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sag, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

8th is !balatro and 9th is !stardewvalley. Hell Yeah

HawlSera, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

So you admit that emulation is the best way to preserve old forms of interactive media?

RizzRustbolt, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

It would be pretty cool if they were using Higan.

thingsiplay, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

No Overwatch in the entire list? Final Fantasy 14 the only FF in the list? No Dota 2 or Leage of Legends? No Batman game?

I know its just opinions and fun, but I’m just very surprised, not angry or anything like that.

Vodulas, (edited )

The Overwatch 2 update was pretty widely hated, so that might be clouding things. I supposed they did put Destiny 2 on there though. It is for sure weird to not see FFVII or an Arkham game. Or hell, Dishonored.

Edit: Whoops missed Dishonored 2.

Skelemental,

@thingsiplay @DdCno1 this list is actually wild. Random flash in the pan games high up but also a bunch of evergreen classics and old games that were revolutionary but largely unplayed today while also missing some of the most popular games on PC. Not sure what this list is supposed to be except maybe engagement bait.

Vodulas,

All lists like this are incredibly subjective and by definition about engagement. I wouldn’t call it bait, but it was definitely created for engagement. That is not necessarily a bad thing since it can generate some fun discussions.

50MYT,

No Factorio either.

This article may as well have been written by AI.

Vodulas,

I’m not AI and I really dislike Factorio. I would say it is a bit of a niche game, but Rimworld also seems niche. Probably just not to anyone at PC Gamer’s taste.

TehPers,

Factorio is not for everyone, but it’s also one of the all stars of its genre. With the upcoming expansion in a couple weeks, it’ll probably eat another few hundred of my free hours over the next few months, and I know I’m not alone on this one.

Vodulas,

Oh, totally. But the folks making the list might not even have thought of it if none of them play it.

50MYT,

You wrote the article?

Vodulas,

No, just saying it would not have made my top 100 list. Seemed like a funny thing to say it is an AI list because of not having Factorio

Ludz,

True, OK everyone has its own preferences but indeed ff7 missing looks surprising, didn’t see lot of city builders (not mentioning wolfenstein, fable, populous, Dk…)

zod000,

Regarding the FF games, I think it’s actually fine considering some of the more notable omissions. Most FF games didn’t get released anywhere near when they were relevant.

thingsiplay,

Sure, but how do you explain then Persona 5 Royal then on place 5 then? Final Fantasy 7 Remake got higher ratings, I think sold more and was surely more popular on PC, right? Red Dead Redemption 2 was also released on PC when it anywhere near its initial relevance. Metal Gear Solid 3 or Mass Effect Legendary Edition is even worse, because those games are much much older.

Also Portal behind Slay the Spire? Team Fortress 2 34 places behind Hunt: Showdown 1896? So strange! These Valve games were revolutionary and defined their genre with huge number of players and fanbase.

My point is just, that the given argumentation here doesn’t hold up to me. But that is what you get if you ask people for their opinion. It’s just that and it will always surprise you.

zod000,

The list is honestly bizarre and the rank placements are all over the place. Most of your later examples of that I completely agree with. I just think that the mainline FF games not being on the top 100 list of PC games is fairly understandable, and I say that as a huge fan of the series. Ironically, FF14 is quite literally the only game in the series that I haven’t played.

Rose, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

CS2 being ranked higher than Siege and Fortnite is really misguided. It’s been almost the same game since before the internet. Siege was a welcome improvement on the same formula. Fortnite continues to innovate with new games and new modes, all appealing to a wide range of people and skill groups. Even its main mode sees drastic changes with each season. It keeps things fresh, which is vital for a live service game like those three.

dwindling7373,

This but ironically.

Schmuppes, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

Missing No One Lives Forever (2). Those games were just fantastic.

julianh, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

If the entire list isn’t outer wilds its bs.

frank,

It’s somehow not on the list? That’s actually unbelievable

Vodulas,

Good, because it is number 90

frank,

I’m an idiot, no clue how I missed that

Vodulas,

Nah, it is a long list. I missed Dishonored 2 on there.

Mac, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

I don’t usually give much thought to these lists but Minecraft deserves it’s place, undoubtedly.

Zozano, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games
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No Terraria :(

SmoochyPit, do gaming w PC Gamer: The top 100 PC games

This list was really hard for my phone to view. It’s an older phone, so that’s probably why, but it kept freezing and reloading.

Stovetop, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

ITT: people think emulators are only the ones you can download

dustyData,

In this comment: Someone who is not familiar with the history of Nintendo selling pirated versions of their own games and ripping off pirate emulators then passing them as their own.

TeoTwawki,
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or the history of nintendo falsely claiming that emulation itself was an illegal practice when trying to bully and scare people into submission…

JackbyDev,

Did the terms of the emulators they ripped off allow them to? Not saying it’s morally okay.

Blackmist, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

I would not be at all surprised if the Switch NES and SNES emulators are running an open source emulator that they’ve tried to shut down.

SomethingBurger,

I would. They would have been found out already if it were the case, and they already proved they can develop their own emulators.

drasglaf,
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They’ve been caught using ROMs downloaded from some ROMs download website, so it wouldn’t be that surprising.

