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Yermaw, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Gonna go ahead and show my ignorance here, but why is this such a bad thing?

antonim,

Public companies have to account for the shareholdres’ expectation of, well, making money (and more money, and more money, and growing the numbers as much as possible). Shareholders have some degree influence on how the company works, depending on how many shares they own, e.g. they can vote for the CEO. This usually leads to the company to introducing more aggressive ways of making money off the users/customers, enshittification, etc., as it has to satisfy the shareholders and not so much the original customers.

endeavor,

Cause things that make most money for shareholders make the worst experience for the end user.

Sina,

Shareholders want quick profits & they don’t care if the service shuts down in 10 years, or becomes largely unusable in 3-5.

Megaman_EXE, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

That sucks

SplashJackson, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Lol IRC knockoff

PixelProf, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Any good options recommended for self-hosting something similarly functional that doesn’t take too much effort to get up, audit, maintain? Discovery isn’t really important for me, so federated isn’t really necessary, but a cool extra. I’d love to host something or contribute to hosting for my gaming groups, my class or multiple classes at my school, or otherwise. Voice, chat, screen share, camera, would all be great if possible, but range of options would be good. I’m still using Mumble for gaming…

Haven’t tinkered much with Matrix nor do I know much about Revolt, but I’m curious before I look into it deeper if anyone in the community has experience hosting any communication platforms for small, invitational groups.

Natanox,
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Nothing comes close to the feature set offered by Discord, Matrix’ bad priorities unfortunately made sure of this. There currently is a project to fix their shit even if it means to break some bad decisions, Tuwunel, however it’s neither ready nor is it clear where it will end up. The previous project it forked, Conduwuit, got bullied into giving up.

You’ll probably be best off with a classic 2-way approach for now. Stick with Mumble for Voice and get something nice for Chat and Organizing like Mattermost or Revolt (or even IRC if you’re a purist). With some luck Discord’s strong enshittification will give projects like Tuwunel the necessary push it needs to force Matrix to finally care for more than just the needs of governments and their perfectionism that gets them nowhere for years now. That or we’ll see some kind of soft-fork with even more bad blood.

ized,

Matrix is probably be the best bet atm, although I’m hoping for Spacebar to get more mature as they are aiming for feature parity and compatibility with discord. This way you can host your server with Spacebar, use their client and still be friends with discord users/be in discord servers that haven’t switched yet. Only thing impossible with Spacebar is discord users joining your self hosted server, but once they reach feature maturity (esp in regards to voicechat and videochat) it’ll make switching super seamless.

SweetCitrusBuzz, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

[sarcasm] Who could have ever seen it coming? [/sarcasm]

Honestly, the writing was on the wall for a long time, it had no clear business model and was a mess. It was always going to go this way and I tried pointing out that it was a bad platform but nobody either cared or believed me. Whelp, looks like I was a Cassandra yet again.

Hope Open Source people can make something to fill the gap, there really is nothing else (yet). Matrix really doesn’t have the features and that which it does have is often bad UX and doesn’t work everywhere. Not seen anything else which will fill the gap and I’ve been looking but I guess nobody thought discord would go down, go this way, or just don’t really know how to make something that would fill the gap, or didn’t want to.

smokingpistol, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Better buy some stock. I kick myself for not buying Reddit stock before it went public

whodatdair, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

This whole “spend a ton of money to get your foothold, take over a market, then enshittify to bilk the users” shtik is getting very very old.

Rose,

That’s Jason Citron for you.

HobbitFoot,

That’s tech companies for you.

Why else would they make all this for free?

ized,

Might finally open the doors for viable alternatives. If Spacebar (former fosscord) garners tractions for example due to mismanagement by discord they might make the transition over from discord to an open source, decentralized alternative for the everyday discord user viable. Although I haven’t tried Matrix in a while… But convincing users to switch to a completely separate service is way more difficult.

Maeve, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

I was recently asked to chat on discord. Add this to a host of other reasons I declined.

KingThrillgore, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

Womp womp

Glide, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

God fucking dammit.

BoulevardBlvd, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

How the fuck are blizzard execs still getting fucking jobs?!?!! Jesus Christ people, could you find a worse person to run the company?

LucidNightmare,

Probably the point, honestly. If they lose money from it, at least they made it worse for the cattle who stuck with it!

dangling_cat,

Because he “has experience managing a public company” and in his portfolio only focuses on cherry-picked KPIs and no mention of any negatives at all.

