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loops, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?

The only good games on phone are now emulators and a few Foss games

Always has been.

bang

sleepybisexual,

Nah, angry birds used to be good and supercell stuff was OK before it went down the shitter

DJDarren,

I was ok with the Angry Birds franchise right up until the shitty kart racing game they pumped out. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more wretched collection of bare-faced advertising and micro transactions as that fucking piece of shit.

The game was crammed full of new pop songs, and when one would play the game would display a link to buy it from iTunes. I couldn’t let my kid play it, it was just too egregious.

Haven’t touched any of those games since. Which is a shame, because I really enjoyed the original.

Moonrise2473, (edited )

That kart game was genius programming, give you a few initial levels where it let you think that you’re driving the kart, that you’re winning because of your skills, then start the real routine of “autopilot simulator programmed to lose until you activate the paid power ups”

Edit: and I can’t believe that more than ten years passed from the release of that “game”, I remember I was playing it on my BlackBerry Z10, i can see why many itt are saying “always has been shitty” - just a year before they weren’t shitty. Gameloft released games like “9mm” and “batman the dark knight” that for just one dollar were console like experiences. And beach buggy racing, and riptide.

card797, do gaming w What is your favourite game console?

SNES Aerobiz: Supersonic. Greatest game of my life.

Kolanaki, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?
!deleted6508 avatar

Nowadays

Lol they’ve always sucked.

sleepybisexual,

Nostalgia ain’t what it meant to be

I’m not even 16, why do I feel ancient

TachyonTele,

Take this as a life lesson, and understand that while your view of things changes as you get older, most things generally stay the same.

sleepybisexual,

You sure about that? Lot of stuff went to shit these past 5 years

TachyonTele,

You’re not wrong about that.

sleepybisexual,

Yea :c

Zoop,

I’m not even 16, why do I feel ancient

I don’t know if this will help you, but I think that’s pretty normal. I felt similarly at your age in some ways and in other ways I felt like a baby, depending on how I looked at things. I still feel that way and I’m twice your age! It’s weird. Growing up is weird. I feel for you. 💖

sleepybisexual,

Thank you :3

Zoop,

Of course! :)

GammaGames, do gaming w What is your favourite game console?

If I had to pick all time? 3DS! It has sooo many games with supporting the DS and 3DS library, DSiWare, and of course homebrew.

If I’m picking my current favorite I’ve got to go with the Playdate. It’s portable and has a lot of fun small-scale games.

(yes I like handholds why do you ask)

sleepybisexual,

The 3ds is a damn good system. I just hate the n3ds cstick

GammaGames,

I never had a n3ds! Couldn’t bear parting with my animal crossing poptart edition

popcar2, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?

It’s a two part story:

  1. The mobile market mostly targets kids and boomers and their resistance to microtransactions has been basically non-existent, making the market quickly become predatory and full of spam
  2. Modern app stores have become abysmal, making it impossible for smaller games to see the light of day. 99% of google play is a dumpster fire, and the 1% that is decent isn’t published by a multi-billion dollar company so you’re unlikely to ever see it. There are good games out there, but the way the algorithms and ads work makes them constantly pushed down in the list. This isn’t “a problem” to a company like Google because they’re making bank off of all these ad spaces.

Anyways, most good games are paid, but here’s a list of stuff I’ve enjoyed playing on mobile:

  • Fancy Pants Adventures
  • Bloons TD 6
  • Dicey Dungeons
  • Dead Cells
  • Slay the Spire (but the mobile port is rough on small screens)
  • Knights of Pen and Paper +1
  • The Enchanted Cave 2
  • Let’s Create! Pottery
  • BAIKOH
  • Data Wing

Probably a lot more I forgot. Have at it.

sleepybisexual,

Yea. It was always bad, just got worse. Nowadays j just emulate old games. My main phone game is road rash for gbc

InfiniWheel,

Don’t forget Plants vs Zombies 2. Which despite some micro transactions, definitely held up in its early days. Rather, I’d say it got do either dirty from balancing issues rather than greed.

Minnels,

Add slice & dice. But on itch to get it both on pc and android. It is great.

perishthethought, do gaming w What is your favourite game console?

The challenge with this question is that not everyone has played in every console, so like, for me, I can only comment on the Atari 2600, the Wii and the XBOX 360.

From that small sample, the wii wins hands down. I loved the motion controllers a lot.

sleepybisexual,

Never played Wii but it always looked cool to me :3

perishthethought,

I think because it was so different from what came right before it: Gamecube, PS3, Xbox.

Waving that Wiimote around was a blast for everyone, gamers and non-gamers alike. Tons of hours of play in this Sports Resort, for instance.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWo6zYZx2rM

I get what @berttheduck said about long games / serious gamers but can you imagine your grandma trying to play most Switch or PS5 or other new console games now?