SomethingBurger,

No they have not. If they dumped their own cartridge or had the ROM somewhere in their archives, it would be identical to one downloaded from the Internet. The whole controversy happened because someone saw the iNES headers in whatever release of Super Mario Bros was new at the time. Those headers are added by all NES cartridge dumpers, and the creator of this format developed the NES emulator used by Nintendo in Animal Crossing for the GameCube.

dustyData,

Rom pirates usually trim and sign their releases, specially if they have to break or decode any encryption. These pirate’s signatures have been found in official Nintendo releases. Some of their own emulators have also been found to run piracy emulation software. They are pretty much hypocrites.

doctortran,

Moreover, they’re going to want an emulator that can be managed alongside the rest of the museum software.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please,

Throwback to the NES Classic ROM having a ripper/uploader’s signature in the game code. Because Nintendo didn’t ever bother archiving their own games, and just downloaded ROMs from the same sites they were trying to shut down.

wizardbeard, do pcgaming w Windows 10 only has a year of support: 12 months left to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux

There will be ways to force your Windows 10 machine to pull down the continued updates meant for government and extended support contracts, just like there was for Windows 7.

Not a good or particularly safe way to keep your PC, and even the extended updates will stop eventually, but worth knowing in case anyone is afraid of making the full switch to Linux.

Nexy, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing
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Anyway, what’s the point of a museum of a console maker without showing original hardware?

doctortran,

That’s like saying what’s the point of the air and space museum if they’re not actually flying the planes.

They’re not going to use the original hardware and put wear on them. That’s a standard part of archiving.

DarkMetatron,

No it is more like saying “What is the point of going to an museum of art when all the paintings and statues are only photocopies and 3D printed replicas”

SkunkWorkz,

They have original hardware on display.

PunchingWood, do games w The official Nintendo Museum appears to be emulating SNES games on a Windows PC, which is slightly embarrassing

I was joking when in a previous post about the museum I said it better not run on any emulators…

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f4076a41-de37-40c9-93e6-952c43fe307e.gif

So… Why aren’t they selling said emulators and roms? I ain’t gonna travel half the world to play one in an overpriced museum.

wizardbeard,

Um… they are, and have been for almost 20 years, since the Wii. Or the N64 depending on how you look at it.

What did you think Virtual Console was? How about the NES and SNES mini? What about the “Nintendo Game Pass” or whatever they’re calling it?

Animal Crossing’s original Japan release had NES games in it, and so did the GC rerelease/psuedosequel we got internationally too.


Even better: During the Wii era, the Wiis at the Nintendo Store in New York City ran official Nintendo made software to load games off a connected hard drive, so you could play multiple of their new releases without workers having to switch discs.


It has always been about attempts to prevent piracy and keep control over how people access their games for Nintendo, and they are roughly 10 years behind the curve on modern tech trends.

Either stop supporting them or get used to it.

PunchingWood, (edited )

The problem is that they had stuff like Virtual Console and then decide to pull the plug. Then rebrand as some other feature in an online service, which is yet another service that’s gonna be a wait and see on whether or when they’ll pull the plug again. Forcing people to pay for old stuff over and over again.

They should sell this kind off stuff independently from their consoles/handhelds, preferably something that runs on a PC or any platform.

The NES and SNES mini were great examples of how it could be done, except there too they decided to only make a limited amount, essentially the same as pulling the plug.

Nintendo’s truly an awful company. It’s baffling how often they get praised for their stuff, they only dangle some 15+ year old reskinned game and people forget all about it.

missingno,
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This is an excellent article that covers how and why the VC died.

People say they want it back, but most titles never sold all that well back then.

PunchingWood,

I think, like that post mentions as well, that prices were the biggest issue. The points system being a garbage system in the first place, easily a system I would instantly be turned off from, I absolutely hate buying currencies to buy something, instead of just outright seeing the actual prices in the store. But if you’d want to buy a small collection for a couple of decades old games it would add up quickly.

The problem with Nintendo’s always been the insane prices. I’m especially hesitant to buy anything digital or any services from Nintendo. Knowing they could decide to pull the plug any time again.

yamanii,
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Probably after people learned that nintendo had no proper account system so you would lose your purchases if your console died and needed the hassle of sending it to them for them to transfer to a new console.

missingno,
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Yeah, I stopped buying from the VC when the Wii U asked me to pay to "upgrade" my games.

ampersandrew,
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There is no way to legally buy their ROMs anymore. You can only rent them in perpetuity. When they did sell them, they didn’t forward port your purchases to their next device, which is hilariously stupid, and you know they’d take you to court for dumping those same ROMs to your PC to organize, customize, and play the way you like them. If they just sold these things DRM-free on a web site for me to put in Emulation Station, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

halcyoncmdr,
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I’d bet the emulators in use are actually publicly available ones. Not anything Nintendo made. Adding to the hypocrisy.

Mirodir,

I hate to defend Nintendo, but they used their own Emulators in the NES and SNES Mini (Kachikachi and Canoe respectively). I would be surprised if they just yoinked one from the internet here.

Voyajer,
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I mean, they’ve done it before in part.

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