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dinckelman, do games w Larian Started Work on Baldur's Gate 3 DLC, Then Canceled It: "The Studio Was Elated"

Cancellation like this aren’t always bad. Especially given BG3 as a whole, sometimes it’s good to just ship a complete product, and move onto newer things. They earned a break

lanolinoil,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

sometimes

always

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

are you saying DLC or expansions are never a good idea?

lanolinoil,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I don’t think so – Sequels are the thing you’re supposed to have I think. Everyone drooling over having subscriptions since MMOs sucks and it really looks like the whole culture of the industry is pretty shitty in a lot of ways

E: I guess expansions can be good so you don’t have to be an EA sports franchise if you’re not changing the engine a bunch. Other than EUIV though, whose expansions are a money grab way to make the game cost 150 bucks, I haven’t ever played DLC I can think of.

Kolanaki, (edited )
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Unless the sequel is using way better tech and requires a new engine or massive engine tweaks, a sequel that comes shortly after the original release could be done better, faster and cheaper as an expansion pack.

Other than EUIV though, whose expansions are a money grab way to make the game cost 150 bucks, I haven’t ever played DLC I can think of.

Well there ya go. Paradox DLC is just bullshit. Most of them just add like 1-2 units or characters or factions which mostly boil down to an aesthetic change. Most big games get real additions via DLC that can add up to 50% more game.

ThunderclapSasquatch,

You’ve never touched EUIV or it’s DLC I can tell

lanolinoil,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

The non cosmetic Paradox DLCs fundamentally change the games so if you want to actually play the latest version of the game with all the mechanics you have to get them all. You can get them on steam sale usually for like 50 bucks a couple times a year.

I’m not defending it – It is what colors me most against DLCs.

I still just don’t like the idea of it – Why not do a DLC for movies and paintings and books? It feels wrong to fork a work of art or say “Oh sorry I didn’t actually make it all here’s the other 20%”

Come to think of it – Movie sequels are kind of like that these days where it’s just one story broken up instead of multiple separate stories. I wish we just did 4 hour movies with intermission but I’m sure I’m alone there.

Firipu,
@Firipu@startrek.website avatar

Just a few dlc/expansion packs that were totally worth their money

All Rimworld expansions. Diablo 3 reaper of souls/ D2 lord of destruction The witcher Ballad of gay tony Star craft ones Red alert yuris revenge Horizon zero dawn frozen wilds

Etc… There are good expansions that are totally worth their money and add to the overall game.

That being said, I’m not a huge dlc fan and rarely spend money on them if they don’t really add to the game. More partial to spend on dlc for smaller studio games rather than large ones.

lanolinoil,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t even buy the Rimworld DLCs and I have 500+ hours! I did look at them but didn’t buy. Now that DF is graphical I mostly just play that now tbh.

DF is a great example – 15+ years updates no DLCs unless you count the steam release.

Firipu,
@Firipu@startrek.website avatar

In what world is paying 40usd for a game and 3x 30usd for 500h of entertainment not a good deal? (not particularly aimed at you, but at dlc haters in general)

I am glad when they release a dlc. I get more great content. They get some more financial support.

I am 100% against cheap cash grabs. I am 100% pro multiple well made extentions for a game that allow me to support the studio.

lanolinoil,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

I do agree video games are the best bang for buck entertainment by a mile

Conyak, (edited )

sometimes

always

Sometimes

There are tons of examples where a sequel or DLC have been great additions to a game or series.

aidan,

Far Harbor is a good example

pleb_maximus,

Brood War.

ouRKaoS,

The difference between StarCraft and Brood War is staggering.

I miss getting that big of an upgrade to things. Not to mention the level editor and the endless river of user created content.

pleb_maximus,

They didn’t add all that many units, two per race. But they did have a great impact on the game (mostly).
Also, new campaigns for each race was awesome. The level editor not only brought many fun custom maps (I still think about that weird 300 map I played when I was 16), but ensured longevity of the game until this day by enabling new maps to be played in regular games.

I miss getting all this stuff with a game or expansion too.

sexual_tomato,

Just give us modding tools before leaving this game in the dust 😭

ChaoticEntropy, do games w Larian Started Work on Baldur's Gate 3 DLC, Then Canceled It: "The Studio Was Elated"
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

They’re been working on BG3 for so long as a studio… I can imagine wanting to work on something else.

Here’s hoping for a Games Workshop based RPG, maybe a Warhammer Old World story.

Ashtear, (edited ) do games w Larian Started Work on Baldur's Gate 3 DLC, Then Canceled It: "The Studio Was Elated"

Can’t help but wonder how much of this is due to Hasbro’s mismanagement.

As much as I’d love to see more content from them on BG3, seeing what Larian can do now that they have scaled up to being a major studio is exciting.

