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ninjan, do games w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient

Mass Effect and Dragon Age makes Cyberpunks story telling feel ancient as well in my very firm opinion.

GentlemanLoser,

You’re welcome to your opinion but those are some old games. Are you sure it’s better or is it nostalgia?

Shalakushka, (edited )
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I just replayed DAO last year. It holds up in a way Cyberpunk didn't manage on its first play through. The rest of the series is a trash fire though. Mass Effect is forgettable outside of the excellent world building of the first game.

drekly,

Yeah nobody knew how to tell stories 10 years ago, it’s only thanks to new storytelling technology that cyberpunk can tell such a boring story with barely any variations. (YOUR BACKGROUND WILL SHAPE YOUR STORY! lol)

Chozo,

Barely any variations? Did you even finish the game?

There's several significantly different paths you can wind up going down in the end. Like, incredibly different endings. And your actions do influence how those endings all play out, too.

LagrangePoint,

I hear this argument from people who played the background prologues and thought those were the major decisions in Cyberpunk. Mild spoiler alert to anyone who hasn’t played: they are essentially short tutorials, not major storylines.

GentlemanLoser,

I didn’t say anything like that. I’m asking you if you’re judging newer games against your nostalgic view of how good those games were. But you’re weirdly defensive about it so go jerk off to female Shepherd and come back with that post nut clarifty

drekly,

I am not the same person

nicman24,

mass effect 3 story was shit

dylanTheDeveloper,
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We got like 3 colors

1984, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
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It’s fine, they already turned into shit.

Microsoft will make it worse but it’s easy to avoid this stuff, unlike Github.

derpgon,

I’d argue GitHub is one of those project they didn’t absolutely fuck up.

s_s,
@s_s@lemmy.one avatar

yet

derpgon,

Well, it’s been a few years already, and no enshitification yet.

Tlaloc_Temporal,

They owned Minecraft for… 4? 5? years before enshitifying it. There is no time limit for enshitification.

derpgon,

True. I forgot about that since I haven’t played on public MP server fot quite a while now, usually just vanilla/modded with friends.

thorbot, do games w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient

Starfield is ancient according to the developers, they’ve been working on it for 25 years

kurcatovium,

If this is work of 25 years, it’s honestly quite sad.

msage,

It’s always like this.

When you work on something for longer than 5 years, the tech and expectations from competing games will run ahead of you.

And you can’t just rewrite the story and engine and map and characters every time you get delayed.

So you should just shoot every AAA project that lags more than 5 years on the spot. It’s way too late for it at that time. And start from market analysis, not just rewriting everything in the ‘current engine and style’.

samus12345,
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Or don’t use an engine that was already over 5 years out of date when you started the project.

msage,

Hey, Bethesda is already on life support, no need to punch down

Whirlybird, do games w Xbox Series X/S players feel forgotten by Rockstar after Red Dead Redemption 60fps PS5 port

Not sure why some people are blaming Microsoft for this, they’ve got nothing to do with it. Their amazing backwards compatibility allowed people to play RDR on their consoles for years at 4K already, but rockstar are the ones that chose to not release the port on Xbox.

switches, do gaming w Dave the Diver getting crabs, lobsters, new missions, and more in October content update
@switches@kbin.social avatar

god i love dave the diver glad to see more coming along. i need two more achievements to perfect it still, so any excuse to go back is a good one lol

DebatableRaccoon, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

Starfield made Starfield feel ancient by being entirely unoptimised.

Kanda, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

Will it then be MicrosoftActivisionBlizzatd?

520,

Nah, it's an acquisition, not a merger

shasta,

So they’ll just call it Microsoft. Got it.

superpants, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

I only care if MS makes blizz bring back OW1

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Getting rid of Bobby Kotic would be priority number one if you ask me.

Phegan,

The problem is, even if they get rid of bobby kotick, he still wins. He is going to walk a way with millions of dollars in a separation agreement.

MeanEYE,
@MeanEYE@lemmy.world avatar

Let me dream of some clause in this contract which he breached and no one dared point it out. Ruined reputation or something.

regbin_,

Why do you want OW1 back?

superpants,

Because I paid for it

regbin_,

I paid for Overwatch too but tbh I’d rather have Overwatch 2. There’s no loot box bullcrap and the playerbase now is actually pretty sizeable now compared to OW1 near the end.

