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NightAuthor, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

Baldurs gate has almost no tutorial for non-gamers, there is SO much assumed you know.

PenguinTD,

There are actually plenty tutorials, but because of the open exploring aspect, players aren’t visiting those tutorial spots that the dev anticipated. They nudge you a bit using the enemy levels, but it should have covered more during the prologue.

EvaUnit02,
@EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

I politely disagree. Baldur's Gate III teaches you absolutely nothing about its rules and systems. You are expected to discover the rules and systems on your own. Things like crowd control, the actual numerical advantages of height, and repositioning while in dialog are never explained.

It is the most frustrating aspect of Larian games, imo.

TheRoarer,

The EA tutorial was longer and MUCH more explicit. I was very surprised they truncated it.

bermuda,

repositioning while in dialog are never explained.

I’m a few hours in and I don’t know what you mean? Do you mean being able to switch to a different character in a dialog? If so I’d love to know how to do that. I hate starting dialogue where I need charisma with my low charisma character

EvaUnit02,
@EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

Well, no. I mean using other characters while one is in a conversation. During conversations, there are some buttons in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen. One of those will allow you to swap to another character. You will then be able to do whatever you wish with those characters while the original character is in their conversation.

If you wish to use a different character for a conversation, you can simply start the conversation with the given character.

hyorvenn,
@hyorvenn@jlai.lu avatar

Baldur’S gate tutorial was the manual. Unless you talked about the third one

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@kbin.social avatar

At least in the enhanced edition of the first game, there is a tutorial.

NightAuthor,

I was practically a toddler when the others came out, I’m speaking of the one released less than a month ago.

CrateDane,

Baldur’s Gate 1 actually did have a tutorial in Candlekeep. Including temporarily giving you a full party to battle some critters in a basement.

miracleorange,

Literally all of Candlekeep is a tutorial with the quests and the guys in green robes everywhere. It’s kinda great, actually. Allowed you to skip it if you wanted, but there if you need it.

misserror,

I’ve found that bg3 is pretty bad at telling the player things. Such as why you have a advantage or disadvantage on attacks. Another example is I had to search on the internet to figure out what concentration saves against. I know now that I can hover over things in the combat log to see the rolls. But you wouldn’t really know that unless you have played rpg’s like dnd before. It should tell you in a tooltip for concentration.

Blizzard, do gaming w RDR1 - Where to play best? Switch, PS4...or Steam Deck?

PS4/PS5 review by Digital Foundry

TL;DR:

  • Runs at Native 4K on PS4 Pro/PS5, using FSR2 only as Antialiasing (no upscale), also has an FXAA option.
  • Higher shadow detail that looks somewhat worse because it looks too sharp, but this is a personal preference.
  • UI elements are still 720p.
  • Flawless 30FPS cap, no 60FPS performance option

I won’t be playing it myself until it’s 60FPS on PS5.

Blizzard,

Also: versus.com/…/sony-playstation-4-vs-valve-steam-de… (assuming you’ve got regular PS4, not Pro)

Definitely Switch is the worst option.

iturnedintoanewt,
@iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee avatar

Thanks for this detailed description! I might take advantage of the PS4’s slightly better graphics for now…if I can find the PKG.

ramble81,

So basically they just did an “upscale” remaster of the original, rather than using the assets and engine from RDR2? (Which is annoying because pretty much all of New Austin was built out)

Blizzard,
TheHalc,

The development cost for building it out in the new engine would probably be an order of magnitude higher than the simple upscale.

If they thought they’d get an order of magnitude more sales from doing things that way, they’d have done it that way.

I’m with you, though. I’d love a proper remaster that also came as a native PC edition.

supersonicstork, (edited ) do gaming w I don't want to "Press any key to continue" to the main menu
@supersonicstork@beehaw.org avatar

I got curious myself and agreed, so I went looking.

A lot of sources specified that it was part of a technical requirements checklist, and…

Yeap. It doesn’t explicitly require a “press any key” screen, but it gives a more pleasant screen to look at while you select a user. People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

If you add a feature like this to a game, it becomes harder to maintain if there are discrepancies between builds. So presumably it’s usually just left in rather than removed.

Durotar,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

People online also say it’s used to detect which controller is in use.

I don’t get it. Any modern game can detect when you connect or disconnect a controller on the fly, in the actual game.

Oka,

Yet they are not built in features to game engines such as Unity and Unreal

Dangdoggo,

Unity's new input package does exactly this.

