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Cosmos7349, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

Now: “Don’t worry! Call of Duty will remain on the Playstation! We have a 10-year agreement!”

Next week: “leaked: internal memo, Microsoft renaming to Call of Doods, to be Xbox exclusive”

bingbong,

Coming soon to a Microshaft GameBox™ near you!

Call of Dookie: Modern Shartfare™

dangblingus,

Anyone who still cares about CoD to the point where this is a concern is probably not an adult.

Psythik,

The sad thing was that CoD Mobile was the last decent game in the series. Just think about that for a moment: a freaking cell phone game is better than any CoD title to come out on actual gaming systems in practically a decade.

Cosmos7349,
ILikeBoobies,

Compare the power of your average phone today to the 360

ProfessorProteus,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

I agree that it’s probably mostly children / teens that play those games, but I’m sure a non-insignificant portion of their player base is the type of person who is A-OK with listening to nothing but pop music.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, but they are either afraid of trying something new or they aren’t interested in discovering what they may end up enjoying more than the same derivative time-wasters.

Cosmos7349,

children are people, too.

Kusimulkku,

Barely

KillAllPoorPeople,

Are they though? Children have very little autonomy and human rights. They’re essentially property of their parents.

UndercoverUlrikHD,

Over 1 million PlayStation users solely plays CoD on their system, and 6 million spend 70% of their time playing CoD. It also represented 1,5 billion dollar in revenue for PlayStation worldwide.

Anyone dismissing CoD because “I’m an adult and too cool for Call of Duty” should really question how mature they actually are.

ILikeBoobies,

CoD is mostly an adult game because it was popular with kids back 10-15 years ago

It’s Minecraft and Fortnite that kids play

TrousersMcPants,

Minecraft first released 15 years ago, call of duty modern warfare was 17 years ago.

The “games that kids play” very rapidly becomes “games that adults play”

Pratai,

Yep.

LoamImprovement, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

The only thing I don’t like about Cyberpunk’s writing is that everyone seems to be deathly allergic to pronouns, even when it would clearly make the dialogue flow better.

fckgwrhqq2yxrkt,

That’s to help you remember the names.

gothicdecadence,

Never realized that but you’re probably right! It never irked me, I just assumed it was a stylistic decision. I actually like it tbh

fckgwrhqq2yxrkt,

Yea! It always seems to help me remember them.

LoamImprovement,

I’m talking more about the dialogue between V and other characters where they just adamantly refuse to begin sentences with the words I/me/my/etc. It begins to wear after a while.

upstream,

Well, the player can choose which gender V is, plus there’s a lot of catering to gender fluidity.

It’s definitely a conscious choice, but I can’t say if it’s to not have to record more variations of dialogue, and maybe NPC’s use it less so not to draw attention to them not knowing V’s gender.

That said, nothing that really bothered me, although I still haven’t gone through the entire game.

But maybe it’s just how they picture 2077? Just look at recent history and draw an exponential curve and assume pronouns just went out of fashion?

LoamImprovement,

I mean, it really doesn’t have anything to do with V’s gender, it’s literally just that they start every sentence like, for example, “…Thought” or “…Look like” instead of “I thought” or “You look like,” even when the VO is enunciating in a way that sounds much more emphatic than the dropped pronouns would imply? It makes the dialogue feel kind of disjointed at times.

Granted, I’m using the female V voice, I have no idea if the male VO runs into the same problems, but I imagine they’re reading off of the same script, so it seems likely.

canis_majoris, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

Cool, can WoW be part of my Gamepass sub now? Thanks.

Bonskreeskreeskree,

You think they’re spending billions to give away money??

canis_majoris,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

No, I think they’re going to continue adding massive value to the Gamepass system to keep it afloat and competitive. Maybe a WoW sub is a bit of a stretch, but basically all other games will thrive on the platform. StarCraft 2 is still the benchmark RTS for competitive play. Overwatch and Diablo are not my cups of tea but they would also make great offerings on the platform. Most of Blizzard’s core franchises outside of WoW itself are heavily MTX’d out the ass, battle passes, cosmetics, whatever - even if it’s included in the gamepass sub, the theoretical higher volume of players will likely compensate for unit sales through the aforementioned MTX.

rivalary,

They are going to play classic Microsoft and destroy their competition in this way, then they will do what they want when they have a stranglehold on the market.

canis_majoris,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t think Sony is going to give up that easily, nor is Nintendo or Valve.

