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A_Random_Idiot, do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus

Is this the first time Steve has said an uncensored fuck?

Its at least rare enough that it stood out enough for me to pause the video and go back to hear it again to confirm.

icedterminal,

Same. My jaw dropped. Absolutely loved it.

Enoril,
@Enoril@jlai.lu avatar

Yeah… i had to replay it too. He was quite upset.

Steve has no patience for people or company that lack empathy and abuse people.

Remind me his reaction to the email of Artesian CEO, he was quite upset too.

A_Random_Idiot,

i dont remember this, got a recap/link?

Enoril,
@Enoril@jlai.lu avatar

This one: youtu.be/d9NzY8TDCAY?t=19m00s (’Steve Loses It’ chapter)

A_Random_Idiot,

I appreciate you digging up the link and even timestamping the relevant area. Top class, thank you very much.

Also I forgot just how utterly massive of a cunt the Artesian CEO was. Man had significant Elon Musk vibes, Just didnt have the money or family money to stop his fall.

Plastic_Ramses, do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus

Had to rma my kraken z73 because of a known manufacturing flaw

Took 5 weeks to get a replacement.

Fuck nzxt.

Microplasticbrain, do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus

Oh I made that decision when they tried to replace the screws on my recalled rizer cable instead of replacing the whole unit on a $500 pc case. Get fucked nzxt

ceenote, (edited ) do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus

Well shit, wish they’d posted it before black Friday. It was only an AIO.

Edit: Cancelled. It was the wrong size, anyway. Sad I’m not gonna have a small LCD on the right one, though. NZXT was by far the cheapest in that respect.

stardust,

I like my arctic liquid freezer aio. Wanted a simple one.

ghostsinthephotograph,

Same boat - just ordered an AIO directly from them and see the “we’re building your pc” emails. Hoping there’s not shenanigans with this.

AceTKen, (edited )
@AceTKen@lemmy.ca avatar

Just FYI, as per their own terms you can cancel up until it ships.

ScreamingFirehawk,

If you live somewhere with consumer rights, by law you can return it no questions asked within 14 days of receipt (actual length of time may vary, UK is 14 days)

Wooki,

So is Australia, and these contracts will end them in court here real quick with potentially two Government departments: ACCC and ASIC. Feel sorry for Americans.

ampersandrew, do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

tl;dw A debt trap that’s such a bad deal that you’d be better off financing it with a payday loan. They lie about their terms and their PC specs. They advertise no contracts but absolutely have contracts, and the terms are awful.

Trainguyrom, (edited )

A debt trap that’s such a bad deal that you’d be better off financing it with a payday loan

Literally a lower monthly payment, lower total paid and you end up owning a computer if you finance your computer with a predatory payday loan than with this rental program (per GN’s math)

Edit: at $259/mo that’s already $3108/year or 2-3x the cost of a good midrange DIY PC. Also at an incredible 36% interest rate because this hypothetical individual purchased a $3000 computer on a credit card and only pays a bit more than the minimum towards it, that’s only $177/mo on a 24 month loan. Or if you just got a $1500 computer (a pretty dang good computer!) on a 12% APR personal loan (pretty common from banks) you only pay $133/mo for 12 month, own the computer and only pay a total of $1600

The only way to make this rental program look at all good is if you are literally using the computer to make money but have very littlemoney upfront for a decent enough computer to do the same job (basically the “rent it for 1 month and win a fortnite tournament” fantasy one paid promoter suggested) except, oh look, you can buy a laptop from Dell for $520 or less than two months rental cost if you really don’t have the budget and then use that to make your money to fuel your future baller PC purchase. And I can assure you, that business laptop can run Fortnite if that’s your concern, because Fortnite will run on any potato PC if you turn the prettiness down enough.

https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/0892b406-49da-41b1-9baa-80ecd254a637.png

Edit 2: Also I just found a similar laptop in 1 minute on ebay for $255 to further kill that “spend your allowance to rent a computer for a month to win a fortnite tournament” fantasy

SuperSpruce,

$259/mo??? I expected the price of a couple streaming services, but this is more like car payment territory.

Trainguyrom,

I glanced at their site earlier (but after posting this comment) and it starts at $59/mo for a budget system with a 10th gen i5 and an RTX3050 so probably a $500ish PC when DIYed. And they have about a half dozen tiers above that up to the top $259/mo which is probably a $3000 PC if the parts were current. It’s still a bad deal no matter how you slice it though

TheFeatureCreature,
@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

And they are using paid influencers to promote said debt trap to those that don’t know any better, particularly children.