I do miss the free rewards but they’re just cosmetics. A bigger playerbase is more beneficial to the game than more free skins.

Kolanaki, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion
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Starfield is the first and only Bethesda game I haven’t really liked. It’s got all the same gameplay elements, but it’s lacking the world building and interesting stories. The lore is bland as fuck, barely scratches the surface of what you’d want to know, and none of the stories really lean into actually telling you about the world in a fun way, opting instead to give big blocks of dialogue that are nothing but history and exposition. Where is the environmental story-telling they’ve always had? Is the blandness of the world simply a matter of it being new and young and not having nearly as much history as Elder Scrolls and Fallout to build on? Have they simply lost their touch? Believe me, I have tried to like this game. I am a huge fan of space stuff and Bethesda games, but it just doesn’t have that certain something that makes their games actually fun.

Cethin,

It’s really strange. The area under the main NC city was pretty good. It had character. Locations felt like they belonged and not just stuck there because they needed something there. It tells you a story about the people who live there. It’s literally the only place in the game that does this that I’ve seen. I don’t understand how so much went wrong with Starfield.

KeenFlame,

Hint: the previous games weren’t exactly amazing at this either. Worse, in many areas. It’s quite rose tinted from nostalgia

Kolanaki,
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Regardless of the quality of the writing, they certainly had more interesting ideas in their lore and settings that added something to the experience. That’s what Starfield is lacking.

Disgusted_Tadpole, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week
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Activision Blizzard has become such a huge pile of disgusting shit that people are quite tempted to see what would happen if the devil Microsoft buys it.

What a time to be alive

MeanEYE,
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Yeah, never thought I’d live the day to see it but here we are. Blizzard use to be the darling of all gamers, only one who did things right and released games when they were actually done. Then money hungry shitheads took over.

KingThrillgore,
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Absolutely nothing.

Clbull,

I’m just happy to potentially see Bobby Kotick, Ion Hazzikostas, Mike Ybarra, etc ousted.

Don’t get me wrong. Fifteen years ago I would have flipped if Microsoft put in a bid to buy Vivendi and get their paws on Blizzard, after seeing how badly they ruined Rare. Activision tanked the brand so bad that I’m actually rooting for Microsoft.

LetMeEatCake,

I don’t think Kotick is at all certain to be kicked out. As easily as I can see MS letting him go with an enormous golden parachute, I can just as easily imagine them keeping him onboard because all they care about is Activision’s ability to make money.

In all likelihood Blizzard isn’t going to be managed any differently. Microsoft’s modus operandi with gaming acquisitions is to leave the leadership in place and let the dev/publisher run itself. Why is everyone expecting different here? The most likely outcome is MS does nothing to Blizzard and Blizzard continues on more or less the same trajectory as before.

ShaunaTheDead, do gaming w Dave the Diver getting crabs, lobsters, new missions, and more in October content update
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe they shouldn't release even more content. That game is jam packed already!

You think you're done and then BAM! you're running a fish farm and an actual farm, then BAM! you're running errands for a mermaid kingdom, BAM! you're doing a whole side quest under the ice sheet, BAM! you're opening branches of the sushi restaurant... etc, etc, etc...

I love to see a game with tons of a content but I fear they may have overdone it a bit.

HawlSera, do games w Microsoft expected to finally buy Activision Blizzard next week

Please I’m begging you just fire everyone who works at blizzard

Cethin,

The decisions made do not reflect what the developers want. Honestly, they’ve done a good job. Blizzard has just made them make shitty things. Technically they are good games, just not as an experience.

PraiseTheSoup,

Warcraft reforged barely even functions compared to the original game that they ruined. The whole company is trash from the top to the bottom.

crius,

This is classic ignorant take of the average user that don’t know how corporate gaming industry works.

