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MarcomachtKuchen, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 has already consumed 500 hours of my life, and I'm just getting started

Really good read. Fully captures my amazement for the game.

Mr_Blott, do games w Baldur's Gate 3 has already consumed 500 hours of my life, and I'm just getting started

I’m not into fantasy/RPG but once I started Skyrim I spent hundreds of hours on it.

Was excited when I heard the hype for BG3 but I just… can’t get into it. It’s just too clunky and old fashioned

What am I missing?

teft,
@teft@startrek.website avatar

What parts are you having trouble with? The game has a serious learning curve but once you’ve got a full campaign under your belt it gets way easier. Try doing a run as a paladin or sorcerer (melee or caster) on explorer mode. Those two classes will be good for combat and dialog making your run easier. Also research how to create a proper character. The earliest levels are the hardest to get through since you’re super weak at those levels.

Durandal,
@Durandal@lemmy.today avatar

Skyrim is a first person action adventure game with RPG elements. Baldurs gate is a much more traditional fantasy RPG which I a focused on tactics and D&D core rules and character stories where action stakes a back seat. So it sounds more like you enjoy the action and immersion of Skyrim than the “RPG” side of it.

BG3 is really a love letter to the people that liked the original games and wanted more depth to the systems to try to capture the tabletop experience a little more. Since you described it as “clunky” I’m guessing that the slower tactical aspect is what you’re bouncing off of.

MarcomachtKuchen,

It honestly sounds like its just Not your thing. BG3 is about as modern as a game of this Genre can be. Dont force yourself through something you dont enjoy.

DonnieDarkmode,

There’s a decent chance you might not be missing anything, it’s just not for you. Minecraft and Terraria are beloved titles that people put thousands of hours into, but I never got into them myself.

A turn-based CRPG is a very old-fashioned thing (the C stands for Computer), and it’s a pretty faithful adaption of a TT (tabletop, so pen-and-paper) RPG, which is even older (though the current ruleset for DnD is pretty new). I can definitely understand how Skyrim appeals to you but something like BG3 doesn’t; they’re fundamentally different games, and Skyrim is much faster-paced

Anticorp,

Are you playing with a mouse on a PC? Try it with a controller, it completely changes the game. The PS5 movement system is vastly superior to the PC movement with a mouse.

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Wait, really?

I have never played a Baldurs game, but I’m planning to play this one when I eventually get a PS5… And I thought it would suck with conventional controllers.

Anticorp,

I have it on both PC and PS5 and I greatly prefer it on PS5. My computer loads things faster, and it looks better, but the PS5 version is much more immersive and considerably easier to move around. Inventory management is a lot better on PC though.

ABCDE,

Can just use a controller on the computer, right?

Anticorp,

AFAIK you can. I haven’t tried since I don’t have a controller for my computer.

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

The PS5 controller doesn’t work there?

Anticorp,

Does it? I haven’t tried. When I tried to use a PS4 Pro controller in the past it messed it up and I had to reset it to use it with the console again. Can you use PS5 controllers with a Linux PC?

ABCDE,

Not sure, I know that you can in Windows.

Blisterexe, (edited )

Your controller should work through steam input (or natively if you use Linux)

Anticorp,

I can use a PS5 controller on Linux? Will it affect the PS5 sync when I go to use it there again?

Blisterexe,

I don’t own a ps5, so I’m not 100% sure on the ps5 sync, but there shouldn’t be any issue for that as Sony put out a firmware update to make it work well with pc at one point. But for me with my ps5 controller, it works and pairs flawlessly, and the touchpad on the controller works as a mouse on the desktop.

Anticorp,

Very cool. Thanks for sharing.

Blisterexe,

No problem! Message me if you need any help, if you can’t to that on Lemmy just mention me in a post or something idk

bionicjoey,

Yeah it plays well with the Steam Deck

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Inventory management is a lot better on PC though.

Isn’t this always the case?

God I hated inventory management on The Witcher 3 for PS4.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Running around the world is better with a controller, but actually interacting with things is easier with a mouse. You can click the left stick to use a cursor for precise targeting.

HeyJoe,

For me it’s just being old… I love what I played but only had 1 opportunity to sit down and play it. I realized I love and hate the fact that there is sooooo much to do and think about. For me, my time is limited to an hour tops here and there, so sadly, this type of game just frustrates me because I am always looking at a clock, and I hate that. Wish I was a kid again, so I can actually enjoy all the great games coming out in recent years.