Probably the most insidious part of this to me. Seeing those clips of “influencers” pushing the idea of convincing your parents to get you a rental PC. Disgusting.

TowardsTheFuture, do games w Do Not Buy NZXT | Predatory, Evil Rental Computer Scam Investigated - Gamers Nexus

Commenting to watch this later

catloaf,

There is a save button.

TowardsTheFuture,

Yeah but I don’t ever use or look at that. Honestly, almost never go to look for shit later on here, so not a habit I have. So if I did save it, I wouldn’t see it til like 6 months from now and I’d probably just go… why the fuck is this saved? And delete it.

atrielienz,

Sometimes the save button doesn’t give you context for why you saved it and it’s not something you check everyday.

ubergeek,

There are also things called elephant trails.

People commenting to be able to easily come back to the topic are creating an elephant trail, which will exist regardless of the UI designer, if the software allows people to do it.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

Except that the “ui designer” of most (all?) of the lemmy themes and apps have support for saved comments.

So no, it is just people being stupid and not understanding how websites work.

ubergeek,

You can fight the elephant trails, or accept them being there. Your choice.

DudeDudenson,

I don’t understand why people get angry enough at this to down vote it

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

it’s not about anger, the point of downvoting is to put low effort or other random crap comments below any others that may actually contribute to the topic.

atrielienz,

That doesn’t work for me on Lemmy because in the app I use it doesn’t sort comments that way. So I see the comments basically newest first. This is reddit behavior is what it is.

catloaf,

Your app should have a button to change the comment sort. I use Boost and it does.

atrielienz, (edited )

Sync doesn’t do this by default (I haven’t changed any settings to this effect). I’m currently in settings now looking for a setting to change just to see.

Edit: Under settings there is an option for setting comment views (settings/comment options/comment views). However it defaults to new. Additionally it does the same thing in my bed browser using Alexandrite.

The point is though this doesn’t work for everyone using Lemmy and it’s definitely a carry-over habit from reddit and similar messageboard style sites.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

if that was the intended layout of lemmy comments they wouldn’t have vote buttons at all.

atrielienz,

Lemmy is meant to be a direct alternative to reddit and it copies plenty of design and user elements from there that don’t necessarily fit with the overall user use case here. There are whole instances without downvote buttons for example. This is an over-arcing statement that lumps together a bunch of instances and user bases that don’t necessarily comply with such a notion.

acosmichippo, (edited )
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

This is reddit behavior is what it is.

Lemmy is meant to be a direct alternative to reddit

There are whole instances without downvote buttons for example.

well this is not one of those instances.

Aatube,

it's a single click

BossDj,

I do appreciate the idea of having some note you create to go with why you saved something. I’ve definitely saved stuff and forgotten why

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Its single click more attention than it deserves.

Nighed,
@Nighed@feddit.uk avatar

But by clicking it, you save other people’s attention!

franklin,
@franklin@lemmy.world avatar

commenting to watch this later

proton_lynx,

Watching to comment this later

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Lol at all the down votes… people could also have not engaged with your post… but apparently there is a right way to use your posting privileges and you broke the law.

embed_me,
@embed_me@programming.dev avatar

Commenting to downvote later

ManixT, do games w Bug Fables - 5th Anniversary - v1.2 New Content Trailer

Bug Fables is a great JRPG-style game. Would love a sequel instead of adding fishing and stuff to the original.

Nexy, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit
@Nexy@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This is so nicee

_sideffect, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

PS6 gonna cost us $2k

fluxion,

Those sweet sweet Trump tariffs

stardust,

Crypto first came for GPUs then AI came for GPUs. And now tariffs are coming after everything. I don’t like these sequels.

someguy3,

Xbox [random number or letter] has entered the chat.

SynopsisTantilize,

Xbox Series X Plus Digital Pro edition.

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

I’m still waiting for the PS9. Can’t imagine how much nanospore technology is gonna cost.

Dariusmiles2123, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

Good luck to that lawsuit!

I’ve nothing against Sony, but I want some of these companies to lose some of these cases just to remind them that we should own what we buy.

SynopsisTantilize,

Nintendo deserves that.

_cryptagion,

Nintendo deserves a lot worse than that. It’s why I pirate all their games, even though I have a Switch laying around somewhere.

Mario plays better on the Steam Deck anyway.