I hate that our society encourages failing up and instead of punishment because of poor management skills and decisions, they do mass layoffs and give themselves fat bonuses because of “cost savings”.

Frankly, if a company fails, they will ruin other companies; it’s never their fault because of “complicated reasons”.

Telorand, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Two alternatives:

  • Revolt. Has the Discord style down, made in Europe.
  • Matrix. Focused more on privacy.

Both have self-host options.

arsCynic, (edited )

Never heard of Revolt before, nice.

As a community I’d use Revolt if my game/mod/whatever is built upon extensive bot functionality, and Matrix if not.

TheRtRevKaiser,
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I can’t tell for sure, but it doesn’t look like Revolt has voice chat yet? Which was what attracted my friend group to Discord initially.

Telorand,

I’m not sure, either. I haven’t used it yet, though that might come sooner than later after this announcement.

SweetCitrusBuzz,
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Yeah, sadly most open source alternatives to discord either cannot do voice/video chat or cannot do it as well or seamlessly as discord did, partially because federated voice/video chat is not really a solved issue and partially because of money. Though even most of the centralised ones don’t really have voice/video chat that works well except for a few like Signal because they have the resources.

Another problem is it’s based on p2p a lot of the time, whereas I think things like discord partially use their servers to facilitate it, I’ll check on this though.

msage,

Jitsi

SweetCitrusBuzz,
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Jitsi doesn’t have e2ee except in a few situations and they don’t seem interested in bringing e2ee to all platforms, or they can’t. It also is somewhat buggy with disconnects etc. Also it’s meant for one off calls or meetings compared to discord, but yeah, it’s okay for some situations.

Natanox,
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Matrix could’ve implemented it with classic TURNS for a while now so the feature at least is there for those needing it, but they dug their own hole instead and focused so hard on their idea of a protocol they created software that hardly can do anything, and what is should be able to do it does really badly. Also for some reasons it was more important to throw away he concepts of “Communities” and build… “Places”. Now Element is a convoluted mess that <Error Decrypting Second Part of this Message>

SweetCitrusBuzz, (edited )
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, the people behind it always seemed to be more interested in getting corporate funding and thus gave corporations more what they wanted/needed instead of typical users and mods. This is part of the reason why I’m no longer interested in matrix main and more hard forks of it.

Inktvip,

Discord routes over their own servers and uses a private I3Dnet backbone to spread the signals across the world. The latter is one of the reasons why discord video is very good.

If discord did any p2p there would be stories all over of people getting ddos-ed after joining a voice call / screenshare.

In general, discords tech is pretty solid overall. The platform itself is just getting shittier.

SweetCitrusBuzz,
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Thanks for the info!

Yeah, sadly.

Dark_Arc,
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Three, before there was Discord there was TeamSpeak and they’re still fighting

Mesophar,

Ventrilo would like a word as well

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Have they had any recent developments?

TeamSpeak has been working on a new TeamSpeak 6 client and server that allows users to set up effectively their own personal federation of gaming servers with text, voice, and video chat rooms in a modern cross platform client that supports Windows, Mac, Linux and mobile operating systems.

They’ve also built up their own infrastructure so less technical folks can directly rent servers from them rather than needing to buy through a third party.

Die4Ever, (edited )
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I’ve got 2 gaming Discords I want to bridge with Matrix (and maybe Revolt too?) can you suggest an instance? one is for Deus Ex Randomizer, and the other is for The 7th Guest fan club

Note that when you join a Space, you are not automatically joining all the rooms inside it.

this is going to be a bit painful for people who are used to Discord

you can search public rooms but not public Spaces? how do you find Spaces? they should’ve copied the good parts about Discord lol (EDIT: I found the way to search public Spaces, I guess it can’t search across instances though which is a shame, it probably wouldn’t require much disk space to index the name and description of every Matrix Space)

I don’t even see rooms linking back to their Space?

tchncs.de has a lot of public spaces, I created my account using my Google but it just assumed my username :(

moonleay,
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Small note on Revolt: You can’t chat with other people which are on other servers. Revolt does not federate and is not encrypted!

JaymesRS, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Everyone loves Activision and what they’ve done for gaming. There no way this could go wrong.

SaltSong, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO
@SaltSong@startrek.website avatar

Moving towards becoming a shit company, you mean.

Strayce, do gaming w Discord confirms it's moving toward 'becoming a public company' as it hires a former Activision executive as its new CEO

Well it was nice for a while there.

msage,

No it wasn’t

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