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chemicalprophet, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

Fuck tinendo.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i mean if i had a specific nintendo console for pirated games, i wouldn’t connect it to the internet

VirgilMastercard, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

I’m gonna pirate some Nintendo games just out of spite, really.

Nima, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
@Nima@leminal.space avatar

i can’t wait to pirate their new switch 2 games 🥰 its gonna be awesome.

jaschen, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

So a few years ago I wanted to play a Japanese version of a rhythm game that isn’t available to purchase in the USA and decided to try my hand at modding my switch for this one game.

After(poorly) doing it, I wasn’t able to play that game AND Nintendo bricked me. All my games on my switch that I purchased were unable to download or play anymore.

So I went and set out to mod my switch correctly.

Now if I actually wanted to give Nintendo money, they won’t allow me to. So my only option from then on is to pirate.

They basically turned a potentially paying customer to a non paying customer.

Quexotic,

So, this is a basic security principle. If the system of access is too “secure” or too inconvenient, people will create workarounds.

Need keys for all the doors every second of every day? You’ll find duct tape on all the latches.

Password is 15 characters and changes every 60 days? You’re going to find post-its under keyboards.

Spread all digital content across 8 streaming providers that cost about $180/y? Torrent time.

Nintendo wants to brick users for trying to play an out of region game they paid for? They’ll never pay again and will reverse engineering your shit out of spite.

Same thing we saw with the music industry utterly failing to embrace internet distribution. Limewire and bearshare are their fucking lunch.

When will they learn to just make access easy? People, generally, would rather pay than pirate but when you start making shit difficult, nobody wants to play your games anymore and you see massive losses.

Meet your customers where they’re at!

Zahille7,

Doesn’t Xbox let you change your console’s region in the settings?

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i have an account on my ps4 (and ps5) that i log into and suddenly i’m in a different region. the ps5 says i only get so many region changes, but i can log into the accounts as many times as i want

Quexotic,

Never tried. I’m a ps guy now, but the point is that there shouldn’t be region codes to begin with.

Anywhere I’ve ever seen a region code to be changeable you only get to change it a certain number of times before you get stuck in a region. This is why you’ll find TBD players that have been firmware flashed to be regionless.

Katana314,

The most secure device ever made is a Rock.

You cannot have your bank account stolen from a Rock. People will never get your personal files or medical info from a Rock. People will never spy on you through the Rock.

But you also can’t do much with a Rock.

a_wild_mimic_appears,

I disagree on the premise that a rock cannot be used for much. I mean, the available actions for a rock ARE pretty limited, but it can be used in a variety of ways!

dumblederp,
@dumblederp@aussie.zone avatar

Good in a revolution.

Quexotic,

Uh, we kinda tricked rocks into thinking using lightening and learned to use rocks to make AI…

jaschen,

Basically what Gabe said.

Psythik,

Next time just use a Switch emulator. Sudachi is a good one.

You can even download Fitgirl Repacks of Switch titles that include the emulator already set up and ready to go. Literally just a one click install and you’re playing.

jaschen,

This was before emulators were a thing. It was super early days of modding.

carrion0409,

Fitgirl Repacks my beloved

thermal_shock,

Similar here. Bricked my kids switch, so we modded it. Now we have ALL the games.

JackbyDev,

How’d you mod it after you bricked it?

thermal_shock, (edited )

It won’t access the Nintendo network, can’t use store, etc. not 100% bricked. Sorry

JackbyDev,

Ah okay, thanks. I’m too scared to mess with most hardware so not always up to date on the terminology. My tinkering is exclusively desktop/laptop stuff.

thermal_shock,

It’s 100% worth the mod OR put that money toward a steam deck/Linux handheld. Im actually looking to sell this switch to put towards another steam deck. Sooo many more options and better support, not locked into Nintendo bullshit. Put whatever you want on it (like 95% of games right now, I’ve had very few issues) but did have to learn a bit. Beats the hell out of a locked down ecosystem 100000%.

Lumiluz,

Soooo, just curious but, instead of modding, why didn’t you just set your console region to Japan? That’s what I did. Just seems a lot easier.

jaschen,

I didn’t know you could do that. I’m in Taiwan and I know Steam doesn’t let you make a purchase without a local credit card. So I imagine that’s the case for Japan.

bread, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
@bread@feddit.nl avatar

I’ve been pretty consistently buying Nintendo consoles, but I’m not buying this one. Not just because of this, but I challenge these assholes to brick the device I end up playing their games on.

mrodri89, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

Damn, first they get shady patents and now this. They’re really on a roll for being a pretty unethical company.

Quexotic,

They’re the Disney of gaming, really.

