The only difference is you gotta go outside.

No, the difference is that you're expected to return it. You're not supposed to keep it forever. That's why there's a "due by" date on checked-out materials.

Eheran,

Absolutely wild how stuff like this is downvoted here. People are disconnected from reality as if the world is a little hippy community. reminds me of this, have fun reading.

Katana314,

That link is chillingly hilarious.

Makes me think of a simple job like garbage man; they drive up the pay to encourage people into it. So what’s the incentive without capital?

Eheran,

No worries, I am sure the local diaper boy will handle that.

SheeEttin,

In theory, you see the job needs to be done, you do it for the good of the community.

Chozo,

Jesus Christ.

I think... I think I understand conservatives a little now.

Eheran,

I do not understand them - the same way I can not understand those delusional socialism nutjobs.

Unanimous_anonymous, (edited )

It is theft, but the argument is better framed as to whether or not it’s moral theft. Most people who pirate feel comfortable pirating from larger corporations over small time creators/groups, with the usual justifications you’ve provided above. Personally, I’ve justified it at times because I couldn’t afford to purchase the thing, which leads to another argument of “if I wasn’t going to buy it in the first place, is it actually effecting them”.

There is no argument to be made, however, where it isn’t true that if you were to have purchased it, the owner of the idea will make more off of it. Whether you care or not about that owner getting more is a different argument, but you are robbing them of value for the idea, however little that value might have been.

I’m not arguing for or against pirating, but people in the comments saying it isn’t theivery really seem to be arguing whether stealing is wrong or not. Call it what it is and go back to the argument people have been having for thousands of years.

Which, I realize I didn’t address libraries. Taxes pay for libraries to operate, and then the library pays to have copies of the works. If no one wants to read my book, libraries aren’t going to just go out and buy thousands of copies. And trying to tackle libraries would also start to erode arguments for reselling something. And to bring it back to the OP, I’ve read books in a library before that I enjoyed enough to purchase a copy of my own. I’ve also read books I haven’t. But someone purchased that book for me to rent, and in a small part, I’ve paid for that book myself by paying taxes.

ayaya,

It’s not mental gymnastics. Why is it so hard to believe that people genuinely don’t believe in intellectual property? It has nothing to do with “sticking it to the man.” I just do not believe in IP, full stop.

And piracy is not stealing, it is making a copy. When you steal a physical item the original owner is deprived of that item. When you copy something the original “owner” still has access to it.

Not everyone thinks the same way you do. In fact you sound like a terrible person if you genuinely believe that what you’re doing is wrong but you’re doing it anyway.

Eheran,

You can also believe in Santa, how does it matter, to the whole society, what you believe?

Mchugho,

So if someone spend thousands of hours and a lot of money on researching a new invention that would benefit people, you don’t believe they should reap the rewards of said invention without a competitor stealing their idea? You’re basically advocating for people not to be paid for their work

Eheran,

Intellectual property is not real?

So unless I make something physical I am not making anything real? So all my work up to the point of a plant being actually built is not real?

Doing anything on a PC or smartphone is not real.

Inventing a train of thought that cures every known desease and mental illness is simply not real - because you can’t touch it. This is the equivalent of dark ages church logic.

ayaya,

You are being intentionally obtuse. It’s not that the thing itself literally does not exist at all, it’s that the ownership of ideas is not real. When you steal a physical item the original owner is deprived of that item. When you copy an idea the original “owner” still has access to it.

Unanimous_anonymous,

I find it funny you’re calling him intentionally obtuse right after you seem to just simplify theivery at whether something physical is stolen. If you’re basing it off of something being stolen or not, IP is used to protect the realized gains off of an idea. Yeah you aren’t stealing a physical something, but you are robbing the creator of what the item is valued at. It is exactly the issue that you can’t own an idea that IP is usually heavily protected. Ironically, the intention is to help new ideas(and their profiting worth) from being stolen by someone (or something ie Coporations) with better means to distribute and profit off of the idea. Otherwise, why wouldn’t I just get a copy of a game, underpriced it, and sell it as cheap as I wanted? I’ve put no thought or labor into actualized the idea, so I have no reason to price it beyond my initial investment. It why when someone (or something) sells full rights to their IP, it can be worth millions. They don’t care about the idea. They care about what the idea can provide in the future.

To draw a parallel, saying IP isn’t real is like saying currency has no worth. On the surface, duh of course currency isn’t actually worth anything. It’s not like people can (practically) eat a dollar or make shoes out of a dollar, but we’ve (generally) collectively decided it’s worth something. It instils confidence that when I walk into a store, my currency has a conversion rate of so many dollars per good. If thousands of people added millions of dollars into their bank accounts by just “copying” the electronic money, no one has lost money, but the value of the currency is deflated by those actions because there’s nothing stopping everyone from from just adding millions to their accounts. The confidence that people will be harshly dealt with for deflating the currency like that is one of the innate things that gives currencies (and IP’s) their value. Handwaving it away by saying it isn’t actually real is also just being obtuse.

ayaya,

you are robbing the creator of what the item is valued at

If I value the item at $0 then I have robbed them of $0.

why wouldn’t I just get a copy of a game, underpriced it, and sell it as cheap as I wanted?

We already do that. It is called piracy. We take it and sell it for as cheap as we want ($0).

the value of the currency is deflated by those actions because there’s nothing stopping everyone from from just adding millions to their accounts

I don’t care if the value of IP is deflated. I already believe it to be zero so that doesn’t change anything. Ideas should be free to be shared.