Berttheduck,

The Wii brought gaming to the general public in a way nothing else had. Like most modern Nintendo consoles it was under powered and gimmicky but the gimmick worked so well for people new to gaming, point at the TV or wiggle the controller as you would to do the thing in real life was a huge step to making an abstract concept make sense to people. For longer gaming sessions or more “serious” games the Wii controls were generally lacking but damn if Wii sports wasn’t good fun.

maniel, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?
@maniel@lemmy.ml avatar

Sadly because it works, mobile gaming is bigger money-wise than PC and consoles combined, all because people are susceptible to short term dopamine hit your can buy any time, it’s a part of what we call enshittification, making the product less user friendly and make more money, shareholders are happy, your don’t have to

sleepybisexual,

Capitalism ruins everything

Kolanaki, do gaming w Maybe hot take: as a handheld, the regular switch is an awful handheld
!deleted6508 avatar

It’s meant for children so, yeah, as an adult it fucking sucks to hold. But that is still the case when it’s docked and you’re using the joycons. The joycons are just incredibly small. They also suck in terms of construction and get drifting sticks super fast.

sleepybisexual,

Yea. But also, I have pretty normal hands, joycon are somehow too long for me.

Glide, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?

Weird take, imo. Mobile games are probably the best they’ve ever been. They were traditionally a place for rampant p2w garbage gacha machines, and while those are still there, the platform has actual decent games nowadays. Real PC games are being ported to mobile and the platform is being taken seriously. Even in the world of micro transactions and gacha games, there are far more that are actually decent as games then there ever has been.

I’ve been playing Monster Hunter Now and I’ve been really impressed with it. The entirety of the Riot games are good games with reasonable microtransactions. Vampire Survivors, my go-to “I am offline” game, is the exact same game on mobile as PC, save the fact that it’s free and you have a choice to watch ads for marginal farming speedups (which can be disabled if you buy literally any of their ~$1.50 DLC expansions, which are hilariously large considering their price). Fucking Warframe is coming to/already on (?) mobile.

I genuinely can’t say mobile games have ever been in a better place than today, despite the existence of the shovelware P2W games that continue to roll out.

averyminya,

I’ll side with OP from a slightly different perspective here, because you’re not wrong but neither is OP. First and foremost I think the word missing here is innovation – mobile games in their very initial start were exactly what you are describing, but mobile games that OP are talking about took some time to find freedom to innovate. The very first mobile games, almost all of them, were PC ports. Solitare, poker, mahjong, snake, tetris… These were all games that had existed for years and were just now put into a 160x128 res screen and played with a circular slider (first iPod), or whatever the specs of the Blackberry was back then. Few unique games were created for these devices.

By late 2009 the iPod Touch 3g had released. It was this and the following few years where OP is talking about, where not only were old games like Spy Hunter being remade, and funnily enough, I’m pretty sure Rockstar also released a few GTA’s on this device. But there were also entirely new games like Doodle Jump, Canabalt, and to a lesser extent Pocket God. (Well, relatively new and unique, at least.) These of course paved the way for Temple Run and honestly I had so many amazing mobile games back then that remembering them all would be a trip down memory lane far too long for today.

Anyway, my point and I’m assuming OP’s point is that it’s harder to find truly unique and “new” experiences in the mobile game world. The idea of Talking Tom when he first came out was something truly unlike anything else available. Not that it was particularly good, or that being unique makes it good, but rather there were more games willing to take a risk on being different.

And yes, of course back then there were plenty of shovelware games trying to pine off another apps success. I think it’s simply a difference of mindset, for the good games that are available today generally seem to follow the same principles – a good game comes first, and if you accomplish that the expenses pay themselves. For your examples, the only games that didn’t already exist were semi-MH Now (Pokemon Go/Ingress, but I agree they are unique and fun) and the Riot mobile games. I agree that the other games you mentioned are good as well, I’d even include the fact that there are other full PC/console games like Monster Hunter Stories 1 and 2, Final Fantasy, and plenty of others.

But none of these were made specifically with the attributes of mobile gaming in mind. Where are the disjointed IRL vs. on screen games like Panoptic! There’s so much potential for mobile phone games of really wild and unique stuff, but it’s easier to make money by iterating and porting existing things to the platform.

