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Flamekebab, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work
@Flamekebab@piefed.social avatar

If we reword the question as "Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to be a mediocre experience?" then my money would be on "yes". Bethesda generally seem to aim to make games just as good as they need to be to make money. Capitalism over creative expression.

If the game is good enough to get people to buy it and consider buying the next one, that's all the effort it's worth putting in (as far as publishers are concerned). It's not a new approach, they've just had a lot more practice at it than game developers/publishers had in the '90s.

Temper your expectations as unless you're willing to buy a few million copies yourself, they can't justify the cost of caring what you think.

...and no, I do not approve of this system one jot. It's gross and antithetical to creativity. I'm glad we have a lot more independent developers who aren't as beholden to neoliberal capitalism these days.

bionicjoey, do games w Any good games that break the mold

If you like Obra Dinn, you’ll love Outer Wilds

Kecessa, do games w Any good games that break the mold

The Case of the Golden Idol, can’t believe no one mentioned that…

deluxeparrot,

It uses the same puzzle solving mechanic as Return of the Obra Dinn in diorama style scenes.

Fantastic game.

ampersandrew, (edited ) do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Even if they spend $300M making it, they’ll likely still make their money back, even in a world where Game Pass exists. I think their tech stack is so ancient that it ought to be thrown straight in the garbage, and they’ll get more mileage out of an Elder Scrolls game that’s forked from what Obsidian built in Unreal for Avowed. It also sure sounds like, much like studios like Arkane, Rocksteady, and BioWare, they were so high on their previous successes that they couldn’t admit to themselves that any decision they made was a bad one. If they can learn from their mistakes and take the L on Starfield (an L that would be considered a W for most other developers), then Elder Scrolls can potentially meet fans’ expectations. If they keep making games the way they’ve always made them without trying to adapt to the times, they’ll follow the same path as Fallout 4 and Starfield.

Tellore, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work

Then, you look at what most people are playing right now, and it’s Skyrim.

As a side note, Morrowind is also quite big still. /r/Morrowind has 178k members and is very active. Project Tamriel Rebuilt regularly getting updates. OpenMW getting more popular.

Woodstock, do games w Is Elder Scrolls 6 doomed to fail? I can't see how it will work

I’m hopeful but cautious.

For me the big issue with Starfield was the obsession with massive maps/worlds etc that were either empty or filled with junk. The travel system and loading screens also made the game as a whole completely disjointed.

The only reason I’m hopeful is the continuous map as opposed to content being spread way too thin on thousands of planets. If they get the content more dense then hopefully it’ll be at least half decent.

I’m totally with you on Bethesda / Microsoft trying to get the most money out of the least effort and that’s my biggest reason I’m not getting hyped for it. The goal for them is currently the most cash rather than making the best game possible. Annoyingly this has infected pretty much all big game studios these days. Ironically, that approach is better for the short term but horrendous for the long term outlook.

I’ll be sticking to the golden rule though: NO PREORDERS!

themoonisacheese, do games w Any good games that break the mold
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

I heard good word about Paradise Killer, in which you’re also a detective and must figure out the truth

The outer wilds is amazing. You should play it.

B0NK3RS, do games w Any good games that break the mold
@B0NK3RS@lemmy.world avatar

The Long Dark

Survival game set in the cold Canadian wilderness. Most “survival” games are actually just boring crafting games but TLD is very different for me as it is mostly about exploring in the freezing cold with natural predators around to keep you on edge.

Eyck_of_denesle, do games w Any good games that break the mold

I love Sam and Max

smeg, do games w What's your favorite controller?

N64 controller. Obviously it wasn’t exactly great to use, but its completely unique look is so iconic and that makes it my fave.

potentiallynotfelix,

I grew up with a Wii, and never held an n64 controller, so I always will wonder: How do you hold those? Do you hold it like a regular controller and then reach your thumb out to the joystick in the middle, or do you hold the middle grip and then one of the other outer ones, and have to reach as well? Is it subjective?

dwindling7373,

So, there’s more than one answer. When it came out the idea was, and it’s debatable how much Nintendo used this concept as a marketing tool or with a design in their head, tha the controller allowed flexibility. For different games, different sections or different preferences, you could hold the two outer handles, and get a basic SNES type thing, or you could hold the mid and either one of the sides.