Thassodar,

Keyword: new. From now on people can do it, but prior to now it wasn’t possible from what they’re saying.

Dangdoggo,

The New Input Package is actually just what Unity users call it because it isn't the original and requires a package manager install from the stock LTR releases but it's been out for a few years now. Still, you're right, although I see no reason not to adopt it, most games that are using it will probably be releasing this year.

snowbell,
@snowbell@beehaw.org avatar

Some games use it to determine who is player one vs player two. i.e. whoever presses the button first is treated as player 1.

Carter,

I remember a lot of games assigning the “press any button” controller has player 1 back in the day.

Restaldt, do games w I accidentally bought a game while my VPN was on

Its already too late.

Every relevant law enforcement and investigation agency from the fbi to interpol have been notified

HawlSera,

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I DON’T WANT TO GO TO JAIL!

hogart,
@hogart@feddit.nu avatar

Texting from the inside. See you soon. I’ll get you a burner from Buba.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

It’s been 3h. I think they nabbed 'em

CmdrShepard,

This is your local sherif, and I demand $10000 paid in ITunes gift cards or else we will issue a warrant for your arrest.

HawlSera,

Oh fuck!

MystikIncarnate, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th

After years of hearing so much about the games, I loaded up pokemon on my retro handheld.

Started with Ruby for no reason in particular.

I’m splitting my time between that and D4.

I also have the following games on the back burner at various stages of completion:

Deep rock Galactic LoZ: LTTP Last of Us Part1 on PC Tiny Tina’s wonderlands

There’s more, I’m just too tired to go look at my “recent” queue in steam…

Any suggestions for games that I should play on my retro handheld, it supports everything from neogeo up to ps1… More or less.

vulkanik, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th
@vulkanik@sopuli.xyz avatar

Trying to learn Dark Souls 3. 20 hours in and finally getting used to the controls. Beat the second boss with 2 deaths so feeling a tiny bit less despair for now.

chloyster, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 20th

Well for me it is actually Baldurs Gate 3! I just beat Jedi survivor last night and now have moved on to the zeitgeist that is this game

theangriestbird,

Do you usually try to play games that are new and part of The Discourse? I’m more of a patient gamer, so the mindset of chasing the latest game is a little foreign to me.

chloyster,

Nah not really. I just pick up what sounds fun to me mostly. That often is new games but I try and finish ones I have going before picking up a new one

tlit341569, do piracy w Is it wrong to pirate movies I've purchased digitally and load onto my Plex server?

nothing is wrong with piracy

Limeaide, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?

I don’t have an exact answer, but there are a lot of games that you need the wiki up on your second monitor for. Their tutorials teach you the basic controls, but nothing about what you’re supposed to do or anything like that.

I feel it’s kinda lazy on the developer’s side and leave it to the community to do their job. You see a 5-10 min video on youtube explaining everything, yet the developer couldn’t do that?

falsem,

Having your tutorial be a 10 minute video would be a bad tutorial

Limeaide,

I get what you’re saying but there are ways to implement it in the gameplay with prompts, descriptions and dialogue.

I love a lot of the games I’m criticizing, but sometimes they go too far. I’ll pick up the fart machine 3000 and the description will just say “Butt Fart Pfffft Toot Toot” and I’m just kinda left like wtf and i have to close the game and go into the wiki to see what the hell i just picked up and if its worth the inventory space

CharlesReed,

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines tutorial was a good 30 minutes for me the first time I played it. Luckily they give you an option to skip it in subsequent playthroughs, but it covers pretty much everything you need to know for gameplay imo.

falsem,

Yes, but that's interactive. I don't have an issue with longer interactive tutorials, more "sit here and watch a video" style.

CorrodedCranium,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

That’s how I feel about most farming sim games like Harvest Moon and Stardew Valley

milo_bytes,
@milo_bytes@pawb.social avatar

Stardew Valley technically does give you a lot of the wiki information through the books and by talking to the NPCs, it’s just a whole lot easier and less time consuming to use the wiki

TheOakTree, do gaming w Doing things in games because it simple felt good.

By the time I started playing Forza Horizon 5, I had already completed a vast majority of the content in FH4. Once I started FH5 I found myself doing a lot less missions/races and instead just hopping in a pretty sounding or nicely handling or gorgeous looking car and seeing if I can drift some corner or launch myself off a ramp and land on a piece of road.

It just feels good.

PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S, do piracy w Is it wrong to pirate movies I've purchased digitally and load onto my Plex server?