And before you say something like, “then nothing new will ever get made” just remember you are on Lemmy. The developers make it because they want to, not because of the money. People can still make things without profit incentive. In fact I think the world would be a much better place if we had less creations focused on making money and were left with only creators who are driven by passion rather than profit.

Eheran,

You can also steal physical items and claim their value is 0. What does this have to do with IP specifically?

Chozo,

If I value the item at $0 then I have robbed them of $0.

Luckily we live in reality, where thieves don't get to arbitrarily determine the values of their plunder.

SilentStorms,

Pirates absolutely can and do arbitrarily determine the value of their plunder. As evidenced by this post.

You can disagree with it, but piracy will always be a part of reality.

Unanimous_anonymous,

FOSS is made because people want it to be made and made available. People who make games and art vary between it purely wanting to be made and wanting to make a profit off of that. If you’re dense enough to think saying you value something at $0 and then still enjoying it like the other people willing to support the IP, then you’re an asshole.

There is a balance between what the creator is allowed to value their idea and what people are willing to pay for that idea. If they can’t find a middle ground, then the transaction shouldn’t occur. If you force that transaction by stealing their idea and efforts, you’re being a thief. What you use to justify your actions is up to you, but you’re a thief nonetheless.

ayaya,

If you’re dense enough to think saying you value something at $0 and then still enjoying it like the other people willing to support the IP, then you’re an asshole.

This isn’t even a coherent sentence. But I’m assuming you mean I’m an asshole for enjoying something without paying when other people do pay? Except if I enjoy something I do pay for it. Just because I don’t think people should own ideas doesn’t mean I don’t support creators when I enjoy something.

If you force that transaction by stealing their idea and efforts, you’re being a thief. What you use to justify your actions is up to you, but you’re a thief nonetheless.

And no, by law I am not a thief. A thief is someone who commits theft, and theft is “the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.” Copyright infringement does not deprive the owner of it, it is simply a copy. At least in the United States where I live copyrighted works are not considered stolen property. You can call me an asshole if you want but by definition I am no thief.

Eheran,

He says it is not real, so it can not be stolen. That is a pretty simple message. What am I getting wrong? He says nothing about ownership. It just does not exist. So don’t tell me I am obtuse when the maximum is that the person was ambiguous.

Mchugho,

IP is obviously real in the same way money is real. Just because something isn’t physical doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

spiderplant,

That would be a ecumenical philosophical matter.

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

The results of your ideas are real, the outcomes and impacts are real. The mental labor you do is valuable, but none of it is “property.”

If your thoughts and ideas and concepts are property that can be stolen, then please explain how you can be deprived of them.

Thinking hard about something is labor, but it’s not property, it can’t possibly be property, because it lacks all of the aspects typically required to define property.

Mchugho,

Ironically by not advocating for IP you are depriving people from earning from their valuable mental labour.

If I invent something and spend time, effort and money into developing it, I should be allowed to be rewarded for that effort. If a competitor comes along and steals my idea without putting the wok in, I am absolutely being deprived of all the value of my hard work. That’s how someone can steal your intellectual property.

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

IP laws are not the only way to ensure a creator is compensated for their work. Money isn’t the only possible compensation, and modern IP law doesn’t protect most small time creators. It protects mega-corps and their monopolies on content/products/services.

It stifles competition and progress, not enhances it.

esc27,

I used to think this way, then I realized physical property is not real either. Both are defined by the state, recorded on paper somewhere, and protected by force.

Just because you can actually physically go to my property does not change the fact that it is only my property because I have a deed.

I’m still not sure how to feel about IP but I’m less dismissive of it for now.

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

Possession of property isn’t the same as property itself. Although I agree with you that I am sceptical of property in general, at least physical property makes some sense when defined. Intellectual property just makes absolutely no sense.

hedgehog,

With intellectual property there is at least (by default) a direct link between the work necessary to create an item and its ownership. With physical items the initial ownership is necessarily predicated on having controlled a means of production.

I can create an IP and I do not need to spend hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to do so. But I cannot create a substantial physical item without paying the people who own the materials and the factories for the privilege of doing so. Why is previous ownership such a critical factor in ownership of new items, separate from the work to create them?

Intellectual property laws have their own issues but at least with regard to them conceptually, intellectual property is more “pure” than physical property.

LadyLikesSpiders,

Let’s word it differently then. Physical property is literally real, like, you can go to it. IPs are not a resource. The game devs do not run out of copies of a game because OP pirated them. They remain at an infinite supply. If someone breaks into your house and makes off with your microwave, you are now short a microwave; If you pirate software, the developer is not short in any stock of software

Mchugho,

As someone who works in intellectual property it is very much real. Unless you think people shouldn’t receive rewards for their mental efforts in much the same way as physical labour?

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

People should be rewarded for their mental labor, but that’s not the same as saying they have created intellectual property.

A thought or concept is not an object that can be stolen. An idea cannot be a scarce resource that is used up.

If concepts or ideas can be “stolen” then that means somebody is being deprived of them. But unless you somehow erased the idea from all parts of that person’s brain and transfered it into yours, nobody has been deprived of anything, and thus nothing has been stolen.

Mchugho, (edited )

Ideas certainly will become scarce products if people aren’t protected for having them.

Of course you can steal someone’s intellectual property. If you copy someone’s idea you are depriving that person from profiting from said idea and depriving them of income. There is a limit on how many people can profit from a given idea.

Intellectual property protects those who innovate against predatory practices. You are displaying naivety for who intellectual property is seeking to protect. By not enshrining IP in law you are literally stopping people from earning money from their mental labour.

If IP law didn’t exist why would anybody spend their time and money researching and creating new inventions if someone can come along and steal their idea?