Edit: Swen said on Twitter today that it’s not on WOTC.

Kolanaki,
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Can’t help but wonder how much of this is due to Hasbro’s mismanagement.

All of it.

Patches,

Is anyone else still confused

Larian is somehow an independent enough to tell Hasbro to go fuck themselves but not independent enough that Hasbro told them to layoff people, and they said ‘okay’.

Are they independent? Or are they not?

Conyak,

Larian didn’t lay anyone off. Hasbro laid off WotC employees who were working on support for BG3. They have no power of Larian.

Maalus,

Larian worked with Hasbro to make BG3. Hasbro lays off people who helped them (from Hasbro). Larian doesn’t have much say about it other than “it sucks dude”.

starman2112,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nobody at Larion got laid off. Larion worked closely with some people at Wizards of the Coast to make Baldurs Gate 3, and those people got laid off.

Larion could make a game entirely on their own with no involvement with Hasbro or WotC (and they have), but they can’t make anything related to Dungeons and Dragons or the Forgotten Realms without Hasbro and WotC’s cooperation.

Patches,

Thank you for answering my question. That makes more sense.

Kbin_space_program,

They were lamenting that all of the team at Hasbro-Wotc that they worked with on BG3 was laid off.

Not that Hasbro caused layoffs at Larian.

littlebluespark, do games w Star Citizen 1.0 'Twinkles on the Horizon', Dev Says — 12 Years and $669 Million Later - IGN
@littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

Fuuuuck off. Your cult of suckers is not the majority here. Best stick to the echo-holes you already made.

goferking0,

I was posting because it’s amazing they still don’t have an eta on when it’s gonna leave alpha

bungle_in_the_jungle,

Just like with the Pokémon company, nothing will change as long as people keep throwing money at them.

Cybersteel,
@Cybersteel@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like the only way this industry can change is if we have blood on our hands. Be it the publishers or selfish “fans”.

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

It is, don’t let the haters stop you from poking fun at Star Citizen. It’s a ridiculous thing.

andrew_bidlaw, do games w Denuvo Unveils New Tech That Will Make It Easier for Devs to Track Down Leakers
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

With games releasing as a paid pre-alpha nowadays, I don’t find worthy arguments against leaking except for piracy - that is a topic on it’s own.

RogueBanana,

Well there are still a decent amount of games that comes out as closed beta before going public so there’s definitely a market for it but reading irdeta anywhere always stings a little

Katana314,

I don’t follow. Some games do come out as irreparable buggy garbage, get terrible reviews, and nobody of sound mind buys them. Other games come out with a genuinely fun product, and as a result of player engagement, the developer decides to add more - and nobody of sound mind is then claiming they “released it half finished”. Meanwhile, early leaks are always buggy because the bugfixing and polish phases come late in development.

So what does any of that have to do with justifying leaking?

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

The titular arguments about game leaks: that would crush our sales as it shows the version of our product not on par with our quality standards and our vision. When we see how games from Ubi\EA\Beth\etc got released this raw and untested, this argument gets rekt. Digital releases and updates, forever-beta products, raw indies and many other things enabled AAA studios to do the same and get no repercussions, but they’d still bitch if their game is leaked earlier even if they ship undercooked product.

It’s rational to assume if you play leaked pre-release, you have a deficient product on your own terms. Like Diablo 2 remaster that still has LAN play before this P2P solution was killed. It’s on gamers to be that stupid to review-bomb games based on alpha, beta versions. It’s fair if it’s a contemporary comment, but not a final judgement with a youtube title GAMENAME FUCKING FLOPS - MY FIRST UGLY MOMENTS WITH THE GAMENAME. Clickbaity, unfair and tastes like piss.

You expand this conversation to games-as-a-service mode, that is a very different beast. I like seasons and regular updates to a polished games. I dislike games who defacto employed first players as beta-testers who paid money for that.

And I like leaks, not for me being a pirate, but for seeing what’s under the hood and how things changed for my favorite titles like Stalker, the game that has a very weird development cycle and had many traces of feautures devs either couldn’t realise or didn’t have time to do right.

echo64,

I’m tired of every game being spoiled if you happen to engage with any amount of social media because of leakers. I’m okay with that not happening anymore. You can wait a week.

andrew_bidlaw,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

What?

haui_lemmy, do games w Denuvo Unveils New Tech That Will Make It Easier for Devs to Track Down Leakers

Everyting to safeguard the broken IP system.

Cosmicomical, (edited )

So you’re saying you are in favour of free guns for everyone?

Edit: /s for cthulhu’s sake

haui_lemmy,

I found a troll! Nice.

I‘m saying the IP system is broken and more drm isnt the solution, shocker I know.

We need to break up giant companies (999 mil+) and we will break up ip trolls as well.

maynarkh,

So you’re a communist? /s

Cosmicomical,

Ok just to clarify I was indeed trolling in the sense that it was a joke. Judging from the downvotes it was too early and too subject to Poe’s law.

