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haui_lemmy, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Please make sure that they also refund you the interest on the money. Although preordering games is pretty lame imo, companies should be punished for going back on preorders, better yet have to make it work no holds barred.

caut_R, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Helldivers‘ success somehow caused a crazy knee jerk reaction among the management suits at Sony. This whole sudden „make a PSN account or fuck you“ is just bizarre. To me it seems like they’ve lost more than what they‘re hoping to gain from this. Just a mindboggling move.

Untitled4774,

Definitely. They’ve gone for the stick instead of the carrot if they’re looking to juice PSN numbers, and gamers are a notoriously outspoken bunch.

How they thought this would just fly without an uproar after such a great launch is way beyond me.

Katana314,

I think the issue is, asking people to set up PSN was the plan all along - and they somewhat ineptly realized months after their hit game’s release that caused a problem for Steam users not in PSN countries.

Xbox and EA all require accounts for their games too, but they’ve done that forever, and are a bit more territory-neutral.

TheControlled, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Sony doesn’t give a shit because non-PSN countries account for fuck all of their sales. Just pirate it and move on. Stop crying like it’s your Holy duty to give megacorps your money.

mp3, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Non-PSN country users be like Go-Go Gadget FitGirl

FluffyPotato, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Is Sony saying piracy is justified by making it not possible to buy this game? I guess if I have to.

autonomoususer, (edited )

How many are pirating it in solidarity? I’d rather reject their anti-libre software entirely, make them irrelevant.

Son_of_dad,

Well I’m a PlayStation user, are you saying it’s justifiable for me to now pirate Starfield, Halo and every Xbox and steam exclusive game?

Decoy321,

I’m okay with that.

FluffyPotato,

If your only option to play a game is moving to a different country then I’d say it’s the most justifiable. If you only have a PlayStation piracy won’t really help you play PC or XBox games though so I don’t see how that would help.

i2ndshenanigans,

You can buy Starfield on Steam does it require an Xbox account to play if you buy it in steam? I think most are saying if you can buy it in steam but still need a psn account to play it then pirate it. I have both Xbox and PlayStation but I’m with the masses on this if you offer it on a platform then you shouldn’t require an account from a different platform to be able to play the game.

otp,

Well I’m a PlayStation user, are you saying it’s justifiable for me to now pirate Starfield, Halo and every Xbox and steam exclusive game?

How, exactly, will you pirate those games to play them on your PlayStation?

Hadriscus,

They’re not available in your country ? then yes

lud,

What’s up with Lemmy and Reddit users having to justify when they pirate stuff? Most of the time I simply don’t give a shit. I do keep in mind that it’s a “wrong” thing to do though. I don’t go around thinking I’m superior and that I’m fighting the evil corporations when I don’t. Some Lemmy/Reddit users seriously seem to think that.

FluffyPotato,

I’m sorry you misunderstood what I said. I was saying that Sony is encouraging piracy by making it impossible to play their games legaly in some regions, including mine.

Personally I don’t think piracy is wrong with the exception of indie devs. If you think you are fighting corporations by pirating then yea, that’s dumb but I haven’t heard that stance yet.

lud,

I absolutely agree that this will lead to more piracy, and I might pirate it myself for this reason.

Warning: the rest of the comment is just a rambling rant and nothing is directed at you specifically.

But I think it’s a terrible justification. If you want to read the worst takes on piracy go to r/piracy or the Lemmy equivalent on the db0 instance. Most users on there really think that they are in some way entitled to a game and they genuinely try and justify their piracy is a million different ways. Usually the argument is basically “company did bad thing so give me your game for free”

It’s like they would like to have some moral high ground, which I believe doesn’t exist.

I think piracy is wrong because actual people worked on the games and they need to earn a living and a fuck ton of money and resources was spent on making the games. I don’t agree that piracy is the same as stealing but somewhere along those lines. I don’t need to publicly justify piracy, I just do it when I feel like it’s appropriate considering stuff like money and wants For example I have automatic downloads of movies and TV shows and multiple terabytes of pirated movies and shows.

The only time where I could agree that piracy might be completely justified and not bad in the slightest is the piracy of stuff like knowledge like science papers that were published in a journal that demands fuck tons of money and give backs nothing to the author(s)

autonomoususer, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Anti-libre software bans us from removing malicious source code. It fails to include an AGPL license file. They can never deflect this, so keep saying it.

null,

What do you mean “they can never deflect this”?

autonomoususer,

Defending against many issues separately (DRM, P2W, loot boxes, etc) surrenders large space for them to spread a wide range of disinformation, which takes forever to debunk. One liners like above are efficient.

null,

Debunk why? Efficient at what?

elephantium,
@elephantium@lemmy.world avatar

Efficient at confusing people, perhaps. Personally, I have no idea what you’re on about.

Shayeta, do games w Steam is now refunding Ghost of Tsushima for people in affected countries.

Ha! I remember the devs tweeting during the Helldivers 2 fiasco barely a week ago that they WOULDN’T require a PSN account for PC. What a bunch of shameless liars.

Aielman15,
@Aielman15@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not the devs’ fault, it’s Sony.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were told one thing three days ago, and another one now.

DacoTaco,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

The developers were told 6 months before release that it needed to have psn required. Granted, thats waaaaaay too late to tell a dev that, but they could have delayed the game. Instead, they made it half arse and still told sony it was good to go.
Imho, both have gone wrong here

autonomoususer,

How does that fix it?

momocchi,

No one ever suggested it did?

BrowseMan,

To be fair, thy said the one player game campaign doesn’t need it, but multiplayer did.

That’s still the case and that’s why steam is giving refund: people are basically buying the game with part missing.