Lettuceeatlettuce,
@Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

You cannot be “deprived of profit.” That makes no sense. Nobody is owed any profit for simply trying to sell something.

If I create art to sell, and nobody buys it, I haven’t been robbed of anything at all. And that fact doesn’t change if somebody walks past my art booth, looks at my painting, admires it, and then walks away. They didn’t “steal” anything from me. I haven’t been deprived of anything. Unless you want to make the claim that they are a thief now that they enjoyed my painting without paying my anything for it.

If that’s true, then everybody who walks through an art fair or gallery but doesn’t buy any art is a robber and should be arrested and charged.

The idea that IP protects the little folks who are struggling artists is a capitalist myth perpetuated primarily by corporate advocates that are the actual beneficiaries of IP laws. It’s used by mega-corps to lock down massive amounts of content, make billions off of it, exploit actual artists to perpetuate their monopoly on creative expressions of characters.

It’s also used by pharma corps to artifically restrict supply of critical drugs to the population in order to make billions in profits and enrich their shareholders.

And the whole, “nobody would create anything if copyright/patents didn’t exist” is yet another capitalist myth, disproved by countless examples. As if the entire internet doesn’t run on the back of Linux, a free and open source project spanning literal decades, Wikipedia, the largest single encyclopedia of human knowledge in dozens of languages, all the millions of pages of fan fiction and hobbiest artists that have created passion projects with no expectation of making money. Etc etc.

Don’t buy into the propaganda.

lime, do games w World's Best-selling Video Game Consoles
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

oh great, ai generated pixel art.

vivalapivo,

Shut up and keep your mouth wide

gilokee,
@gilokee@lemmy.world avatar

really? How can you tell? :(

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

the buttons on the switch and ps2, the asymmetry of the ps1 and switch, the logo on the ps4, and the lack of pixellation and strange proportions of the 360 and ps3. also the fact that only some of them have controllers depicted.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Sorry again, I know I responded below and not trying to just fight for now reason, but pointing out these different things you’re identifying that actually strongly suggest these aren’t AI, or aren’t indicators of AI or not either way.

For example, Switch asymmetry. This is how Switch directional and gamepad buttons look. It should be asymmetrical, and AI probably wouldn’t get that right like it is in the graphic. You can even see the color-distorted remainder of the “-” and “+” symbols above them, blurred to hell from terrible resizing.

Things like proportions and whether controllers are depicted are just choices either a human or an AI could make.

GrantUsEyes, (edited )

The fact that some of the icons are not pixelated is a huge ai red flag, no designer would make that weird mistake.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

for the asymmetry on the switch i was mostly referring to the silhouette. should havj clarified that.

Anivia,
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And by far the most obvious: many of the Pixels are not square, or misaligned with the grid pattern, and they also have wildly different sizes on some of the consoles

minamoog,
@minamoog@lemmy.world avatar

piss filter

gilokee,
@gilokee@lemmy.world avatar

but it’s purple

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Which is AI-generated? It looks to me like real pixel art (except the 360) very lazily resized in a non-nearest-neighbor fractional scale and anti-aliased to mush.

lime,
@lime@feddit.nu avatar

the proportions are off and the lines are crooked. there’s also the typical latent noise on places like the controller buttons.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Sorry, none of this is a clear indicator of AI. The “latent noise” you refer to is perfectly consistent with compression and resizing artifacting and noise. Proportions are often off when making “chibi” icon-sized consoles, but notably, they are consistently or coherently off. Other features are strongly suggestive it isn’t AI. For example:

  • All of the controllers have consistent layouts, including the correct number and orientation of buttons, player indicators, etc (e.g., the Wii controllers).
  • Consistent diagonal step effects, even if blurred from poor resizing (see the PS4).
  • Consistent text for all system indicators that is legible without AI artifacting, even if blurred from poor resizing.
  • The fact that the 360 and PS3 (didn’t notice initially) are not even pixel art suggests they just grabbed random icons from the web, not ran them through AI generators.
Tattorack,
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Visual Capitalist says they make all their own graphics (so not just grabbed from the Web) from a “veriaty of tools from Adobe Creative Cloud”.

Adobe has been making a huge push for so-called “AI tools” in their Creative Cloud service.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Ok - Yes, Adobe does have insidiously integrated AI tools. But again, nothing you point to here is strongly indicative of AI, and again, just consistent with sloppy & lazy resizing (which you could just as likely see pre-2020, before AI). Adobe also has a very extensive stock library which may be where these came from.

There are some really hard to spot AI generated materials possible now, but the sloppy inconsistency here is - conversely - an indicator that they don’t care much what we do or don’t notice so wouldn’t be spending the time to generate something with all of the consistent details (see list above). Instead, the consistent details suggest human-created versions based on the real systems.

zikzak025,

And a couple of them (PS3, 360) aren’t even pixelated.

UndergroundGoblin,

And the ps2 controller is unsymmetrical.

Harvey656,
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ReallyActuallyFrankenstein, (edited )

Sorry…Again, what should I be taking from this?

What is “ChatGPT font”? ChatGPT and its image tool are distillation models that do not have fonts. They produce images based on per-pixel relational distillation, they are guessing what pixels should be next to each other and do not use fonts. Current models do produce text that can be indistinguishable from fonts, but there is no single “ChatGPT font.” If there is a generic font appearing here, that doesn’t tell us anything new.