Dariusmiles2123,

So true. And what’s sad is that so many people love these two companies😨

ArchmageAzor, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

At this point I’m surprised Nintendo still allows people to play their games at their own homes, and not exclusively in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms that only exist in like 6 places outside Tokyo and costs $20/hr to rent.

thessnake03,

Don’t give them any ideas

mriswith, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

Wait, it doesn’t appear to be the same within the EU.

Both the French and German EULA seems to say that if you alter a digital product, the digital product might be rendered unusable. Although my French and German is bad, so someone please double check.

taiyang, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

At this point I want Switch 2 to flop so hard they go the way of the Sega and start licensing their IPs on other platforms, giving up on consoles. A shame, too, since their tech is little kid hand friendly and the PC market doesn’t seem keen on tiny screen handhelds.

FlashMobOfOne,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a nice thought, at least.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

i kind of want the steam deck to eat the switch and i really don’t have a dog in the fight

taiyang,

A steam deck lite would probably dominate, lol

TwinTitans,
@TwinTitans@lemmy.world avatar

With the price of software it will be interesting to see how it goes. I think they jumped the gun a bit hard on that one and will have to backpedal.

arakhis_, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

or alternatively communicated: “You will own nothing and you will be happy”

mrfriki, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

Can’t wait for Yuzu 2 to come out.

drmoose,

Apparently Torzo exists already!

Also knowing how butthurt Nintendo is rn it probably means Switch 2 is vulnerable to emulation so not that long probably.

njm1314, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

They’re going to start breaking them as soon as the switch 3 is released I guarantee it.

Also this seems like I don’t know not theft Maybe, but some crime.

Varyk, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

I know it should have been earlier, but that really is the last straw for buying Nintendo products for me.

what a shame.

catloaf, do games w Nintendo reserves the right to brick your console following "unauthorised use", in bid to prevent piracy

I don’t seem how threatening to brick a device is intended to help you sell more of them. Like I was seriously considering buying a Switch 2 even recently, but this is really the nail in the coffin. Why should I pay money for something that could stop working on their whims? Because it’s not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

MelodiousFunk,

Because it’s not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

This is the part that really frustrates me. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the wording here. Account ban? Sure, against TOS, etc. But affecting the device is a whole other story. Especially when prior account bans have come under dubious circumstances.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

youre not the exploitable target audience.

like legit 100% evil intent, cant even argue against that

Yermaw,

The target audience still goes online. Generally Facebook and mumsnet. Wait til it happens to one of them and the stories go round like wildfire.

With that market, especially at big luxury prices like a console, you exist solely on good faith.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

you dont see the whole “children of rich western parents really dont care” audience?

Yermaw,

They won’t give the first shit about piracy policies or anything like that, but they’ll care that MummyD123s DH bought their DD an electric brick that won’t keep them quiet any more.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

why would it brick

Yermaw,

As part of a severe response to unauthorised use

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

same comment of mine here: what nintendo child will do that is my question

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Right, children are known for being well behaved and following the rules…

I remember as a child playing 2 player Tetris on the original Gameboy, which required a cable connecting the two devices. I figured out if I watched my opponent’s height indicator on my screen and saw it drop suddenly I could unplug the cable from my device and not get sent the extra lines. It was a cheat and an exploit that I stumbled upon because I was curious what would happen. That “I wonder what would happen” attitude can now apparently cause Nintendo to purposely brick the device.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

I still dont see how pre teen children would be able to pirate a game xd

CileTheSane,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

You haven’t met a pre teen. You’re also ignoring the problem of false positives.

“It doesn’t matter how strict the punishment is, only criminals will be punished” only works if only criminals are punished. There’s plenty of stories of accounts being banned when no rules were broken.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

thats a good argument at the end

the first paragraph: not so much… I think the opposite of you haha

Zahille7,

Do you not realize what thread you’re commenting in?

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

what nintendo child will do that is my question, the third time.

idk if im missing something or you all repeat the same bit in hopes of something…

Yermaw,

It only takes one, and they’re not going to admit to their mum that they tried taking it apart or installing some dodgy stuff on it. Once word gets out they can be “randomly” bricked they’ll stop selling so well.

There’s also the risk that it’ll actually get randomly triggered.

arakhis_,
@arakhis_@feddit.org avatar

idk I dont see that issue specifically, I see the issue of them choosing the vulnerable customers (families with pre-teen children) over the conscious ones (gaming etusiasts who are less likely to choose nintendo first and if so then better be a diehard cultist)

but a lil kid who cant even control mario in mario kart without the auto drive assists…? idk how this little guy would install or screw open a console xd

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