Microsoft has tried, with sheer force of capital to buy out these players and couldn’t understand when they were denied. In tech you can do big mergers and acquisitions with sheer capital but Nintendo is a pride and joy crown jewel of Japanese industry, and no amount of money would allow MS to buy them.

MS’ big push for accessibility and cloud gaming makes them ultimately platform agnostic over time, because they are leveraging the cloud technology to deploy their catalogue on any machine with an internet connection and a screen.

“Classic” Microsoft, the EEE (envelop, extend, extinguish) strategy that made them assholes through the 90s and early aughts hasn’t been nearly as prevalent in the current Nadella era. More often than not MS has been forking open source projects or simply contributing to them in their own ways rather than building proprietary systems.

iforgotmyinstance,

This would be dope for all the WoWheads being adopted by MS (I’m one). If I’m bored with everything I just revert to WoW. If my subscription included Gamepass, I may be more inclined to check out titles I wouldn’t otherwise play.

canis_majoris,
@canis_majoris@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s funny that I lead with this because I had a minute to think about it and honestly I kind of just don’t care. Dragonflight did not renew my hopes for retail, although it had some neat mechanic changes. Classic will be over for me probably by the end of January, unless they announce basically Classic+ based around the WOTLK talents. I am going to get my Shadowmourne, kill Arthas on heroic, and then go play FFXIV.

dangblingus,

That’s the only take from Xbox players about this merger that I can get behind.

qyron, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

There goes the competition.

Can someone recommend a good indie game? Better spent money than feeding these vampires.

Dettweiler42,

I’ve been loving BattleBit Remastered lately. It’s cheap, fun as hell, and the very small dev team has been very active and responsive. I bought 3 more copies to give to friends so we could squad up.

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

Better spent money than feeding these vampires.

Just realizing corporations aren’t your friends? Anyways, if you like hard, unique puzzle games, https://store.steampowered.com/app/736260/Baba_Is_You/ is the best there is, fullstop.

Vordus,

I mean, if we’re gonna namedrop completely unique indie darling difficult puzzles, then Return of the Obra Dinn also deserves a mention.

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

I’ve been meaning to play that, but still haven’t gotten to it! Maybe next week

qyron,

I haven’t bought a so called 3A game in several years but Blizzard was a part of my growing years.

So, if I have to spend my money on a game, better to do it on someone worthy of it.

dangblingus,

So not an ABK title then?

qyron,

A what?

bridge_too_close,
@bridge_too_close@kbin.social avatar

I'm guessing Activision Blizzard King

SkyeStarfall,

I’ve been playing delta V: Rings of Saturn recently

Restaldt,

Lies of p if youre into fromsoft like games

Vordus,

And it’s even on Game Pass! Oh, wait…

rivalary,

Keep in mind that they added Denuvo to the game, apparently post-launch.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Dotage just released, it's a relaxing boardgame / city builder made by a single guy over the span of 9 years. It's very addicting in that "one more turn" way, if you're into these types of resource management games.

sep, (edited )

Factorio and Rimworld have kept me entertained several thousand houers each. Hands down the best value for money on steam. Even beat out free to play games ;)

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Haven’t touched factorio but played Rimworld. If you value your time don’t buy rimworld, it is the most addictive game I’ve ever played. It’s a great game don’t get me wrong but I don’t think I’ve ever sat down and played it for less than 3 hrs. You just get sucked in like a void.

loobkoob,

Well let's just say Factorio is known as "cracktorio" for a reason.

MetricIsRight,

If you like city building/survival style games I’ve been having an absolute blast with Timberborn

raptir,

If you like Diablo-likes, there’s…

  • Grim Dawn (new expansion just announced)
  • Last Epoch
  • Warhammer 40k Inquisitor
  • Chronicon (simple graphics but solid gameplay)
  • PoE of course but I don’t need a second job
dangblingus,

Grim Dawn absolutely smokes Diablo 3/4. The true successor to Diablo 2.

raptir,

I enjoy Diablo 3 for the “arcadey” aspect, but Grim Dawn is my top ARPG. I was so excited when they announced another expansion.

ByteWizard,

Terraria is pretty fun

Kekin,
@Kekin@lemy.lol avatar

Baldur’s Gate 3 is amazing

Pohl,

The competition! lol! Activision is going to put out 2 games this year. Whatever will we play now that these 2 games are owned by a platform holder?

You are correct though that there are a million cool ass games you can play right now and put your money in the pockets of people who make THINGS instead of people who make value for shareholders.