And to expand I also believe current IP laws are a very bad joke.

Cosmicomical,

O crap I suspected I was being too meta

Viking_Hippie, do games w Denuvo Unveils New Tech That Will Make It Easier for Devs to Track Down Leakers

Denuvo continuing to be to gaming what Monsanto was to farming. 🖕

daddy32,

Was? Are Monsanto’s days over?

Viking_Hippie,

Yes and no: they were bought by Bayer 5 years ago, so they don’t exist under that name anymore, but I don’t know how much of their worst bullshit they’re still doing under the new name.

For example, I was unable to confirm or rule out whether they’re still doing the suicide crops and food DRM bullshit as Bayer or not…

evranch,

As a farmer Monsanto has done a lot of sketchy stuff, but I’d like to point out that “terminator crops” actually have a legitimate usage case. There’s few worse weeds than volunteer herbicide-resistant canola, and if it just didn’t come up next year it would be great.

Almost all modern crops are hybrids anyways which don’t breed true. Nobody is saving seed except in very specific cases and even small farmers aren’t even planting bin-run wheat as modern genetics outperform it so greatly.

If you want to save seed there are plenty of open-pollinated varieties out there but unfortunately most of them perform poorly compared to their modern hybrid counterparts, from field crops to garden vegetables.

doublejay1999, do games w Denuvo Unveils New Tech That Will Make It Easier for Devs to Track Down Leakers
@doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

Wait until they find out where the code comes from

skozzii, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

Sony building walls around its ecosystem is going to be its downfall. If they dropped exclusives and went full on PC it could save them, but anything short of that is going to be bad for them.

Last gen about half of my friends didn’t get the new playstation after owning the PS4.

Typically we have all had consoles and PC’s, but they have finally decided to drop the sony ecosystem. Some of them even bought series-s box with gamepass for their kids… I mean even Microsoft allows crossplay as much as possible, which Sony is reluctant to do.

The other half of my friends with playstation 5’s have said that they are not going forward with the PS6.

Sony is on a death spiral as far as the playstation brand goes. As players switch away, it’s going to speed up the decline as the people left will leave the platform to play with others.

Open up PSVR, make a commitment to crossplay, and stop the exclusives and PlayStation can thrive again and grow, not decline.

Itsamelemmy,

I agree that the headset needs to work on pc. That’s what has kept me from buying one and sticking with the rift s currently. But the ps5 game wise is so much better than the Xbox. There’s no reason to buy an Xbox if you have a pc. Sony has quite a few excellent exclusives. They’re starting to come to pc as well which is nice, but they’re still on console first and not everything makes the jump to pc.

FlavoredButtHair, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units
@FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe lower the prices, like half off or something.

any1th3r3, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

NB: Careful, that reporter has apparently been wrong on a number of accounts regarding Sony’s PlayStation business in the past, eg:

I wouldn’t take this article too seriously / as gospel (although PSVR2 has probably not been selling like hot cakes).

Peffse, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

I’d love to see the process they used when they decided to throw away backward compatibility with PSVR1 software. Surely at least one person on the team said it was a bad idea.

I thought out of all the VR hardware manufactures out there… Sony would be the one who had the best chance to get it right. They’ve got a static SKU of hardware for all software devs to target. They’ve got multiple organizations in every known type of electronic device. Yet here we are on round two of them flubbing the potential.

mrfriki, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

People play software, not hardware. No enough quality softwares no sales, period. If we are talking about a niche product this is even more relevant.

Davel23,

This has been the case with console addons all the way back to R.O.B. the Robot, if not earlier. People won't buy an addon if there are no games for it. Companies won't make games for an addon if no one buys it. Catch-22.

FryHyde,

But… R.O.B. wasn’t an add-on. It was a way to market the NES as a toy rather than a console, in the wake of the video games crash of 1983-85. Was just a way to sideload NES systems into the houses of wary consumers.

acosmichippo,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

that’s why the manufacturer needs to lead the way with a killer app.

Fubarberry,
@Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz avatar

You either need the company to commit to making software for it even when hardware sales are lacking (Wii U is a decent example, had really good Nintendo made games despite bad sales), or be a company with such a dedicated fan base that they’ll buy your product regardless of if the software support is there or not (Apple for example).

Grass, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

It would sell easy if they didn’t use some weird hardware only on a select few PC graphics cards. Even if PC support was enabled by modders it would still sell but the hardware requirements are simply too much of a hindrance

Eggyhead, do games w Sony Reportedly Pauses PlayStation VR2 Production to Clear Backlog of Unsold Units

I really want a PSVR 2, but I just don’t trust the library will be there to justify it. I might get a quest because I can do more with it than just game.

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