Is it wrong to pirate {anything}

No.

yote_zip, do piracy w Is it wrong to pirate movies I've purchased digitally and load onto my Plex server?
@yote_zip@pawb.social avatar

It’s completely down to your opinion. Legally I would guess that you’re not allowed to do it, but nowadays we live in a hellscape where we own nothing so I wouldn’t base your moral compass off of the rules that corporations set. Personally if I’ve already bought it somewhere it is mine. They’re lucky I even purchased one copy, they’re not getting anything else from me.

TerabyteRex, do gaming w The Steam Deck is changing how normies think of gaming PCs.

did you say.. normies?

NightAuthor,

I mean, what’s another way of easily conveying the same idea. “Those people who you might not typically consider to be X”?

I feel like I’ve seen and heard normies used in a variety of contexts, to refer to people outside of a particular group. Not to say they can’t be in the group, or that there’s anything wrong with them.

But then again, what do I know.

Jagermo, (edited )

“casual gamers” for example. “average users”, “non-geeks” are others

t3rmit3,

You’d have to say all 3 of those, and then you’d still be missing a ton of the other groups that also fall under “normies”, even in just this specific instance. “Non-hardcore gamers” would work in this context, but the whole point is to have jargon for it as a concept (“someone who is not a member of your specialized in-group”), rather than saying the specific in-group being discussed each time. “Non-Supernatural fandom-nerds”, “non-/a/ lurkers”, “non-r/SocialistRA lurkers”… or just “normies”.

Jagermo,
t3rmit3,

Welcome to the internet, I guess?

FileNotFound, do piracy w Media server

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This one is $164.50 with the coupon code HOTDEAL3070

Or here are some other deals on 3070s.

There are even some 3050s for as low as $55 with the coupon code HOTDEAL3050

A Raspberry Pi will not be good enough for streaming and the wireless adapter on it is pretty terrible. I tried using a Raspberry Pi and it was literally unusable for me so I bought a cheap Optiplex. I’ve been using a 3060 and it’s been great so far.

BentiGorlich, do gaming w What's a good game you played with an awful tutorial?
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

All Paradox Interactive games ever created 😂
The worst I had was Hearts Of Iron IV. I played a 2h tutorial only to not understand a single thing the real game threw at me afterwards...

EvaUnit02,
@EvaUnit02@kbin.social avatar

I adore those games, and while I think they've made great strides with CKIII and Vicky 3, I agree that the tutorials are severely lacking.

Uncle_Bagel,

You gotta just start with an easy country. The CK2 community used to call Ireland “Tutorial Island” since it was low key and a good place to learn the mechanics, same with Spain in EU, or Belgium in Vicky.

VentraSqwal,

About what Hearts of Iron? I tried that game once (3 or 4, don’t remember) and basically gave up when the tutorial ended and I still had no idea how to do anything.

BentiGorlich,
@BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

Don't get me wrong, I love most of them, but the learning curve is very steep and the tutorials in most of their games just suck...

alchemy88,
@alchemy88@lemmy.team avatar

This I agree with. Stellaris is very confusing starting out and such a huge learning curve the tutorial just doesn’t cover.

Rinnarrae, (edited )
@Rinnarrae@beehaw.org avatar

It’s not nearly as complex as it initially looks imo, but I also play with a million mods some of which make the game needlessly complicated so maybe the vanilla game just looks simple in comparison to me now lol

CrateDane,

Stellaris is far from the worst offender, and yet you’re still entirely right.

soulsource,
@soulsource@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Also, the tutorial has suffered bitrot quite a lot. The game has seen many significant changes since release, but the tuturial was only partially updated to reflect them.

alchemy88,
@alchemy88@lemmy.team avatar

Yeah I think this is a big one for me.

I come back after a major patch or every 6 months and its all changed again! Which is good as it keeps it fresh, but the tutorial is very lacking on the changes.

AdellcomdoisL,

Some Paradox games literally teach you how to play wrong, CKII being an example IIRC

sapo,
@sapo@beehaw.org avatar

Thank god that’s changing tho. CK3 and (though to a lesser extent) Vicky 3 both have relatively decent tutorials.

Helldiver_M,

The imbeded tooltips are a real godsend. I have no idea how I would wrap my head around Vicky 3 otherwise. The tutorial is still worthless tho.

Plibbert,

I still don’t know how to play hearts of iron IV. I’d love to learn but I’m a trial by fire learner. It’s really hard for me to make it through a 2hr YouTube tutorial with monotonous robot voices.

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