SynopsisTantilize,

I’m jealous. I want a steam deck. My switch is a glorified smash And southpark dog emulator. It’s covered in dust…

_cryptagion,

I can’t overstate how nice it is having a tiny little Linux gaming PC in your backpack. It can run the majority of games I throw at it, from Cyberpunk 2077 to Stardew Valley. I replaced SteamOS with Bazzite, which is a little better IMO. And for the games I can’t get good performance with, it’s seamless to stream them from my Linux gaming rig. It also obviously works great for ROMs, and while some Switch games are glitchy, most run very well. You don’t have to limit yourself to games on Steam either, since it’s pretty easy these days to run any Windows, MacOS, or Android apps or games on Linux, and Heroic gives you 1-click installs for GOG and Epic game stores.

Battery life is around two and a half hours for a game like Cyberpunk 2077, and as much as 7-8 for something like Stardew Valley.

SynopsisTantilize,

Do you think that Linux mint would fair well on it? I do like my Linux mint lol.

I’m rocking a 1060 in all of my builds and my laptop so im already used to medium Gfx at best.

_cryptagion,

You could install that, yes. But keep in mind that distros made for the Deck include the game mode for the Deck, as well as Steam Input, which is one of the greatest things Valve has made, allowing you to make complex macros and rebind every part of the Deck, from the buttons to the trackpads or even the gyro, in almost any way you want. Without those things, the Deck is just a PC with a very small screen. Steam Input is what makes many games, even ones that were never meant to be played with a controller, viable on the Deck.

SynopsisTantilize,

I might be misunderstanding but isn’t that a function of steam itself? Not a custom OS? And game mode is just big picture mode?

xavier666,

Game mode is way better than big picture because

  • support for decky loader
  • control system level settings from game mode itself
  • has gamescope which handles win32 game settings much better
  • disables other OS processes/the desktop and frees up resources (not sure about this)
  • control more things with controller instead of the touchscreen
_cryptagion,

No, game mode is a specific mode made for the Steam Deck and other portables. I believe people have also gotten it to work on the ROG Ally. It replaces the desktop entirely while active, and only Steam games, and games that are added as a shortcut to Steam can be launched. It is not something that is launched from Steam like Big Picture mode, and while it is active, there is no desktop, and no other way to interact with the Deck. Using the desktop normally requires exiting game mode entirely.

ryathal, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

Maybe one day enough younger people will be in elected that understand computers aren’t magic. There’s no fundamental difference between selling a DVD and a digital movie, from a legal perspective.

cybirdman,

Ironically, from what I can see, the younger generation understands even less about computers. It’s like everything is so simple to use (smartphones, consoles, tablet) that they no longer need to understand the technology behind it.

Dagamant, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

yeah, dont buy digital. If its not available as a physical product steal it.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d be happy with DRM-free video purchases, but they don’t exist like they do for video games, and even video games aren’t available DRM-free across the board.

otacon239,

It’s not necessarily cheap or convenient, but building a physical collection of Blu-Rays (or DVDs if quality isn’t priority) is something that can’t be taken away.

Add on a compatible Blu-Ray drive to your computer and you can even rip the digital files yourself. It’s taken me a few years, but now I never have to worry if my favorite movie is available when I want to show a friend. It also makes them easy to loan.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

I’d very much prefer to not even have them take up shelf space, but it’s the only way that exists to actually own a copy of a movie or TV show. I have ripped a number of them, but if someone made the GOG for movies, I’d move all of my purchases over there.

Flocklesscrow,

The marginal cost of information goods is zero. Digital Capitalism is inherently a scam, even moreso than physical products.

sartalon,

Unskippable ads, required downloaded updates, region restrictions…

Nah, I’m downloading that fucking car, I’m done giving movie studios chances to be reasonable.

They were good for a bit, but they are a slave to stock value and their finance bros will take every opportunity to squeeze you for revenue, ruining every experience.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

Fun thing, even a DVD or Blu-ray is technically licensed by them, and they claim they have the right to revoke it whenever they want. In the case of Blu-ray they have tried to do this via “updates” to the Blu-ray players

CosmicTurtle0,

I remember complaining on Amazon about the price of digital books when they were still relatively new. They wanted me to pay the same price for a digital book as a physical book. Back then, Amazon still had pretty decent customer service and wrote me back saying that the price for the book wasn’t for literal pages but for the work in making the book, etc. etc.

I told them I understood that but I don’t get the same rights with the digital book as I did with the physical, namely the right to sell the book.

Books, board games, etc. any physical media is technically a license, yes. BUT the copyright holder cannot bar you from doing whatever you want with the physical copy, within the limits of copyright law. Those same rights simply do not exist with your digital copies and, in fact, is often codified within your terms of service that you don’t fucking own anything and they can pull your license at any time.

