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scala, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

Anyone have an invite for Deadlock?

polysics, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?

Tokyo Xtreme Racer

And thankfully, they just released a teaser for a new one so I guess my wish is going to be granted!

fhqwgads, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

Ok, I’m a bit out of the loop but is Deadlock actually any good? Like, most of what I’ve heard is that it just isn’t very fun. Even though they kinda fell apart the auto battler and the card game from Valve were generally fairly well received from what I remember. But everything I’ve heard about Deadlock is that it’s not fun, and is bringing the worst elements of DOTA with it.

Maybe since it’s barely even a thing yet, it might wildly change since that’s part of the Valve MO.

LaserTurboShark69,

It’s big and complicated and smooth but ultimately nothing special

VoterFrog,

The thing is I don’t think it has anything to offer to bring in people from outside the genre. Some people really enjoy it but you kinda have to already be into that kind of thing (DOTA).

Kolanaki, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?
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Intelligent Qube

Not a series, but I’d like another.

PonyOfWar, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 25th

I’ve been playing the new Guild Wars 2 expansion “Janthir Wilds”. Very enjoyable, with a nice setting and soundtrack.

I’ve bought Spin Rhythm XD on the recent Steam Sale. Quite a nice rhythm game, with excellent native Steam Deck support.

I’ve also been giving Deadlock a go. So far hasn’t really clicked for me though. Doesn’t help that I’m not a big MOBA player, the only one I’ve enjoyed so far is Heroes of the Storm.

Durandal, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?
@Durandal@lemmy.today avatar

Legend of Zelda following Twilight Princess.

TimeSplitters following future perfect.

XIII following… the ending of XIII cliffhanger.

Half Life following HL2 E2 cliffhanger… or L4D3… or Portal 3…

Overwatch following Jeff Kaplan

Cave Story following Cave Story 1

sjmulder, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?

Okami! Please, more!

tilefan, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of August 25th

I’ve been playing a lot of Space Invaders lately

ampersandrew, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

As written, this is a tough one to answer. I’m well served in most genres bar a few, and I probably wouldn’t want to see new entries from the people who made the old ones. For instance, I miss stealth games and Splinter Cell, but I wouldn’t want Ubisoft to make it. I would love to see a new Metal Arms, but Blizzard (and now also Microsoft) owns that one. I miss racing games like Burnout and F-Zero, but I wouldn’t trust EA or Nintendo to make a successor that makes me happy. So really, I think I want new stuff that’s more of a spiritual successor type of deal.

Coelacanth,
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I’ve been wanting a new, proper Splinter Cell for years. Michael Ironside is cancer free now and still alive for a couple more years (hopefully). I dream of Sam Fischer getting a final send-off with the correct voice actor. “One final job” with him old and grey. But yeah, Ubisoft wouldn’t make it right, sadly.

NeryK, (edited ) do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?
@NeryK@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nostalgia drive engaged !

The Crusader series (No Remorse, No Regret) could have been built upon, with its famously cheesy live-action cutscenes.

The Quarantine series disappeared after its second installment, Road Warrior. Come to think of it, most mainstream vehicular combat games went away, like the Interstate series.

The Discworld adventure games (1, 2, Noir) were famously convoluted, but they did a pretty good job of adapting Pratchett’s world into video games.

Finally I would have liked to play the initially planned sequels to Advent Rising. I have (probably rose-tinted) fond memories of that game, but hey, you asked.

solsangraal, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

we’re getting old dude

the kids who are the age we were in the half life glory days–they don’t want single player. they want league of apex legends fortnitewatchstrike

single player games won’t go away completely, but they’re definitely taking a backseat to whatever the rage is with the kids. currently mobas. just google “most played video games” if you’re not depressed enough already

Carighan,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

“Single player games have taken a backseat”. Okay. We’re just going to state that as a truth? And also just stating kids as being the main video games audience still?

I mean if single player games have taken such a backseat, why are big companies pouring so much money into games such as Horizon, Dragon Age, Assassin’s Creed, Anno or Dark Souls? Why are indie games, thousands and tens of thousands of them, so overwhelmingly single player? Why is Zelda still not a MOBA? Just does not really hold water as an argument IMO. If anything it seems the opposite is happening and after the height of MOBAs in ˜2015, the market is slowly creeping back.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

“Single player games have taken a backseat”. Okay. We’re just going to state that as a truth?

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

And also just stating kids as being the main video games audience still?

They spend more money. Probably because it’s not theirs.

MolochAlter,

Both of your points are only partially correct.

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

Wrong, they just take less effort and have a more constant revenue stream.

Potential for profit means nothing, when so many attempts at milkable forever games end up like Suicide Squad or Concord.

Also you can come into them half baked and pull the plug if the game doesn’t sell (because it’s half baked) like they’re doing with SS and they did with the Avengers game.

They spend more money.

They don’t, you can’t spend money you don’t have, whales are working adults.

Kids spend money for less. Better ROI, not higher payoff.

You make the 18302nd skin and troves of kids will badger their parents for fortnite bucks so they can buy it but not everyone will. The upside is that making a skin costs you single digits percent points of the profits, so even if one or two are a dud, you’re fine, the good ones will make up for it.