ProfessorProteus,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

Not to detract from your argument (I agree completely), but indie game devs not only make actual games, but they tend to pour passion into them rather than a formula.

CADmonkey,

Factorio, Satisfacfory, Baldur’s Gate 3, Noita, Cities:Skylines, Prison Architect, Rimworld, Overload (Descent clone), Mindustry…

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

If you’re into metroidvanias (platformers where you gain abilities over the course of the game, expanding gameplay and allowing you to access new areas in earlier zones) there are lots of really good indie titles. Hollow Knight is the reference, both Ori games are awesome. Dead Cells is also worth a try if you’re into fast-paced action games, though it’s more of a platformer rogue-lite.

LiveLM,

Just your luck: Dome Keeper is on sale right now

time_fo_that,

I’ve been playing a really fun indie spy deception game called Deceive Inc.

Itrytoblenderrender,

Lies of P

dirtySourdough,

I’m really enjoying Valheim lately. It’s similar to Minecraft in a lot of ways, but leans a little more into RPG elements with leveled skills. There’s a bit more of a story, heavier focus on combat, and NPCs to interact with (though I haven’t reached that point myself).

loobkoob,

I just finished playing Cocoon. It was short-but-sweet - it took me two evenings to finish, so probably in the 5-7 hours range - but it was one of the most interesting and engaging puzzle games I've played in a long time. What's especially fascinating to me is that its controls are so simple - everything is done with one analogue stick / WASD and a single interact button - and it's a very linear game, yet it still feels so engaging to play. It's from the lead designer of Limbo and Inside, so it has pedigree.

I played it via Game Pass (ha...) so it's hard for me to say what the value proposition is like. It certainly isn't going to give you the most time for your money, and it doesn't really have much in the way of narrative or themes, at least beyond abstract ones. But it has a gorgeous aesthetic and some fantastic puzzles.

RidgeDweller,

Sea of Stars is a pretty fun, especially if you’re a fan of old school turn based jrpgs. Pretty decent story too.

docoptix,

Hades, Into the Breach

ExcursionInversion, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
@ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world avatar

Wonder if more blizzard games will end up on steam now?

Voytrekk,
@Voytrekk@lemmy.world avatar

With Diablo IV arriving soon, I wouldn’t be surprised to see most, if not all of their games on Steam over the next few years.

AGD4,

Just remember that with game pass growth, more attention will be put on the xbox ecosystem overall, including the xbox launcher & marketplace app. So I’m not sure games are more likely to go to Steam than before.

Renacles, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

I really do hope they get rid of Bobby.

navi, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
@navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

One good thing to come of this (hopefully) is the chance to clear the C Suite people from AKB. I hope all of the AKB employees get what they deserve, which is a new set of higher ups that aren’t sexist dickbags.

Xanvial,

Why do you assume the higher-ups will be gone? Bethesda’s C level seems unchanged

520,

Bethesda's C level doesn't threaten to seriously damage Microsoft's image. ActiBlizz's C level tolerated and encouraged sexual assault.

Okalaydokalay,

Did they really encourage it? Genuinely curious as I never heard that before, but that’s wild if true.

Spellinbee,

Encouraged may not be the right word, but they allegedly knew and not only didn’t not care, but tried to hide issues from the board of directors. Plus the CEO literally threatened to kill his assistant.

gamingbolt.com/activision-blizzard-ceo-bobby-koti…

520,

I would say willfully and deliberately turning a blind eye and making sure there are no negative consequences, letting him get what he wants from it is encouragement

ryathal,

That’s true, tolerating sexual assault is one of the few things dangerous to them.

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Exactly what I’m hoping for.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

That’s literally the only reason I’m supportive of this. Super mega corporate mergers are usually bad for consumers, but those fuckwits are so much worse.

ono,

AKB

What’s that K for?

menny,

King, who makes candy crush and other mobile games

ono,

I thought King was a subsidiary, rather than part of the parent company’s name. Has that changed?

daithi,

King

DietBajaBlast,

Those c suite folks are about to make mega bank. This liquidity event will let them cash out all their stock options. I have experienced it.

Gigan, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

Ugh, I hate these giant corporations gobbling each other up.

Blapoo, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

I was done with Activision BEFORE Microsoft came along.

Not with a 100 foot pole. Get fukt Activision

Case, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

Unless things change drastically for their RPG division, I’ll repeat what I’ve said since oblivion. Bethesda makes great modding platforms, the content within the game is a loose theme that modders can play with.

Yes the new Fallouts are just TES in the Apocalypse.