ABCDE,

Starfield feels the same, I go back to it for an hour or two and I forget what I’m supposed to be doing. It’s fiddly and I don’t know where some of the menus are.

bionicjoey,

It’s a different genre of game. Skyrim is an open world rpg. BG3 is a CRPG, like Dragon Age, Pillars of Eternity, Mass Effect, etc.

peopleproblems,

Ahhhhh. Dragon Age Origins. I knew there was a game that BG3 was scratching the itch from.

bionicjoey,

It follows the DAO formula very closely. Though it also improves on it in some ways. And IMO there is at least one thing that DAO does better, which is that the main player character gets some actual character development.

Son_of_dad,

For me it’s the turn based combat that turned me off. I’m so done with turn based.

VelvetStorm,

I’m having trouble getting into it, too, but I still enjoy it.

Fraylor,

Possibly the WASD mod. Makes the game feel a lot better to play. You can buff movement speed in the overworld too. No more “click and wait”.

WeLoveCastingSpellz, (edited )

Skyrim realy isn’t much of a RPG, BG3 is. You might wanna look into some first person dungeon crawlers instead

thingsiplay, do gaming w Surprise! Cyberpunk 2077 is getting a 2.1 update in December with 'new and hotly anticipated gameplay elements'
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

I recently finished the game for the first time and was thinking about to get Phantom Liberty extension too. Now I have to wait a bit longer. BTW in the article this part:

To ensure everyone knows it's not kidding, it even threw in a little fire emoji.

The fire emoji. It makes everything believable. xD

RickRussell_CA, do gaming w Surprise! Cyberpunk 2077 is getting a 2.1 update in December with 'new and hotly anticipated gameplay elements'
@RickRussell_CA@kbin.social avatar

patientgamers checking in

thingsiplay,
@thingsiplay@kbin.social avatar

I feel betrayed, as I purchased and played through the game with 2.0 update.

BruceTwarzen, do games w You can buy this forgotten '90s shooter from its original website, which is a perfectly preserved time capsule of PC gaming's golden age

Who the fuck descided that this was the golden age of gaming?

torvusbogpod,

Yes I too look nostalgically look back on my games having nothing but beep audio because I didn’t have one of three sound cards my chosen game decided to support

lolcatnip,

Ok but that’s kind of on you for not noticing that everything supported Soundblaster.

ivanafterall,

That was the audio equivalent of RTX ON.

agent_flounder, do games w You can buy this forgotten '90s shooter from its original website, which is a perfectly preserved time capsule of PC gaming's golden age
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Castle WTF

RubberElectrons, do games w You can buy this forgotten '90s shooter from its original website, which is a perfectly preserved time capsule of PC gaming's golden age
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Crazy that it only needs 3.5mb of disk space.

lolcatnip,

Back then Amiga computers were at their peak, it wasn’t uncommon for a whole game to be on a single 1.44 MB floppy. It was also pretty common that booting from the disk was the only way to launch the game.

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

I guess it’s good that devs don’t need to optimize as much as they had to, but I also feel like we’ve collectively allowed the laziness to go too far, with 110gb updates and stuff.

I personally would prefer spending my time building new stuff, but I think if I had to, optimizing can also be fun and interesting in its own way.

makingStuffForFun, do games w You can buy this forgotten '90s shooter from its original website, which is a perfectly preserved time capsule of PC gaming's golden age
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar
kakes,

The “journalist” didn’t even try the demo before writing this. Thanks for the direct link, no point going through the article.

sigmaklimgrindset,

That’s PCGamer for ya

Katana314, do gaming w 'Today is the end of Steam': Argentina and Turkey floored by new Steam price hikes as high as 2900%

Blame the gray resellers. If the world courts had found those sites illegal, then devs could likely still set regional prices without having 90% of them getting resold to the outside world.

Arthur_Leywin, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit

They might as well sue Microsoft

nexussapphire, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit

Valve is trying to escape Microsoft’s monopolistic practices with Linux while out performing their competition in a fair market. I like competition but I don’t get what advantage steam has that their competition doesn’t. Even with the steam deck they’re using standardized hardware and open source software to make a competitive product leaving room for competition to create their own versions.

Rose,

One can appreciate Valve’s contributions to Linux gaming without idealizing them. The likely reason they went for Linux is that they would have to pay Microsoft to use Windows.