For the PS1, I don’t understand what you are referring to. The blurriness and uneven lines happen from compression artifacting and/or resizing to a non-divisible fractional resolution. You can get the same effect now if you go into Photoshop, create a 32x32 pixel image, resize to nearest-neighbor 10x, then set an arbitrary similar but non-divisible resolution with a different resampler (e.g., 56x56 bicubic), and save as JPG at <40 quality. That’s extreme, but you get aliased artifacting, interpolated stepping, and so on.

If you’re taking some other features as evidence of AI, let me know.

Harvey656,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7248fdd1-342e-4129-bd57-40d33a687c12.jpeg

I don’t understand you defending ai art, but here, the extremely obvious odd coloring texturing the surface of the ps1 would be enough for anyone to notice, but the generation error in the top is proof. This smudge line is where the ai failed on its final pass, likely to do with clipskip or whatever crap open ai uses as this is clearly open ai’s image model.

Why are you defending ai art so hard, what do you get from defending a massive cooperation?

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein, (edited )

Buddy, I’m not defending AI, and you making some conspiratorial allegation about my motivation is just weirdly aggressive. You and other people don’t seem to understand what happens with typical generational lossy compression and resizing. Randomly resize and save any image to jpeg 12 times, and see if you don’t see similar artifact noise patterns. That’s a technical literacy thing and not your fault, but the overconfidence here is. The exact thing you’ve marked above is very typical artifacting that occurs for non-AI reasons.

I also know enough to say that I can’t be 100% positive it was or wasn’t AI at some point in the chain. But I can confidently say nobody has identified credible evidence it is AI compared to a multi-generational lossy resize by a lazy designer (and no, posting a screenshot with a vague circle and “that’s obviously AI” is not great evidence - these are not twelve fingers or mush pseudo text, this is pixel level inconsistency).

The things you and others are pointing out here are very explainable without AI, and AI likely would not be reliable enough to create some of the details you see which survived the lossy compression.

Harvey656,
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I for the life of me cannot believe that a nsfw account is arguing with me about confidence while not giving an inkling of evidence themselves. You know nothing of AI “art” and it shows.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2779b781-c8a7-46a8-9092-66e2f5ef2eb9.png

Here is a ps3 i generated from chatgpt just now, it details every single thing you stated. The prompt was: “Generate me a Playstation 3 pixel art image”

If you aren’t willing to give even an inkling of proof to your claims, or even try to show proof when talking about jpeg errors then you have no grounds to stand on.

You are defending ai art, weather you realize it or not.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein,

Super obvious AI signals:

  • buttons and their colors make no sense and aren’t correlated to a real PS3 controller.
  • there’s nine status lights and literally status lights on the disk drive.
  • the text is spelled “PLAYSTA.TION”.

Yes, I’m aware AI can do “pixel art.” No, this doesn’t invalidate the specific examples and logic from my prior posts. I’ve been discussing this is good faith, but you are not, you’re just reiterating and increasing the volume and insults. Have a nice day.

Yawweee877h444,

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg,
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    Everyone but you, asshole.

    Yawweee877h444,

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    chunkystyles,

    It’s always amusing when the most hysterical person in the room tells you you’re overacting.

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  • lime,
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    ok so theyre just bad at it.

    korendian,

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  • lime,
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    maybe i do then because i just keep staring and thinking “how in the world did anyone sign off on this mess”. if it’s not ai, that makes it even worse.

    korendian,

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  • lime,
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    the graphics are ass, and the text is hard to read

    korendian,

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  • lime,
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    they’re ass because they’re inconsistent, have aliasing issues, are obviously stretched/squashed, are put against a noisy background, and in some cases are just wrong.

    and no, if the name was not on it i would not assume that the ps4 was a ps4. it looks like a modem. and the 360 has a keyhole for some reason.

    Kolanaki, (edited ) do gaming w "The balance on this game is trash!"
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    These exact types of players are why it is actually shittier to be IN a tank than outside of one and why everyone just plays as Engineer in Battlefield.

    Also dudes who get killed 50 times in the same spot, to the same dude, who then bitch about campers. My brother in christ, you know exactly whwre they are! Flank them! Use a grenade! Literally anything other than what you keep fucking doing.

    SalamenceFury,
    @SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean Battlefield players actually have a tactically focused brain. Delta Force has a problem where NOBODY plays Engineer so sometimes I’ll spawn into a game and then see that the enemy team has TEN different vehicles on the field and are completely running over my team. And then I look in the scoreboard and there are only THREE engineers out of 32 people.

    If I’m gonna be honest, gamers just seem to want a “nuh uh” button for literally any mistake they do.

    Kolanaki, (edited )
    @Kolanaki@pawb.social avatar

    If I’m gonna be honest, gamers just seem to want a “nuh uh” button for literally any mistake they do.

    They should stick to singleplayer games that allow you to quicksave and load, since that’s literally what it’s for. 🤣

    betterdeadthanreddit,

    They’re the kid who you zorch with a laser cannon only to have them pop up and say they had a deflector shield or they dodged it when you know for a fact they already used their shield a minute ago and were standing still at the time when you lined up your imaginary shot.

    RightHandOfIkaros,

    If I’m gonna be honest, gamers just seem to want a “nuh uh” button for literally any mistake they do.

    You could not have described Survivor players in Dead by Daylight any more accurately.

    • Got a map you don’t like? Disconnect!
    • Got a killer you don’t like? Disconnect.
    • Took the first hit of the match? Disconnect.
    • Killer downed you and left you on the ground for a few seconds while they chased the flashlight saver that was hovering nearby? Yeah, disconnect for that too.
    • Made a mistake and accidentally used Dead Hard too soon, or Dramaturgy gave you Exposed instead of Haste, or missed a single skill check? You got it, got ahead and disconnect for that.
    • Playing against Skull Merchant? Just disconnect! Completely forget that BHVR nerfed her so bad that they said it was to purposefully get people to stop playing her (which is a paid DLC character, BTW).