Yes starfield is little more than TES in space.

I buy Bethesda games for mod potential.

If they said no mods to all future games I wouldn’t buy another one. I don’t play ESO and I have never touched fallout 76 for this reason.

Swedneck,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I mean ESO isn’t a bethesda game, it’s made by zenimax.

And from what i remember it’s actually pretty decent for what it is, it definitely looks nice and iirc while it has microtransactions to catch the whales, it isn’t an absolute twat about it and there at least was a membership system that was/is quite reasonable.

spiderkle, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
@spiderkle@lemmy.ca avatar

The logical question here is: will COD be in gamepass? otherwise what’s the point of this takeover.

Maalus,

Starcraft 3 is the point

ryathal,

Those devs already left. At best it would be a hollow shell of a game like aoe 4.

Maalus,

There are some games made by SC devs or SC players, we’ll see how it turns out. I would like to see SC3 with full financial support of a AAA studio.

ryathal,

Aoe 4 wasn’t great and that was AAA support. The people that made SC great are gone, most are at frostgiant, Dreamhaven, Warchief, and more.

Maalus,

Yeah okay, let me want what I want instead of trying to convince me not to

ryathal,
Maalus,

Ffs buddy, learn to let it go. I mentioned the two games in my previous comments already. Then I mentioned I would like an actual Starcraft 3 from Blizzard. You don’t need to point me at anything, just accept someone else wishing for something and move on.

kemsat,

Nah nah, StarCraft: Ghost is coming back. It’s just a matter of using the Gears of War engine & adding in StarCraft textures & models & SFX.

RedAggroBest,

I’d rather it look and feel like Halo

Bonskreeskreeskree,

I’m sure black ops 1-4 will definitely be a part of it!

UkaszGra,

Candy Crash instead of blue screens.

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

You can bet your sweet ass CoD will be part of it. Possibly not MW3 but the next game will be a big day 1 game pass launch, guaranteed.

FireTower,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe they’ll make warzone no longer free to play but instead included in game pass as a means of recruiting more members.

bob_lemon, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

Sad times for everyone that still believed in antitrust.

probablyaCat,

Meh. A competitive monopoly has a better outcome than the near monopoly PS4 got when it came to exclusives. Yeah a lot of existing IP will be for one or the other. But for third party studios, they will be much less likely to make exclusive games if the console market is more balanced between the two. Nintendo is kind of in a world of its own. And with the steam deck helping push PC into a base level standard, I think we might see some opening up of high quality third party stuff.

Bonskreeskreeskree,

You still believed?

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Honestly I’m okay with this one, but it’s mostly because Activision Blizzard has great IP with some seriously awful management … and Microsoft actually has been doing much better in that department for games.

demonquark,

Yeah… In practice, every time a company gets anything that even slightly resembles a captured market, they stop investing in quality and starting shafting consumers.

Make no mistake, that is Microsoft’s end game. And that’s why they’re buying Blizzard.

leftzero,

Luckily, Activision Blizzard already stopped investing in quality and started shafting customers quite a while back, so worst case scenario (in this particular case, your criticism is still valid for most others) nothing changes, best case scenario Microsoft actually cleans house and the market becomes slightly less anti-consumer with one of the worst offenders gone…

Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar
Dark_Arc,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Microsoft even with Activision Blizzard would not have a captured market. Valve, Crytek, Sony (which now holds Bungie), Epic, Electronic Arts, CD Projekt Red, Take-Two, and Ubisoft are all still quite potent AAA capable studio just in the PC space … along with tons of independent studios (e.g., Ghost Ship Games, Shiro Games, Hello Games, Re-Logic).

The Microsoft internal doc leak said they’re mostly after King Games (mobile games) anyways. I’d wager at worst Microsoft will let the traditionally Activision & Blizzard studios do their things… at best they’ll clean up the executive teams and let the devs “play” a bit more with the IPs.

Mojang has flourished under Microsoft.

TheDarkKnight,

343 sucked under MS. Bethesda’s been underwhelming. Rare, meh. Lionhead, meh. Obsidian, meh.

Playground has been good, same with Doublefine. Ninja had Senua, which was good.

Pretty much a coin flip I’d say, but helped by the fact Blizzard has stunk out loud in recent years…change might be good.

Tlaloc_Temporal,

The enshitification of Mojang has begun. Ridiculous privacy policies and bans in singleplayer. And the biggest introduction under MS was the engine rewrite, which was already underway when they were acquired.