GaMEChld,

This is true that it is a likely reason. It is also possible that Gabe Newell runs his company in a very deliberate way because he thinks it’s a net benefit to both his company and gaming in general. From what I have heard, which of course may be a flawed understanding of the man, it seems like he has certain principles. I guess the question is whether or not a person believes intent matters or only the end result.

steelrat,
@steelrat@lemmy.world avatar

Their VR is all open as well for the good of the universe. Perhaps have a little deeper look.

nexussapphire,

I don’t idealize them, I use the other storefronts (gog epic) potentially more because they often don’t sell games with any form of drm. I just don’t get it because as far as my experience goes they’re all about the same minus more jank on the other two.

I’ve actually spent the most time with Rockstar games launcher thanks to GTA V and RDR2 and that one is a real piece of work tbh.

Spedwell, (edited )

Steam has a large userbase, which offers a lot of consumer inertia to prefer games on Steam. They also have a policy where game pricing on other platforms cannot undercut Steam.

The main complaint is that this pricing policy coupled with the consumer inertia makes it difficult for other gaming marketplaces to enter the market. You cannot undercut steam unless a publisher wants to not put their game on Steam at all (which would be suicide for anything but the largest titles), so you have to sell at Steam’s price point. Few platforms could match Steams’ established workshop, multiplayer, streaming, and social services; all of which benefit from costs at scale and the established user content.

Imagine trying to convince a user: “Buy your game here instead. It will cost the same as on Steam. No, you won’t have access to the existing Workshop. No, you won’t have in-platform multiplayer with your Steam friends.” Even if you had feature parity, people would prefer Steam since that’s where their existing games and friends are.

Spedwell,

Note that the main argument Wolfire is making is that game marketplaces (buy/download the game) and game platforms (online features, mod distribution, social pages) need to be decoupled. By integrating the two, Steam is vertically integrating, amortizing the cost, and then forcing every other marketplace to bear the cost of a platform in their pricing.

If you bought a game and paid for platform services separately, then competition can better exist for both of those roles. Which is good for consumers.

BURN,

I’m going to be real, the seperatization might be good technically from a consumer standpoint, but mostly will just prove to make consumers lives harder for no reason. One of the major benefits of Steam is that it handles everything, and isn’t something I, or anyone else, would be happy to give up.

nexussapphire,

I typically try to buy games from gog if available and on epic if not and steam if it’s on sale. The only harm I see is how janky the other storefronts are and how frequently they break or refuse to load and that’s not steams fault. I don’t play a lot of online games but epic and gog are my primary platforms to play on.

I’m not defending steam but I also don’t see how the advantage a platform like steam has is a direct result of any anti consumer practices. Honestly I prefer a storefront over rootkits and heavy handed drm any day not to mention downloading gamepatches directly from the publishers website.

Cybersteel,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.world avatar

Years of experience. It’s like wow. When your audienfe is so entrenched other MMOs can’t compete

Ibex0, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit

GabeN?

ArugulaZ, do gaming w Embracer exec says laying off hundreds of people was an 'agonising process,' but that restructuring is 'how we win'
@ArugulaZ@kbin.social avatar

He probably agonized more about what he'd eat for lunch that day.

Crack0n7uesday, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit

Is this why they were giving away all free steam keys on 4chan yesterday? I thought it was just Black Friday deals, shoulda known those anons don’t do anything for the sake of being nice.

Zozano, do games w Court rules Gabe Newell must appear in person to testify in Steam anti-trust lawsuit
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

Wow. I used to follow the development of Overgrowth, and now they’re suing Steam? What dickheads…

Spedwell,

Wolfire originally operated Humble Bundle, and they have a very legitimate case. Steam uses anticompetitive pricing policies that makes it difficult for other marketplaces to compete.

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

If anticompetitive means “it’s your choice to enter into an agreement in which we host your game for 30%, and distribute it on our platform, with unlimited patch updates, and unlimited user downloads, and a fuckton of features like community forums, guides, groups etc., also if your game is good we will promote it free of charge”

Then I suppose companies like Epic who choose to run at a loss, as opposed to providing a good service, have no chance, and Steam is anticompetitive.

The counter narrative exists though, Steam is just a good service, and if you want to compete with them, you need to provide a good service, like GOG.