    They disconnect at literally every minor inconvenience. Before I quit playing when the infamous The Walking Dead livestream happened where they got DDoS’d live, Survivors would quit 8/10 matches I played. Just randomly, sometimes right at the beginning, sometimes after they made a mistake or got stuck on maps geometry in a chase, sometimes after I left them on the ground for 2 seconds while I checked for a flashlight saver around the corner. Its ridiculous.

    These people are so entitled that they don’t care that them quitting ruins the match for the other 4 people still in the game (or less, because when one Survivor disconnects, they all start to disconnect like schoolgirls going to the bathroom). BHVR even added an “Abandon” mechanic for Survivors, where they can just leave the match with no DC penalty if all Survivors are downed at the same time (basically when they are losing). But the same mechanic for the Killer only works when Survivors don’t progress their objective for 10 minutes or all disconnect, which is when the Killer is winning. BHVR lets Survivors quit when they are losing, but they only let the Killer quit when they are winning. Also, if all Survivors disconnect, the Killer is forced to play out the rest of the match against bots, or you have to take a loss and Abandon the game. Survivors Abandoning used to be considered a win for them, BTW, but they finally updated it to count as a loss.

    0ops,

    Also dudes who get killed 50 times in the same spot, to the same dude, who then bitch about campers.

    Oh my god these ones drive me up the wall

    WorldsDumbestMan,

    We should stop nerfing them in real life too! The Russians can’t seem to win even once.

    murmelade,

    Makes you wonder if you really needed to be strategic mastermind to excell on the battlefield in ye olde times. Surprisingly few people seem to have the idea to not walk straight at the enemy.

    Cethin,

    I play a lot of Squad, which is basically a more team-focused (and realistic) Battlefield. It requires much more thought, but still most players don’t need to have good strategic thinking. You just need to play with the team, and some people on that team need to think. With good leaders even bad players can be useful.

    Still, even on Squad you end up with people just running straight at objectives. There’s no ideal fix for that behavior, other than changing the way objectives work and not having small areas to capture, but then what’s the goal? You have to have something to fight over.

    tyrant, do games w Reminder if you're leaving Discord for this Revolt server ( Linux + Steam Deck devs / creators)

    Revolt isn’t federated, encrypted, has no video chat, claims privacy but that claim seems to be simply because they are based in Europe. The layout is nice and ui is better than element but that’s the only upside i see. I hate the matrix client ui’s and chat sorting options.

    scrubbles,
    !deleted6348 avatar

    Exactly. I wish they would have just built a great UI on top of Matrix or even XMPP, but they insisted on doing it this way. None of my friends want to switch to something that they’re boxed-in with, they don’t want an app just for one server. Matrix is the only option we have, but all of the UIs are… meh.

    dogs0n,

    Yeah, they kinda screwed up Element with combining mobile and desktop features into one app. The first time I tried creating a call on desktop, it was suddenly apparent how confusing they had made it, because you can do it in multiple ways (normal calls & conference calls).

    There are other UIs that look very nice, but sadly don’t support voice chat. Hopefully these other clients can catch up, but it’ll likely take a while.

    XM34, (edited )

    So, I briefly tried out Matrix some four years ago and left because it was utter trash and from what I gather from your comment it is still pretty much trash now. But despite there not being a single usable client, people still try to convince everyone that Matrix, by some obscrure metric, is superior to all other chat programs.

    Sorry to say, but a chat protocol on its own is a tech demo at best and as long as there isn’t a single feature complete and usable client, it’s an alternative for no one except hardcore tech enthusiasts.

    When I last used Matrix/Elements I had to deal with “lost keys” issues multiple times in just two months. This issue is a dealbreaker if it happens just once in a year and apparently, it’s still a semi regular problem for some of my friends.

    Just accept it, Matrix will never be a replacement for Discord, WhatsApp, Telegram or even just Microsoft Teams.

    poke,

    Never is a strong word. Element has made a lot of progress and I can see the potential in it to compete with some of these platforms.

    But no, it’s not there yet.

    dogs0n,

    I agree, I don’t think it’s trash. From my experience, chatting is very good, voice/video are just the next thing they are tackling.

    Better UX will probably come after important features are done.

    dogs0n,

    I didn’t mean to say that it’s (still) trash, I think it’s useable, but there are still a lot of improvements to come.

    Element as a client seems to want to do everything, which is probably great for a lot of people, but it (in my experience) has led to a poor user experience (which with more time, will likely improve, they seem to have a lot of backing).

    With Element completing voice/video implementation, I imagine it’ll be easier for other clients to reference their work when implementing their own support.

    Once the other clients get voice support, I will definitely be trying them out again, I’m sure they will make a much simpler experience that works out the box.

    The lost keys problem has luckily never happened to me, it usually boils down the user error I believe, but yeah, if it is a user error that happens often, they should figure out some way to fix that (probably a hard problem, which is sort of fixed (i believe) if you use the client on multiple devices, so if you get logged out of your account you can easily authorize your access from another logged in device, eg desktop/mobile).

    Lichtblitz,

    Also, revolt self hosting is broken. The web call functionality (WebRTC) is being rewritten but that effort is stale and out of the box it simply does not work. There is no real documentation about this either. It just won’t work and you need to invest a lot of effort to figure out why. The moment self hosting properly works, I’ll give it another shot. Not being able to connect without a fat client is a show stopper for me. There’s no way I can get enough traction for my groups if the barrier to switch is higher than a sheet of paper.