Twohandedman,

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  • Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    I mean, it’s had plenty of success with its own IP… Heard of Starfield? Minecraft … and it’s nth successful Spinoff? Forza Horizon 5? Sea of Thieves? Flight Simulator 40th Anniversary Edition? Age of Empires IV? Age of Empires XYZ DE? Fallout 76?

    The only major “flop” I can think of that wasn’t corrected (at least so far) is Halo Infinite and … that largely seems to be a 343 issue. There’s also Redfall, but that was a new IP in an over saturated space … it’s not like they’ve stopped developing IPs, fixing games, and trying new things.

    Twohandedman,

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  • Dark_Arc,
    @Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

    Go look at Fallout 76’s reviews, it was unpopular at launch (IIRC) but it’s doing very well now … and that’s the point, they kept the lights on until the majority of players were happy.

    Minecraft has had several games derived from it, that were entirely different games set in the Minecraft universe.

    Microsoft bought Bethesda 3 years ago. To say that they had no ability to influence and/or didn’t take a risk on Starfield is … lazy at best.

    And yes, they own Redfall as well, time will tell if they fix that one or it’s just a straight up failure.

    slaacaa,

    Unapproved language detected, account locked. Drink verification can!

    Pohl,

    Trust = one or more independent organizations making secret agreements to mutual benefit.

    Mergers: not a trust.

    Monopoly = a single organization that controls an overwhelming amount of the market.

    Microsoft buying a publisher that put out 2 games in 2023: not a monopoly.

    ILikeBoobies,

    How many times do they have to buy that 2 game publisher before they reach a monopoly?

    Phen,

    How many of the last 10 games you bought were from Microsoft?

    Pohl,

    How many games game out this year? Thousands. There is absolutely zero possibility that MS or anyone else is anywhere near holding monopoly status on the production of entertainment software. Even if they bought EVERYTHING new creators would enter the space the very next day.

    Kit, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

    Will we finally see WoW on consoles?

    HelixTitan, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

    I think it is just a new modern game so therefore hyperbole demands it much be either the best thing ever or trash. A lot of people said RDR2 was “dated” design as well. I think they both have strengths, same with Cyberpunk. I think only BG3 is a step forward for RPG storytelling, Cyberpunk, Starfield, Red Dead all have issues, but they allow the player to get immersived in their worlds and at the end of the day that’s all that matters.

    lemillionsocks,
    @lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

    Oh man this discourse has been absolutely typical Gamer garbage on the various subreddits. Every day a new thread with thousands of posts not reading the article but rushing in to say the same thing. It’s weird because they are very different games and it also feels like Im taking crazy pills because while I have not played cyberpunk(Im waiting for it go get super cheap on sale before I bother with it) I remember the launch being an absolute shitshow and the general consensus on the story being “meh”.

    Suddenly starfireld comes out and now Cyberpunk is heralded as the greatest at everything. Like you dont have to pick a team you can just like what you like. I get bethesda sold out to microsoft and is now under scrutiny, and I get that the same vocal posters let themselves get wrapped up in hype, but this is excessive.

    acastcandream,

    Yeah I don’t get it. Cyberpunk is getting serious rose-tinted glasses. I hear PL has greatly enhanced it but it just dropped and CDPR has been fixing the game for what? 3 years? That was a rough initial 18mo in particular.

    lemillionsocks,
    @lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

    Part of me almost wonders if it’s been elevated because it’s frequently featured on those benchmark videos that have gotten so popular lately. Heavy use of ray tracing, frequently updated to get new features, very tweakable, and thousands of videos using Cyberpunk as the standard for hardware to be measured by just puts a bug in your head.

    acastcandream,

    That’s an interesting theory for sure!

    KeenFlame,

    Yeah it’s definitely not because the tech is cutting edge and no other game has come close to using these features correctly

    acastcandream,

    Look make no mistake, the game visual is a feast. But that’s not enough to make up for all the other shortcomings. At least not for me. After the initial heist mission, which was unbelievable by the way, I just got so bored. 

    That being said, I’ve heard enough praise for phantom liberty that I am considering jumping back in. I’m not quite sure I’m ready to pay for DLC though after what was delivered initially.
    

    0xD,

    CP was shit and unplayable on consoles at release and more-or-less buggy depending on hardware but fully playable on PC. It did not live up to the grandiose marketing promises but it is a wonderful game for what it is. Interesting world, varied quests/gigs/jobs with interesting decisions to make, super fun weapons, and now a fun skill build mechanics.