DVD is next to impossible to revoke while Blu-ray is not. But you can’t revoke Blu-ray licenses to specific people but to regions. I haven’t heard of this happening but if it did, you could, in theory, still play your Blu-ray disks on players that aren’t connected to the internet to receive those updates. That said, I’m like 80% sure that Blu-ray keys have been leaked and you can rip them like DVDs today.

scrubbles,
!deleted6348 avatar

I am not saying you can or you can’t, but if you could, and I’m not saying you can, I would have full DRM-free backups of every Blu-ray I own.

Bookmeat,

I’m not saying they would or they wouldn’t, but if they would, and I’m not saying they would, they would distribute the keys to the Blu-ray players online so other people could use their rightfully purchased discs in any way they pleased on their own hardware.

BeardedGingerWonder,

I’m not saying you you should or shouldn’t, but if you did, I’ve heard it’s possible to access a backup of the original even if you don’t have an original disc.

_cryptagion,

I am not saying you can or you can’t, but if you could, and I’m not saying you can, download basically any ebook or audiobook you want from “mouse torrent site”. It’s a private tracker, so you do have to apply for membership, but it’s the best place on the net for books.

I grab audiobooks from there, then pipe them straight from qBittorrent into an Audiobookshelf server so me, my family, and my friends can stream them to any device.

someguy3,

Sony owns Blu Ray tech but not DVD. DVD was industry consortium to prevent a repeat of the VHS and betamax war. Only lasted a generation unfortunately.

keyez,

BRB I have a blu ray player from 2017 I’m disconnecting from the internet

Arbiter,

Even physical these days means nothing, just look at The Crew.

stardust,

Thankfully modders have made good progress of coming closer to emulating servers for it so people can play it offline.

Bad part is Ubisoft actually removed The Crew from some people’s Ubisoft account. Steam versions were safe ironically to be able to download the game to make use of it when Crew community made fix is out.

RightHandOfIkaros,

Is it stealing though? Theft, as it is legally defined, requires depriving the original owner of the thing you are stealing. Stealing a car for example, means the owner cannot drive the car since you have it.

If you could take someone else’s car, but they still have access to their car as if it was never taken, is that really stealing?

Shapillon,

Well, there’s also the concept of intellectual property though.

_cryptagion,

There shouldn’t be.

Shapillon,

I fully agree with you on that.

Otoh our current law systems don’t.

piecat,

I think that’s called conversion. Or unjust enrichment.

mightyfoolish,

You speak of copyright infringement. Some people call it IP theft but in reality it has nothing to do with stealing in the traditional sense of the word (such as stealing a bicycle). You can’t actually steal something that’s still there after you “take it.”

IAmHeroForFun, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit

This will got to Past too unless all 9mil player files a lawsuit.

B0NK3RS, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

I’m all for these lawsuits etc but people need to wake up to the fact they don’t own anything digital, it’s been this way for years now so no excuses.

gressen,

If it says “buy”, then I should own it. Anything else is a lie and demands justice.

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

You did buy something, a digital license that comes with it’s own terms.

I agree with you by the way but it’s been 20 years and people still act surprised about this stuff.

DeathsEmbrace,

I’m going to keep this short. It takes a long time for society to “catch up” Facebook, twitter, the shitshows of algorithmic social media. It’s like watching a snail race but, that doesn’t make it right is what people are saying. When you go to the store and buy an apple they expect that apple to be theres except this is digital purchases and even in the terms it says that it can be modified by the corporation at any moment. Shit it’s been 112 years and climate change was only recognized as a real problem by the public in the last 30 years.

Aeao,

I know it’s like the people who get mad at me when they get hit with my chainsaw and it’s like “look wrong or right I’ve been out here swinging these chainsaws while wearing a blindfold for 24 years you need to get used to it”

B0NK3RS,
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with all the replies I’m getting but people are literally going round in circles with the outrage over digital licenses.

Buy physical, backup your media, download illegally or do what you need to do to show businesses that things need to change.

Lojcs,

Even if it says “licence” or whatever then I’d still not be fine with it not being permanent. The language isn’t the problem

rtxn,

We’re already past the “spreading awareness” stage. Now it’s time to do something about legally sanctioned robbery.

fartsparkles,

No no no, OP told us it’s been ages now so we’re in the “dogmatically apathetic” stage, right before “crywank”.

njm1314,

Do we need to wake up to that? Or do we need to say that’s bullshit? Which one sounds better? Maybe companies need to wake up to the fact that they shouldn’t be able to do anything they want. Why can’t we wake up to that reality?

ogeist, do games w You Pay For It, We Own It - Sony's $7.9B Lawsuit
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