    When self hosting all the shortcomings you mentioned are perfectly acceptable for me.

    KSPAtlas,
    @KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Revolt hasn’t added federation because it can be a major complexity increase in the codebase, but apparently they might be allowing instance owners to integrate polyproto support (polyproto is a work-in-progress federated chat system). If you want a discord like interface for Matrix, Cinny exists. I personally prefer revolt in some ways as Matrix feels like it doesn’t fit the use case for discord as well.

    tyrant,

    Cinny hates me. Failed to load module xapp-gtk3-module and then unable to complete frame buffer.

    Screenshots look nice though!

    KSPAtlas,
    @KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

    There’s a web version you can use just fine

    Nima, do games w Palworld announces Terraria crossover
    @Nima@leminal.space avatar

    i love how terraria is the 7th best selling game ever and they are just chill with everyone.

    i adore the dedication to fun. they just keep rollin.

    colderr,

    Re-Logic is just chill overall. Barely any drama and they respect their players. Which I love!

    sunflowercowboy,

    Red making the best Mario fan game is just a weird factoid.

    chiliedogg,

    My understanding is they keep adding features even though they’re supposed to be done because they still play the game constantly themselves and end up wanting more content.

    Nima,
    @Nima@leminal.space avatar

    its true. the biggest terraria fans are the devs.

    chiliedogg,

    If you do what you love, you’ll be constantly working the rest of your life.

    TriflingToad,

    I know this is probably isn’t true but it’s my head cannon that they’re just really afraid to put out a “state of the game [month]” posts without anything in it

    TheAlbatross, do games w I think Sims is a dead franchise now

    Life by You’s cancelation was a big disappointment to hear. I figured if any studio had an understanding of emergent intercharacter storytelling in the way a Sims game needed, it was Paradox.

    That said, Para-Lives is still in the works and looks quite promising.

    There’s still hope. Just not from EA.

    pennomi,

    Mmhmm, Paralives looks like it’s going to take the world by storm. I’ve been following their development and they’re doing really good things.

    Buttflapper,

    Mmhmm, Paralives looks like it’s going to take the world by storm. I’ve been following their development and they’re doing really good things.

    Don’t get your hopes up. It never lasts. These small indie studios create something truly insane that’s so fun and incredible, and then big gaming studios like EA come in and ruin everything. A lot of people seem to forget that Maxis, developer of Sims and SimCity, used to be completely independent. EA bought them out and ruined the entire thing, now they basically don’t exist anymore. Who is to say that the developers of Paralives isn’t going to do the same thing? Guarantee they get a stupendous amount of money offered to them and they sell out, and they would be stupid not to. Who wouldn’t sell their franchise for tens of millions and never have to work a day in their life ever again?

    pennomi,

    Just like ConcernedApe and Stardew, right? Redigit and Terraria?

    I wouldn’t say never. A lot of these indie creators love their creation enough to not sell out.

    zipzoopaboop,

    Maxis made terrible decision after terrible decision. They had no money and ea bailed them out and redesigned sim city 3k to actually be possible on modern hardware, while allowing dollhouse to continue and turn in to the sims 1. Then Sims 2 and 3.

    Hate on ea all you want but Maxis fucked themselves up and ea made all of the sims possible.

    Pika,
    @Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

    paralives is so slow development though, and the lack of teaser releases concerns me about the quality. I have high expectations for it as well but starting to grow concerned

    Why9, do games w The Game Awards 2023: List of Winners

    It honestly made my night to see Neil Newbon win the best performance for Baldurs Gate 3. With him talking about how he pretty much gave up on acting and went through some pretty rough times and discrimination before getting into voice acting, it’s amazing to see him finally be seen.

    And let’s be clear, he wasn’t just a voice actor in BG3! He had to mocap as well as read his lines. His likeness was captured in Astarion perfectly. He was a full actor here and did an incredible job. Best performance was well deserved.

    Oatsinator,

    Ben Starr was my personal pick, as he poured his everything into the role and has continued to do so on social media. He’s so incredibly proud to represent such a character. All of the nominated performances this year were spectacular and it was a very hard choice

    iheartneopets,

    I just wish they have the man enough time to give a proper speech!! He was barely half a minute through his thank yous before they were shooing him off stage. It was so disrespectful. Let him have his moment, this is a huge deal. It’s not like he was rambling on.

    All that just to make room for more fortnite ads. Disgraceful.

    thedirtyknapkin,

    i mean, least year they had the opposite problem. this was likely just over-compensation

    iheartneopets,

    I hope you’re right.

    bob_lemon,

    I didn’t know who he is out which character he voiced, but my immediate thought upon reading was “he’s gotta be Astarion”. Phenomenal performance.

    Davel23, do gaming w Pet peeve, games that won't let you save

    The thing I fucking hate is when the game doesn't make it obvious when a checkpoint is activated. Then you go to quit the game: "Everything since the last checkpoint will be lost". Well WHEN WAS THE LAST MOTHERFUCKING CHECKPOINT, ASSHOLE?

    nlm,
    !deleted4210 avatar

    Yeah, it really can’t be that hard to show a saving indicator…

    995a3c3c3c3c2424,

    I hate that even when it is obvious. If I save and then immediately quit and it says “everything since the last save will be lost” I’m always paranoid that it means I didn’t actually save correctly.

    Erk,

    “obvious” means, I think, that it says something like “last saved 5 seconds ago”

    995a3c3c3c3c2424,

    I mean, I hate that too. “I’m going to lose 5 seconds of progress?! Oh no!” It ought to be able to see that I didn’t do anything progress-relevant in those 5 seconds and just skip the dialog…

    fuzzywolf23,

    Now you’re talking about doing a save state comparison to avoid one line of dialogue. Have fun with the preceding lag spike, I guess.