    Phantom Liberty is peak Cyberpunk, but the game itself is great - at release and now even more. Does not excuse the pathetic release though and deceiving marketing. At least they did something with it.

    FaeDrifter,

    PL brought a trait system overhaul, cyberware overhaul, and combat overhaul that dramatically changed up the gameplay loop even in the core game.

    The story was always amazingly crafted, but the game never warranted a second play through. Now it does.

    HumbleHobo,
    @HumbleHobo@beehaw.org avatar

    It seems weird that you are judging Cyberpunk without ever having played it. Saying that the general consensus is “meh” is not accurate at all. The game had bugs and it had some technical and gameplay issues that made its much more mature brethren seem better or more well thought through. That’s true.

    There’s a huge BUT here though. The storytelling and main questlike through Cyberpunk, at launch, was pretty freaking spectacular. I say this as someone who readily acknowledges the issues with the game at launch. Yes, they have addressed most of those issues, and the game feels better now, but the same story from launch-day is still there and is a rather compelling and great experience. I’m on my second playthrough of it now with the PL expansion and so far it’s been so much better.

    And this is all to say nothing of the truly jaw-dropping level design and aesthetics, AT launch, that the game is still sporting. I remember saying when I first played this at launch that I really hope they release some more expansions for this game because the environment is so richly detailed, it feels like I’m running around in a dystopian nightmare.

    lemillionsocks,
    @lemillionsocks@beehaw.org avatar

    Like I said I’m basing my assessment on both games by the response the community gave and reviews Ive read and seen. I tend to do the patient gamer thing and wait for big steam sales before buying a game(unless its something I really want and sometimes I know indy games are already cheap and grab it at a lesser sale). Cyberpunk had a similarly criticized launch with the multiple daily 1001 posts on reddit and much like starfield has people who defend it you had people defending cyberpunk as well.

    But from the outside looking in it was literally the same. You had the people who let themselves get spunup by the hypemachine absolutely let down when the game didnt live up to the hype.

    You had the people who were chastising the bugs and “dated mechanics” how the game “didnt feel alive” and the “driving physics suck”

    You had the hardcore CRPG fans for whom the only true RPG is: Baldurs gate 2, Morowind, Fallout 2, and special mentions to fallout new vegas. They’d come in and criticize lack of options and choice and blablabla.

    You had the youtubers clowning on the game like Dunky showcasing a bug-fest.

    And among people who actually reviewed the game the community consensus I saw was polarizing. Some did love it but a lot of people expressed it not living up to potential.

    Again I cant say for sure(maybe next winter sale will be my time to shine) but it’s feels like this outrage cycle was targeting cyberpunk for a while and then one day it just stopped. And now that its time for the community to throw their poo at something again cyberpunk is the hero of the story.

    So sorry for the rambling but in short my post is less a personal judgment of cyberpunk and more a “the community hated this game and had little good to say about it, and now it’s their precious baby and starfield is the bad one”. I know its not happening here but I figure rather than spitting into the wind on reddit I’d complain about this weird online discourse here.

    HumbleHobo,
    @HumbleHobo@beehaw.org avatar

    I think the reason you saw the response you saw is that a lot of the players who bought Cyberpunk on the PC early on were too busy PLAYING the game to talk about it online. If you were a console user though you had little choice though, the console versions of Cyberpunk were awful at launch and deserved much of the scorn they received, I am not certain on stats, but I’m positive that most of the game-breaking bugs were on the console. Yes, I noticed some bugs on my first playthrough on the PC, but it wasn’t as dramatic as what I saw people posting regarding console Cyberpunk.

    SaltySalamander,
    @SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

    Beat the game within the first week of release (on PC). There were no serious gamebreaking bugs, and you are correct, the story is essentially unchanged between release and now. The story was always great.

    ampersandrew,
    @ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

    The criticism of Red Dead had little to do with the impressive systems that they built for the world and a whole lot to do with how they took that freedom away from you in missions. There was very much a way they could have kept the linear story that plays out the same way every time without cutting to a hard fail state for using your brain. That's the part that felt dated, especially contrasted against the actual cool, innovative stuff that exists in the same video game.

    BigBananaDealer,
    @BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

    i feel red dead is amazing to look at but playing it is so boring id rather watch paint dry. the last time i played red dead was to just do the drunk saloon mission again, which is also where i stopped playing the first time

    squid, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

    I can agree, cyberpunk has a much gritter mature and well thought out world were as Bethesda titles demand cognitive dissonance

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