Stovetop, (edited )

The difference is that Helldivers 2 was already a released game; people had paid for a product which was going to be taken away from them. After all the controversy, Sony decided not to follow through with that plan and let people keep what they already had.

This is still scummy, but with Ghost of Tsushima, no one has received anything yet. People put in an order, the order was canceled, and money refunded, so in practical terms there is no loss…other than not being able to buy the game.

It may be possible to set your account to a different region and purchase anyways, but in my opinion, piracy is absolutely justified in this case when the vendor literally refuses to make a product available to you. If there’s no legal option for obtaining it, then there’s no harm in pirating it.

applepie,

Piracy is always justified.

You want my money, you need to earn it, shiti business doesn't get rewarded.

lud,

I pirate myself but if you play the game in some way how haven’t they earned your money?

If you want to boycott do it with some backbone at least. Don’t play the fucking game and don’t talk about it whatsoever.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

If they would have put up a banner in the game or a popup every log in stating …

“Sony account requirement temporarily suspended.

Please note that in a future update this will be a hard requirement and you will not be able to play Helldivers without a PSN account”.

Then this would not have been an issue. The question is if their game would have gotten as big as it did. I’ll bet ‘no’.

Also how fucking lame is the playstation network that they still cannot handle proper game launches… ffs this should be a non issue by now. The servers that handle this should be setup to spin up and down clones when needed… But nooooo that costs extra money.

Stovetop,

It would have still been an issue because the root of the problem is that there are a lot of regions where PSN is not supported and you can’t make an account even if you wanted to. The game was being sold on Steam in those regions, and so in practice it would have been like saying:

Please note that in a future update we will take away your ability to play with no recourse unless Valve is willing to refund your purchase. Take it up with them.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

Absolutely. The region not being limited is a big indicator on intent. Or it’s the dev that “forgot” and got more sales.

I’m curious how many copies are sold in regions no longer supported.

XeroxCool, do astronomy w Total Solar Eclipse - From 30 Years to 3 Minutes & 20 Seconds

I have such mixed feelings about all the time I spent with my cameras during the event. By time I realized I had no practice with the camera and eq mount for daytime use, it was cloudy the whole time at home. Totality is not something you can reasonably practice anyway. So yeah, I have a few cool totality pictures with varying detail and a couple hundred showing the partial phases… But for what? They’re not as good as many other amateurs, let alone professionals. If there was ever a time to deal with the hassle of raw photos, it was then. Part of why I gave up on most astrophotography is because the best I could possibly do is simply match it to scientific equipment. It’s cool to do it, but there’s no personalization. Instead, I look more for nightscapes or wide angle really detailed starfields. I’m still conflicted as to whether or not I experienced it properly. I got to show the pics to some people passing by after, assuming I was the go-to person for info on what they experienced, something I love about night time astronomy, but those aren’t such time-limited events.

I’ll probably revel in memories whenever I actually flip through the pictures. But, personally, I don’t think it was worth spending so much of my time getting pictures of a black hole in a black background rather than just letting my mark 1 eyeballs observe the hole in the blue-fade skies.

However, the one piece I absolutely would bring every single time again is binoculars. Maybe that’s why I feel like I didn’t see the eclipse. The view in my 10x binos was so incredibly detailed, the memory matches the stacked and tweaked pictures. I could see more than just the big laser-don’t flare on the bottom, I saw at least 3. Just unreal, no sight in my life before could explain it. A cartoonishly large corona with a black hole in a black background. Maybe I just couldn’t comprehend.

The light effects near totality were certainly something to experience. Decades of experience being in sunlight just didn’t jive with what the sun was doing then. It was more akin to a distant white streetlight rather than a sun. It dimmed and crisped shadows unlike a sunset by not turning orange and blurring of the edges.

I’m glad you had the emotional experience I was expecting to have.

Kichae,

Yeah, my photography issues were similar, re: unfamiliar context. I’m still puzzled as to why the quicksetting menu works totally differently when using it in mirrorless mode. But oh well. There’s always… 2044??? Oh, crap.

I admit, other than a better lens with a tighter view, the bits of equipment I really wished I’d invested in were a tracking motor and a shutter remote. I paid zero attention to my camera during totality, but I still had this nagging voice in the back of my head telling me that I should check my centering, and I didn’t need that.

XeroxCool,

To potentially save you the confusion I had, the next popular one in North America will really be 2045. They’re both in August, but the 2044 TSE is a relatively short, northerly event with totality ending in Montana at sunset. Meanwhile, 2045 is more akin to the 2017 path, passing from California to Florida.

Zoomboingding,
@Zoomboingding@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, not much of an emotional reaction from me, beyond a slightly incredulous laugh and an extended wow punctuated by gawking in awe. Definitely should have brought my 'nocs!

essteeyou, do astronomy w Total Solar Eclipse - From 30 Years to 3 Minutes & 20 Seconds

“Hovering in the sky over Potato World” is up there in the top ways to start a sentence.

Glad you had a great experience!

Kichae,

I didn’t plan to view the eclipse over Potato World, but arriving at the hotel and discovering that it was next door did seem like a sign from the universe.

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Being able to pull up or peel something without peeling back your thumb/finger nail is kinda nice. I don’t carry a specific pry-bar, but some things I carry have a pry-bar-esque utility that is super handy.

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Snackette, do games w My GenX gamer ass whenever someone brings up boomers.

I always think of the Boomers in FONV.

EmoDuck, do games w My GenX gamer ass whenever someone brings up boomers.

Gotta admit, I get the hate against boomers. Like, they literally shoot you with artillery when you first try to approach them. (Pro tip: stay close the the rocks, might save your life)

TastyWheat, do games w My GenX gamer ass whenever someone brings up boomers.

Boom!

Grind!

fhek, do games w My GenX gamer ass whenever someone brings up boomers.

I loved this game so much.

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