Spedwell,

The Platform Most Favored Nation policy employed by Steam is the one at issue in this case. And yes, it is anticompetitive. It abuses userbase size to prevent alternative marketplaces from providing fewer services for smaller cuts

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

Again, it just sounds like Valve is offering a good service and other companies don’t want to compete. If it’s Valves fault for providing a good service and lots of users choose to use their platform instead of others, I fail to see what they could do to rectify that.

Spedwell,

Valve offers a great service, and I enjoy it a lot. But it’s very difficult for a competitor to enter the market because they won’t be able to match Steam’s services immediately. Typically in a market the approach is then to undercut Steam, but that is exactly what this policy is designed to make impractical by forcing publishers to overprice, on penalty of losing Steams’ userbase.

I mean I don’t know what else to say. It is anti-competitive. It doesn’t take too much to see why. There are many good articles and legal briefs on the matter. It hurts you and me, the consumer, and it hurts publishers. It enriches Valve, benevolent though they may appear. You shouldn’t like this type of strong-arming the market when Amazon does it, and you shouldn’t roll over and take it from Valve either.

Doesn’t even matter, the court is going to sort it out for us. But I hate to see the reputational hit Wolfire is taking here. I like their studio, I believe their developers are operating in genuine good faith, and I think they are doing consumers a favor.

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

I still don’t see what you’re seeing.

Just to play devils advocate, what do you think Valve should do differently?

After learning more about it, I’m understanding the problem is that Wolfire (and every other developer/publisher) has a contract with Valve, in which they aren’t allowed to sell their game on another PC market for a cheaper price than Steam.

Though, I wouldn’t describe that as anticompetitive, rather, neutrally-competitive. Valve is offering a level playing field, they can take it or leave it. This is a fairly standard practice among businesses (though I understand this does not make it right).

If valve wanted to be anticompetitive they would dictate that games published on Steam are exclusive to Steam on PC.

Spedwell,

What Wolfire wants to happen is for game marketplaces and game services platforms to be decoupled. Right now Valve has vertically integrated the two. You buy the game, and they offer peer multiplayer, social, workshop, etc.

If those services were charged separately, so that the costs of those services was not forced into the pricing of other marketplaces that don’t offer those services, you open the market to more competition.

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

So Wolfire’s idea of being anticompetitive is to restrict how many features a platform may offer?

Honestly, it just sounds like Wolfire has an axe to grind. Steam doesn’t price in the features it offers, their 30% cut existed a long time before most of this stuff was added.

Something like this will never be implemented. Consider the outcome: Steam decouples the marketplace from the extra services, so they create a separate application and offer it as a free service, and creates a link between the two services. There are a hundred ways around this, and all of them inconvenience the consumer.

Spedwell,

I’m at my wits end trying to explain this. I guess I can just recommend reading the legal briefs that summarize the matter, or articles that dig deeper than this one.

Maybe I’ll think about it later and make a more complete write up with concrete examples. I really hate to see the confusion here. Wolfire is doing us a favor, we should not be handing Valve the keys to the market just because they act like Mr. Benevolent.

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

Sorry, as aforementioned, I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing.

spark947,

That us all fine. David is alleging that Valve is trying to restrict other platforms wolfire can sell their cases on. Valve needs to compete, not threaten to stop distributing a game if they don’t like how it is selling elsewhere.

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

I’ve never heard of Valve trying to prevent a developer from distributing their game on other PC store platforms, it’s quite an assertion.

spark947,

Yeah, it will be interesting to see how the case goes.

MrSqueezles,

I can’t believe that a company that puts out a device running Linux that gives you access to the OS in a few clicks and provides guides for how to install competing distribution platforms is more anticompetitive than Sony, Apple, Nintendo, Microsoft, Google. Valve and Steam aren’t perfect. It’s difficult to accept that having a store and charging for it is worse than, for example, Sony buying studios and paying millions of dollars for some games to be exclusive on their platform.

woelkchen,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

You know that court cases are not competitions about who’s the most illegal, right?

Zozano,
@Zozano@aussie.zone avatar

They should be.

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

I love this new narrative that undercutting the competition’s pricing is anti-competitive and not just winning at the competition because the other teams don’t want to improve.

Mango,

It’s not Steam’s price to control. It’s the developers’.

Kolanaki,
!deleted6508 avatar

Not talking about the game prices on the store, which are already set by the developers.

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