    Skates,

    Add counters to progression:
    20/180 quests completed
    1805/9456 dialogue choices explored
    567/568 npcs killed
    95/102 areas explored
    And whatever else you define as progress

    Add this info into your save data. When quitting the game, open the most recent save, read the counters, compare to current values, display a nondescript “you’ve had a little/a lot of/no progress since you last saved, are you sure you want to quit without saving?” Shouldn’t take so long that it triggers a lag spike, I don’t think.

    sukhmel,

    Will a change in position be considered a progress though? How far?

    There are a lot of questions to answer in such a case, so I’d argue that a timer is good enough

    Soulg, do gaming w Whine harder you assholes

    I dunno, most games the sexuality of the protagonist is completely irrelevant, and in those cases id tell both sides to stop whining or just play a different game

    Smoogs,

    This is a case of double standards.

    If you weren’t willing to call it out before when it was heavily one sided, you shouldn’t be calling it out now.

    You’re making it relevant by calling it out at the worst possible time.

    Buddahriffic,

    I’m not seeing the double standard there. Their overall stance sounds like they don’t gaf about anyone complaining about the sexuality of characters in video games because it’s often completely irrelevant to the game itself.

    Or did I misunderstand and you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not seeing the double standard there.

    If you sleep through all the romantic subplots of the last 40 years of RPGs, but you wake up offended when you discover that Ellie and Riley Kiss at the end of The Last of Us: Left Behind, you’re working from a double standard.

    you mean that since they didn’t call out people complaining about a lack of gay representation they shouldn’t call out everyone complaining now that the complaints go both ways?

    Basically this, yes.

    Buddahriffic,

    It just wasn’t clear what the “this” in the comment I replied to was referring to, the OP or the comment it replied to. My own comment assumed it was saying thr comment it replied to had the double standard, but I see now that it might have been agreeing with that comment’s sentiment but saying the OP was about a double standard.

    Bennyboybumberchums,

    No one gave a fuck about Ellie and Riley kissing in 2014. It wasnt until after the culture wars started that it became a thing. Im still not even sure it is a thing, since everyone was saying that not liking part 2 was only because you dont like “the gayz”. Which is bullshit. The fans of the game, knew for 6 years that Ellie was gay, and that she was going to be the only playable character(which turned out to be bullshit), and everyone was still looking forward to it.

    Then the leaks happened, and all of sudden half the fans are bigots…

    Katana314,

    I’m in a perspective of hoping for more romantic subplots of any kind. I never played through any generation of RPGs that made those popular, and when they were there, they were hastily written in, or just optional.

    It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story. Those who know, know I suppose.

    One thing that helps in its case is, it doesn’t advertise on the box “Romance 1-1000 characters!!” IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s why I’m excited for a certain JRPG remake that puts one such relation (between a guy and a girl) front and center, so much so that it becomes a driving element of the story.

    Are we talking about FF7 or something else?

    IMO, a good romantic plot sneaks up on you after you’ve invested in the characters.

    That’s good writing for you.

    Katana314,

    Honestly, I suppose FF7 is another great example, but I was thinking of the Trails in the Sky remake due out in a month or two.

    Sorry if that’s a vague spoiler. It wasn’t even something I knew about the game playing through, but the slow-impact delivery of it worked fantastically.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    I thought I was pretty up on my JRPGs, but I’ve literally never heard of this franchise before today.

    Katana314,

    Probably one of the best ads for it:
    Reactions to the first game’s ending, with no spoilers

    Soulg,

    I’m calling it out right now because someone posted a meme and I’m replying to that post. I am not against more representation in video games, and I find people who whine about it to be annoying children.

    state_electrician,

    Also, nobody is forcing anybody to play a game. Every gamer already chooses to not play most of the games that exist. What’s one more?

    kepix,

    how dare you stating facts

    Zedd_Prophecy, do games w First they came for steam, then they came for itch.io .

    This morality police crap being carried out by the most immoral bastards on the planet needs to stop.

    Rekorse,

    Yeah! Let’s sell pornos out of candy shops too! Fuck morality policing!

    Zedd_Prophecy,

    except nowhere on earth is your example happening.

    SkyezOpen,

    When did you jerk off last?

    Rekorse,

    Right after I read your comment!

    qarbone,

    When did they say “fuck morality policing”, or even “let’s all stop policing morality”?

    Either you piggy-backed off a comment to be a whole weirdo. Or you neee to up your reading comprehension.

    jumping_redditor,

    why not?

    kilgore_trout,

    The issue at hand is that it’s being made impossible to sell them at all.

    Iambus,

    Yep fuck morality policing and anyone who supports it, hope you all rot in hell etc.

    Rekorse,

    Applause for such a brave opinion!

    deaf_fish,

    No one with a brain is suggesting this. It should be up to the service and government to create rules to allow or not allow harmful content. It should definitely not be a payment processor.

    Rekorse,

    Businesses shouldnt be allowed to refuse service for any reason!

    deaf_fish,

    What if you refuse to bake a cake because you have no sugar?

    Rekorse,

    Pure fraud, most likely.

    deaf_fish,

    Ah, ok, 99% chance you’re a troll. 1% chance that you’re deeply mentally challenged and it’s a miracle that you can type out sentences.