The “developers”, the actual engineers, don’t decide shit, some manager that only care for what the higher ups are telling them. And what the higher ups are telling is the same in all corporates: Increase the cash flow.

regbin_,

Overwatch 2 is great so it’s not all bad.

averyminya, do gaming w Hands-on with AMD FSR 3 frame generation - taking the fight to DLSS 3

I can’t wait to use FSR 3 with Intel XSEE on my NVIDIA card, locked out of frame gen!

Fisch, do gaming w Hands-on with AMD FSR 3 frame generation - taking the fight to DLSS 3
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What I’m really excited for is being able to play games that are locked to 60 fps (like on emulators) at 120 fps, since I have a 144 hz monitor

lupec,

I thought emulators usually didn’t have access to the motion vectors you need to implement stuff like this or DLSS? I seem to recall hearing about it at some point.
If that’s indeed the case, it’s probably not happening anytime soon because the article mentions FSR3 needs a FSR2 base to work with.

Fisch,
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Emulators translate the shaders and then render it the same way every other game does, so they do have access to the motion vectors

lupec,

I looked it up properly and I think takes such as this one, by the yuzu dev team, are what I was thinking of. Meaning, sure, some representation of the info is always available somewhere technically but it’s not usually usable information.
That all said, I’m sure better heuristics and techniques will become available so here’s hoping it gets easier in the future!

Fisch,
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Would probably be possible on a game by game basis tho which would be a lot of work but technically possible

dudewitbow,

I dont believe fluid frames reuires motion vectors as a hard requirement, else the driver level option where you force a game to use the function would never work (which is a feature).

However so far, fluid frames is only available on DX11 and DX12 titles, so many emulators would not have acess to the option. Switch emulation, and PS3 emulation which would need it the most, dont use directx

lupec,

Ah, fair. I forgot that driver level option was a thing. Hopefully they manage to make it work with Vulkan eventually.

ono,

so far, fluid frames is only available on DX11 and DX12 titles

Given how similar Vulkan is to Direct3D 12, it seems likely to be supported before long.

dudewitbow,

I think the flags exist, its just not implemented yet as AMD is being pushed to get it out sooner than later due to the long delays. But in a state where it isnt an abysmal feature (e.g DLSS 1.0)

hot_milky, do gaming w Cyberpunk's storytelling makes Starfield seem ancient - Opinion

I would be satisfied if Bethesda did stick to their “ancient ways”. Focusing more on environments and immersion rather than character-driven storytelling like any other RPG. Of course they did neither for Starfield unfortunately.

Swedneck,
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I don’t remember who said it, but in some youtube video they said something along the lines that fallout 76 could have been the ultimate bethesda game if it was actually finished on release and didn’t have that stupid “no human NPCs” gimmick, as it REALLY embraced that environmental design that they’re actually good at.

They can clearly make fun games, look at skyrim and fallout 4 which tons of people love to just run around doing quests and fighting stuff in, but then they always bollocks it up by forcing in a story that barely makes sense upon closer scrutiny and they never capitalize of the potential of really truly interacting with the world.

I think bethesda could actually make the best VR game so far, the format plays perfectly into what they’re good at since as valve realized people just want to rummage around drawers for hours on end and explore the environments.
Hell even as is skyrim VR seems pretty sweet, imagine if they actually designed the game for VR from scratch!

termus,
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Skyrim VR modded to hell is nuts and incredibly fun.

Cethin,

Fallout 4 VR was a cool experience. I don’t know about a good game though. It doesn’t help they didn’t even seem to test if it worked. For example, red dot sights don’t really work by default (though there’s a mod to fix it). By default it’s just a texture on the center of the sight, which isn’t how that works. The mod just makes the dot display (near) infinity forward. That’s just one minor issue that’s obvious. I don’t think any of the DLC works with it and most mods don’t either, so it’s pretty limited.

Swedneck,
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Well a lot of people had very fun with fallout 4, which is my definition of a good game.

It’s not a great game, nor a competent one aside from the environments and functional gunplay, and it’s a fucking terrible fallout game, but it is pretty fun if you just run around shooting things and looking at the environments and laughing at the environmental storytelling.

Cethin,

I mean Fallout 4 VR I don’t know if I’d say is good. It’s got a lot of comicatioms that the regular game doesn’t have.

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