It’s a business model you can throw money at once the game’s got an audience base, which is very attractive to companies, because it’s uncomplicated and reliable.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

There’s plenty of room to monetize single player games when it’s add-in content to games that you continually replay as opposed to add-on content for something that’s story driven. More systemic games like Civilization, roguelikes, simulators, etc.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Not nearly as much. Look at games like Rocket League that are many years old but still selling new skins every month.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

When your game isn’t live service multiplayer, your incentives change to putting out more sequels rather than iterating on the same game. So your revenue per game goes down, but there’s no reason it can’t necessarily be as lucrative overall.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

They make way more money selling skins for years and years than any DLC ever will. This is clear as day. Not sure where the confusion is.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not confusion. Your perspective is survivorship bias. For every Rocket League, there are 10 Concords. That’s why the entire industry is imploding right now. Everyone thinks their game will be Fortnite, but only so many games can be Fortnite, and a lot of that even comes down to luck, so you’ve got games like Avengers and Suicide Squad losing hundreds of millions of dollars each instead of making games for half or a quarter of their budgets that would have recouped their costs and then some.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

And the Rocket League is worth 20 Concords.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Well then I guess your recommendation would be to keep trying to be Rocket League, even though statistically you’re going to leave a crater in the ground formed by hundreds of millions of dollars and the better part of a decade of work? Keep in mind there are single player games that make more money than Rocket League too, if we’re going to cherry pick.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

My point is it pays off in the long run.

ampersandrew,
@ampersandrew@lemmy.world avatar

Given the unfathomable number of layoffs we’ve seen the past two years, I think that’s a difficult argument to make.

helenslunch,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Given that those layoffs exist outside of the gaming industry, I don’t think that’s a valid argument.

chonglibloodsport,

I think we can state as a truth that they have less potential profit.

That’s true but it’s not because people aren’t playing single player games. The reason single player games are less profitable is because the non-subscription, non-microtransaction single player market is extremely saturated with indie games. That makes it very hard to sell AAA single player games. The standards are extremely high and the opportunities for extra monetization are not there.

I have been a single player gamer for most of my life, yet I haven’t bought a AAA single player game in decades. I have more indie single player games to play than I know what to do with, and frankly they appeal to me more than AAA titles. Expensive graphics and voice acting don’t have much draw for me these days. I am much more interested in roguelikes and retro games now. I think there are thousands of others like me out there, among all those who don’t go in for multiplayer games and haven’t purchased a console.

Grandwolf319,

Single player games are less and less profitable these days. What the original commenter could have said is, these days, there isn’t much money to be made telling a story when fortnight makes so much money by doing nothing but cosmetics.

bionicjoey, (edited )

It’s not a question of demand, it’s a question of profit. Multiplayer games stand to make a lot more money than singleplayer. Nobody will spend real world dollars on cosmetic items in a singleplayer game.

catloaf,

Skyrim has no multiplayer component, but plenty of people have paid cash money for cosmetic items.

bionicjoey,

Not even close to the same scale as what Valve and Blizzard get people to pay for skins and hats

intensely_human,

profit is a function of demand

Grandwolf319,

And it’s gonna continue until regulations recognize how these games are psychologically terrible for kids and have gambling mechanics.

teh_shame, do games w What are some game series you would like to see revived? And if possible, which entry should the new game follow from?

Chibi Robo!

Even just a remaster would be awesome

beepnoise,

I've heard a fair bit about this game, but never really played it. I may try to get a copy for my Steam Deck. Which one would you recommend for a first timer?

JackbyDev, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

I miss Super Monday Night Combat. (This is utterly unrelated to the post other than being a shooter/moba.)

rob9519,

I honestly can’t understand how that game still feels like it was so much better than all the clones that came for years after it!

JackbyDev,

For me it was the themeing. Games like League of Legends try to come up with weird reasons why the games work the way they do and it feels silly. SMNC leaned into the goofiness. Instead of killing a dragon for gold you’d have to catch the Mascot. I wanna say you’d get stuff from brands to help you out but I can’t remember.

Defaced, do games w It genuinely upsets me that Valve spent their time and resources on another Dota variation

For what it’s worth, Robin Walker and his team are working on the next half life after Alyx. Will that ever come out? I have no idea and I’m not expecting anything. Deadlock however is a game designed by one of the grandfathers of the moba genre, and has had over 20k concurrent players at any given time, and it wasn’t even announced with it’s existence only known through word of mouth. That’s insanely impressive and shows how huge the moba genre really is and how those players are thirsty for a new game from a big company. It sucks and I wish we had more sp valve games but I’m content with the work they’ve done on proton, steamos, the steam deck, steam itself, and half life alyx. They haven’t been sitting on their hands not doing anything, they’ve been putting their focus on more technical areas versus making games and that’s ok.

BradleyUffner,

For what it’s worth, Robin Walker and his team are working on the next half life after Alyx.

Got a source for that? I’m genuinely interested in reading more, but I don’t remember seeing anything about it in my usual places.

Defaced,

eurogamer.net/more-evidence-of-fully-fledged-half…

It’s called HLX, and it’s apparently a traditional non-vr game. Robin Walker was leading the Alyx team, it’s a safe bet he’s leading this team or working with this team on the sequel.

FeelzGoodMan420,

Having HL:A Alyx be VR was super cool. The game was so immersive and for a while afterwards, I was convinced that any furure HL game had to be VR. Then the novelty wore off and the VR market basically is basically dead. Now I’m excited for another flat screen HL game.

Noodle07, do gaming w Android games for girls?

Any Nintendo DS game on an emulator is an option too!

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