I found a little list that was fun:

  • Jetpack Joyride,
  • Plants vs Zombies
  • Real Steel World Robot Boxing,
  • Real Steel HD,
  • Pacific Rim,
  • Ultimate Robot Fighting,
  • Cut the Rope
  • Fruit Ninja
  • Flappy Bird,
  • Where’s My Water?,
  • Crossy Road,
  • Asphalt 8,
  • Call of Mini Zombies, Call of Mini Infinity,
  • Clash of Clans Real Steel Champions,
  • Transformers Battle Masters,
  • Geometry Dash,
  • Minecraft Pocket Edition,
  • Hungry Shark Evolution,
  • LEGO Hero Factory Invasion from Below, LEGO Hero Factory Brain Attack,
  • Beach Buggy Racing.
  • Hovercraft Takedown,
  • Table Top Racing,
  • Smash Hit,
  • Riptide GP, Riptide GP Renegade,
  • Mechanic Escape,
  • Robo5,
  • BombSquad.
  • Draw a Stickman Epic Free,
  • Zombie Tsunami,
  • Badland,
  • Hill Climb Racing 1,
  • My Singing Monsters,
  • Despicable Me Minion Rush,
  • Bad Piggies HD,
  • Star Warfare Alien Invasion. Star Warfare Payback,
  • Pixel Gun 3D,
  • Block City Wars,
  • Pac-Man 256,
  • The Impossible Game,
  • Gravity Guy.
  • Laser Air Hockey
  • That one game where you’re a 2D spider-man swinging
callouscomic, do gaming w Maybe hot take: as a handheld, the regular switch is an awful handheld

Everything Nintendo sucks.

card797, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?

They always sucked.

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

I don’t know man, I had my fair share of fun with a pair of Nyan Cat games, the original Plants Vs Zombies, Nimble Quest (I just got this again on Android and cracked the heck out of it with Lucky patcher, and still suck lol), Tiny Wings, Angry Birds and I could be missing some others.

Hathaway,

Infinity blade

kratoz29,
@kratoz29@lemm.ee avatar

Oh yeah, I fired up my old iPhone 6s to play the Infinity Blade II, no regrets!

Wahots,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Galaxy On Fire 2 was great, but Elite Dangerous on PC later kicked the absolute crap out of it.

teawrecks,

These were originally the exception, but all eventually followed the rule.

kd45,

No they didn’t. I have a 1st gen iPad loaded with old versions of popular games (e.g. Jetpack Joyride, Angry Birds) and there are literally zero ads and in-app purchases.

Omniraptor,

I’m fairly sure those were paid tho

kd45,

True, but I would rather buy a dozen quality $0.99 games with high replay value (still fun 13+ years later) than several dozen “””free””” ad-filled games that constantly bug you for a $3.99/week subscription to get more BullshitCoins

Omniraptor,

I mean the high quality paid games are still around, and I’m reasonably sure new ones are still being made. They’re not a lost art, just not as popular as free games

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They’re making the same argument people make about music. There’s plenty of good music out there of all genres. Radio just doesn’t play it and you have to go out of your way to find what you like.

Omniraptor,

That’s just the wages of living in a huge postmodernist society that produces a vast amount of media. We no longer have centralized institutions (or rather they’re losing relative importance) so you have to go looking through the depths of either recommendation algorithms or topical forums

Riven,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I find that to be a good thing. The less centralized institutions that can control what we do the better. I say that while social media is the biggest it’s ever been.

Kichae, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?

Money

bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

Has it ever been better?

What happened was that they made a fuckton of money that way.

Ports of older PC games are also often quite good.

popcar2,

Has it ever been better?

Actually, yes, by a big margin. Back in ~2011 mobile games were actually trying to be great. Games like Edge Extended, World of Goo, Bounce Boing Voyage, Zenonia 2 & 3, etc.

I remember early Humble Bundles being full of exciting games for mobile, now you’ll be lucky to find just one of them that isn’t filled to the brim with MTX or ads.

erwan,

Survival of the fittest. As is, the type of game that makes the more money.

DJDarren,

I remember buying Bioshock on my iPhone way back in the mists of time, before decent controller support existed for iOS. The on screen controls weren’t great, so I didn’t spend much time playing it, always planning to come back at some point.

Then it got removed from the App Store so completely that it disappeared from my purchased list, and that was that.

Dudewitbow,

i mean its not like you cant go onto the mobile store and buy games like stardew valley or terraria. its just that pay to play games have taken a back seat due to the profitability of free to play games.

v4ld1z, do gaming w Why do mobile games suck nowadays?
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Enshittification, the rise of micro transactions in mobile games over actual in-game mechanics that make the game interesting etc

sleepybisexual,

Trust capitalism to ruin everything

Daxtron2, do gaming w Maybe hot take: as a handheld, the regular switch is an awful handheld

It basically needs more ergonomic joycons to be usable for more than an hour in handheld mode for me. I’ve got a pair of hori split pad pros that work really well, but you lose the gyro which kind of sucks for aiming in games like zelda

sleepybisexual,

Yea. Joycons had no right being so bad, uncomfy sticks+ being comically flat = sad

Aussiemandeus,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

I can stand the gyro on the zelda games or any game.

Daxtron2,

Its a good thing you can turn it off then. I always found it made aiming the bow a lot easier

Aussiemandeus,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah first thing I did

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