    Rekorse,

    Dang, look at you coming up with not one, but TWO possibilities! Super proud of you!

    joenforcer,

    You realize that you’re defending a game that was literally a rape and incest simulator that was already banned in multiple countries before the payment processor issue occurred, right?

    onlooker, do gaming w Funko Pop abuses domain name reporting system, takes down itch.io
    @onlooker@lemmy.ml avatar

    I used to not like Funko Pop, but that changes today. I now loathe them.

    propter_hog,
    @propter_hog@hexbear.net avatar

    All my homies hate Funko Pop

    owenfromcanada, do games w Does AAAA just mean awful triple A games now?
    @owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m gonna release a AAAAA game. It’ll cost $95 and when you install it, it’ll just be a romhack of Super Mario World changing all the enemy sprites into butts. There’ll be a link to file complaints that just points to a terrible image made in ms paint that says “lol f u”.

    My stock prices gonna hit the moon.

    Mesophar,

    I’ll only support this if I can pre-order it for double the price, and have an option at launch to pay an additional $50 to make the butt sprites into dickbutt instead

    glitches_brew,

    I’ll pay triple if I can play it 25 minutes before anyone else has access.

    owenfromcanada,
    @owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

    The $50 dickbutt DLC isn’t scheduled to be released until a month after the launch, but for an extra $70 you can get the limited edition collectors edition at launch, that comes with a cheaply made Mario-with-a-butt-instead-of-a-head limited edition figurine.

    And for $40 you can also purchase the “getting started” pack–that includes a save file where we beat the game, so you don’t even have to play it. Your name, email address, and SSN will be on our first-to-finish list!

    the_post_of_tom_joad,

    What about us whales? Can i pay triple and have a digital art book and a poorly painted plastic dickbutt figurine?

    Exusia, (edited )
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    And for $70 more you can play it 2 days early! For why? No fucking reason other than to flex! Gotta flex on those poors by getting it earlier than them amirite?? This ensures you will be invested in our product from the very start and you are the type of person who we can do no wrong.

    And for $30 there’s 2 extra skins that are just the worst looking piles of shit. But again if you don’t have them how will you flex on the poors? This is lumped in with the earlier assurance that we can do no wrong in your eyes.

    And the battle pass is $10 - every 30 days. It has nothing of value except at tier 150, which is a new flagrantly pay to win weapon. This ensures we own your time, every month.

    But also we didn’t finish the game, instead we released a roadmap. We will scrap this roadmap a week and a half after the disastrous launch because the game sucks so my donkey dick we cannot possibly add content to the absolute bugfest of a game. This is an abuse of loyalty to our brand, but you’ve stated you don’t care as long as you get to play it.

    Now that the game is out for a month, we’ve added a cash shop. This flies in the face of regulation on the box not indicating gambling elements, but fuck those stooges standing in the way of our profits! We can make a new box with the proper markings on them in a month. Surely you would like to buy a sword skin or character skin beyond looking like normal Mario right? Also there will be at least 1 skin that blends in with the background a little too well and attracts p2w allegations for the multiplayer mode. We don’t care and neither do you because you will buy it. You wanna be a winner right?

    We noticed you’re already level 8, congratulations! We halved level reward drops, but increased rarity of those items by 30% but from here on we tripled enemy hp at every 10 levels to make sure the game is a slog, so you buy overpowered shit from the shop and battle pass.

    You reached level 10 in only 5 hours? That’s amazing! How about a XP Booster? Like the above we actually made progression become ungodly slow after level 10 unless you pay us $35 for an XP booster - in a single player game. We will make sure this pops up every time you level up to remind you we intentionally slowed progression so you make this purchase.

    Also we can’t help but notice you picked up a Fancy Locked Box. You can divert from the main quest to grind the crafting materials and it will take 6 hours to craft, OR you can buy a key for ONLY $5! This will pop up EVERY time you pick up a Locked Box with the option to go to the shop, and be SUPER disruptive, to get you to cave.

    And lastly, a “donate” button on the main menu where you just give us money for nothing, because at this point why not right?

    pruwybn,
    @pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    This comment is more effort than the person you’re responding to was going to put into the game.

    Exusia,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    But not more effort than management put into ruining a game

    Wahots,

    Don’t forget the meta where a new paid DLC weapon is super unbalanced and great for two weeks until the devs nerf it into the ground and everyone goes back to the default weapons that are just ok.

    Exusia,
    @Exusia@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh shoot I knew I missed one! The battle pass is weapon is op and then we will nerf it just before the next battle pass drops, to ensure an OP/Nerf cycle to enforce you always have the newest battle pass and buy tiers and have more time than filthy grinders to abuse it’s OPness

    Timecircleline, do games w What games popularized certain mechanics?

    Slay the Spire spawned a ton of deck builder roguelites.

    SpraynardKruger,

    Without which we wouldn’t have the only true deck builder roguelite, Rogue Light Deck Builder.

    youtu.be/FC0QczcuFX0?feature=shared

    yamanii, do games w What's up with Epic Games?
    @yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

    Epic’s CEO has a hateboner for everything Linux.

    MicTEST, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

    Maybe don’t call them normies.

    DebatableRaccoon,

    Would you prefer ‘filthy casuals’?

    loops,

    “Peasants.”

    but you have to spit the ‘p’.

    DebatableRaccoon,

    That’s what I call anyone with anything less than a 3070/6700XT, not just the technologically illiterate

    datavoid,

    I feel personally attacked

    DebatableRaccoon,

    If it makes you feel any better, it took effort to lean into my Master Race side that hard 😂

    loops,
    Hadriscus,

    Pheasants

    loops,

    bang!

    oo1,

    "gooeys"

    teawrecks,

    In my day we called 'em n00bs.

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