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RizzRustbolt, do gaming w Valve says "technology doesn't exist" yet for full Steam Deck 2.0

Powerglove style controllers with a holographic screen.

disheveledWallaby,
MrScottyTay, do gaming w Valve says "technology doesn't exist" yet for full Steam Deck 2.0

I wonder if the technology they’re waiting for is a more powerful arm processor?

datendefekt,
@datendefekt@lemmy.ml avatar

Highly doubt it, because pretty much all games are compiled for x86, and would require dynamic recompilation, which I’m turn costs performance.

Or… they could perform the recompilation beforehand just like the precompiled shaders. Hmmm… that would make it pretty viable!

MrScottyTay,

I think it’s well in valves wheelhouse after proton to do something similar and revolutionise x86 to ARM translation. But at the moment better chips still need to arrive for that too be good enough for a product to built around. Which is why it’s the first thing i think of when they say they need technology to advance more before they make a new steam deck.

Chobbes,

x86 to ARM translation is a fairly different problem than what proton solves, so I don’t think it’s clearly in their wheelhouse. Proton / wine is mostly just an implementation of windows libraries on Linux, but doing efficient x86 emulation on arm is a compiler problem. I would guess that Valve could do it or at least hire people to do it, but it’s a bit of a different skill set. Doing x86 efficiently on ARM (particularly with concurrency) also likely involves some extensions to ARM like Apple does with their chips. I haven’t heard if the snapdragon elite chips have anything for x86 compatibility baked in at all. Frankly, I’m treating the snapdragon elite with a fair degree of scepticism until you can actually buy the thing, but I hope it’s good!

MrScottyTay,

Then maybe those chips that would help with that process is what they’re waiting for then.

Chobbes,

I don’t think they’re waiting for ARM specifically. If that ends up working out, sure, but if they can get x86 with the right power to performance ratio I doubt they would complain.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

No

MrScottyTay,

Did your uncle at valve spill the beans?

antihumanitarian,

Architecture emulation for current gen games is exceptionally unlikely right now. At a fundamental level, wine/proton doesn’t change the instructions the code describes, rather it translates the input and output. It’s a reimplementation of the same instructions in Windows. For architecture crossing you’d either have to create virtual hardware, which adds tremendous overhead, or recompile the binary. Recompilation is theoretically possible, but for x86_64 to ARM64, for games no less, it’s beyond the realm of mortals. It’s like how some jokes can’t be translated between languages; the structure and vocabulary is just too different.

MrScottyTay,

Microsoft and Apple have some form of x86 to Arm translation at the moment. Also I know it’s not something that’s really done now. I’m not arguing it can be done right this second cause valve are talking about that there’s something they want to do but can’t yet and need technology to get a bit better before they move on with their plan. I’m saying this feels like the most logical thing that they’re waiting for.

lloram239, do games w GTA 6 has patented a new locomotion system to make "highly dynamic and realistic animations"

Anybody remember Euphoria? Also seen in that canceled Indiana Jones game.

adrian783,

ues, euphoria was used in gta4 and Jedi unleashed

Toneswirly, do games w Dead Space 3 producer "would redo it almost completely"

Played through coop recently with a friend who’s also a series fan. The game is a bloated disaster. Too many reused assets, useless mechanics and a real icky feeling that all EA games have that they were designed by committee.

Tronn4, do games w GTA 6 has patented a new locomotion system to make "highly dynamic and realistic animations"

We need a video game “taco bell” to take on this stupid “taco John patented taco Tuesday slogan”

Mr_Buscemi, do gaming w Digital Foundry - Redfall's 60fps patch works - but this isn't the redemption story we were hoping for
@Mr_Buscemi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Gave the game another try after the update and I’m actually enjoying it now. Gotten to the 2nd map and there are a ton of enemies fighting everywhere now. They really did increase the amount of NPCs you see around the map.

Wanted something moody/dark to play during October and this has scratched that itch.

Only played solo but I’d rate it as a 6.5/10 now. The original version would be like a 5/10 to me.

match, do games w This indie dev (Indie RPG Inkbound) is removing all microtransactions after noting that "player sentiment is trending against" them
@match@pawb.social avatar

I love this game btw

gk99, do gaming w Sony confirms cyber-attack exposed details of nearly 7000 current and former employees

Sony confirms cyber-attack exposed details of nearly 7000 current and former

😳

employees

😴

UndercoverUlrikHD, do games w Cancelled loot shooter Hyenas allegedly "Sega's biggest budget game ever", new report claims
@UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev avatar

Total War Warhammer 3 “died” for this, talk about terrible management.

adept, do games w Game prices are too low, says Capcom exec

Quality can only increase. If people have to think twice about buying games and don’t preorder every half- finished game

Rand0mA,

Ah. The old preorder my bullshit game before you realise we stopped putting effort into it to finish the fucking thing scam.

li10, do games w Capcom would "gracefully decline" an acquisition offer from Microsoft

Don’t imagine Microsoft would have too much success trying to poach Japanese companies.

They’re notoriously “Japan first” in everything they do, but enough money would probably change that.

ollie, do gaming w Payday 3 players endure second consecutive day of server issues, preventing them from playing

if only there was a way where… the game could be offline play-able… with a bonus of being free…

Serdan, do games w Payday 3 players endure second consecutive day of server issues, preventing them from playing

“endure” 🫡

GentlemanLoser,

Remember remember Payday 3 in September

themusicman,

Earth, wind and fire?

GentlemanLoser,

Haha, no but that tickles me

Guy Fawkes (the guy the V for Vendetta mask represents) tried to blow up UK parliament in the 1600s. The Brits have a nursery rhyme for it:

“Remember, remember the 5th of November, gunpowder, treason and plot; for there is a reason why gunpowder and treason should ne’er be forgot.”

I was just being silly by implying that living thru Payday 3 server issues are on the same level and get their own version of the rhyme

Serdan,

You had me doubting my memory for a moment there. I used to know the movie version by heart, but it’s been a hot minute. 😄

Maybe it’s time for a rewatch

sigmaklimgrindset, do games w Bluey's getting a four-player video game adaptation in November

GotY has arrived

CluckN, do games w Bluey's getting a four-player video game adaptation in November

Souls fans are shaking in their boots

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