I feel part of it was a bit of mistrust, maybe from some early testing or internal, about the accuracy or the familiarity of users with the joystick, the design allows people to opt into it or go for the tradizional buttons.

I recall some weird stuff was supposed to be meant for the full left side combo, so directional buttons + analog stick. That was a bit of a far reach…

So beside all the intentions, 99% of the games were played with your left hand on the middle handle and the right hand on the righ handle. Consider there’s a very comfy trigger button below the middle handle that is mirrored or mirrors the left shoulder button.

loo, do games w Any good games that break the mold
@loo@lemmy.world avatar

Not a puzzle game, but Noita throws you right in without any explanation or tutorial. Everything is trial and error to the point where people complain that you can’t figure things out without the wiki. Love the game though, one of the most unique games I know.

The Souls games never really held your hand either.

Hollow Knight, The Binding of Isaac and Elite Dangerous are other games I can think of that want you to figure things out.

leaky_shower_thought, do games w Any good games that break the mold

chronoark lets you die and counts your deaths for you.

anything agatha christie/ hercule poirot is light detective work (good for kids and or newbies) with optional handholding

i remember there’s some good mystery modules with neverwinter nights

morrowind quests don’t coddle at all. they all look like journal entries.

RangerJosie, do games w What's your favorite controller?
@RangerJosie@lemmy.world avatar

PS2. Before all the unnecessary extra expense got added in.

frazorth,

I’m not sure what you are referring to here. The Dual Shock 2 was the standard PS2 controller throughout its lifetime.

Do you mean the OG PlayStation, which had the standard controller, then the dual analogue stick, and finally the Dual Shock with the two analogue sticks plus rumble?

I liked the analogue sticks, loved Katamari. Rumble didn’t add enough.

RangerJosie,
@RangerJosie@lemmy.world avatar

I like the sticks and rumble. By extra stuff I meant like haptic triggers and stuff like that in the newest controllers.

The old standard Playstation controller. With sticks and rumble.

I own a Series S. And I’ve been looking for a PS pattern Xbox controller forever. But I’ve never found one.

frazorth,

Oh gotcha. You mean before it went Dual Shock 3? Sorry I thought you were referring to the multiple iterations the PS1 had.

Advantage over Dual Shock 2 was that it was wireless, and I do appreciate that, but I completely agree that PlayStation layout is great.

I do like the Dual Shock 4 when on the computer, as the little touchpad on the front helps with SteamOS when dealing with shitty interfaces for 3rd Party Launchers that demand a mouse and keyboard.

If I didn’t encounter them occasionally then Dual Shock 3 all the way as I dont normally need any of the other “features”.

frazorth,

Does the Series S support USB controllers? Could you not use one of those knock off USB PS controllers?

pruwybn, (edited ) do games w Any good games that break the mold
@pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It’s hard to beat Obra Dinn, but The Witness is another of my favorite puzzle games.

Edit: “hard to beat” meaning it’s a good game, not that it’s difficult (although it is in fact pretty difficult).

DarkThoughts, do gaming w I typically avoid online games but this is why I'm fine with it in Elden Ring

The main purpose of the online feature is so that other people can invade your games to gank you. For me that's the epitome of games to avoid.

ShinkanTrain,

I think people straight up can’t invade you in ER if you aren’t either doing multiplayer or used the “I want invaders” item.

entropicdrift,
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Yeah, no. The main point of the multi-player is to get help from allies. It’s only if you get that help that anyone can invade your game in Elden Ring

Sas,

Literally not, how Elden Ring multiplayer works.

  1. You can’t invade solo host unless they specifically use an item for it
  2. If you are coop you open yourself up for invasions and since a session has a 4 player limit you’re always either in the majority (aka ganking) or on even grounds if you decide to only summon 1 friend and let the invader live long enough for another to show up. If you invade you are pretty much always going to be in a 1v3 situation.
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