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LostWanderer, do games w Pop it in your calendars
@LostWanderer@fedia.io avatar

I'm not particularly excited about this upcoming dumpster fire...Already took it off my Wishlist.

jherazob, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

We definitely are, Valve has single-handedly made Linux a viable gaming platform, but in the process became indispensable. Thanks to Gabe they’ve been rather good in that respect. However, whoever replaces him might not be as good as him.

slauraure,
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They can’t replace him with a suit. There should be a shaman council that speaks with his spirit to make further decisions for Valve after his passing or retirement (they can just speak directly in this case).

AreaKode, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Arrrr…

atro_city, do games w Pop it in your calendars

Gib sauce!

JavaStack, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time

Is this the AI slop hyphen use I’ve heard so much about?

atomicpoet,

The em dash? I always use it—love it—you’ll have to take it from cold, dead hands.

Affidavit,

Windows: Alt+0151

Linux: Compose - + - + -

HeerlijkeDrop,

Yeah sure, emdashes and curly quotation marks were designed and put into Unicode specially for AI. Take some book or newspaper and look at what characters it uses

waterdog9,

This feels written in an AI generated voice as well though

  • all the semi-dramatic filler “Well, Valve had the last laugh”, “That said, it wasn’t perfect”, “And honestly?”, etc
  • each paragraph has an intro, some content, and a conclusion
  • all the punctuation is grammatically correct

Plus, it uses a very generic argument about why everyone else is wrong for not liking the controller, even though from the comments here it’s pretty clear the main reason is not having a d-pad

Metarespawn, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of July 7th

iam death stranding what i learned Balancing gaming with breaks improves focus and reaction time a lot. Even a 5-minute stretch every hour can keep you sharp for longer sessions.

echodot, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time

The difference is that the Steam Deck actually uses fairly traditional controls. Two joysticks, face buttons, d-pad (not that anyone uses the d-pad), multiple back triggers.

This thing was been really weird with its three analogue inputs (how am I supposed to use three analogue inputs) and every other button was limited. It also existed in a world where I can just get an Xbox controller and plug it into my PC, and it just works, so what’s the point anyway?

This thing isn’t even particularly good at controlling the steam deck, which kind of proves the point that it never really made sense as a product.

ipitco, do gaming w Beware games like this

I hope the 35k hours playtime was botted

Bronzebeard,

I’ve left a game open on the main screen, or paused, so many times that my play counters are not remotely trustworthy

ipitco,

35000 hours is a lot though. Really a lot if not done on purpose

MeatPilot, (edited )
@MeatPilot@lemmy.world avatar

That’s 4 years or 104 fortnights or 1,458+ poop socks.

To put that much time into something and say you don’t like, obviously it capture that person’s attention well beyond it’s intended shelf life. How can anyone improve on something that captured someone’s attention for four fucking years of playtime.

ipitco,

Something something fortnite joke

4 continuous years of 24/7 playtime, it’s important to say

billwashere,

That’s almost 17 years at a full time job….

ipitco,

Streamers have a good life

Unless you’re handicapped or unable to work for some reason and get a passive revenue that allows you to live, i’m not sure how people can do this

SirQuack,

I did this with Garry’s Mod, writing gamemodes and occasionally testing if it works.

Back before GMod 11 the game startup time was atrocious, so I just kept it running.

jawa22,

I have much more played time on EverQuest, but I’ve been playing that game for 26 years, so…

ipitco,

damn

TimLovesTech, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

As the only platform that cares about gamers I would say it’s your only choice under Windows also. Unless you pay for boxed versions and then rip/crack them so your not messing with physical media constantly, but then disk space becomes and issue fast.

slauraure,
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This is fair but I’m also worried about introducing a new dependency for a game that normally does not rely on Steam.

TimLovesTech,
@TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social avatar

It is a bit of weighing the convenience of Steam dealing with your catalog of games, making them all just a download away, and keeping them outside of Steam and needing to come up with your own currarion method. And if you are buying (licensing it - because apparently nobody actually owns their games) the game outside one of these storefronts, you still have DRM to deal with most likely anyway.

Just have to weigh the pros vs cons.

slauraure,
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I mean the only good alternative to Steam is GOG but there you’re not dealing with DRM.

bjoern_tantau, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?
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Yeah, Proton runs outside of Steam in Heroic and Lutris. That’s basically what the umu project is about. I think it works in Bottles as well.

Almost everything Valve has done for Linux gaming is open source and will remain even if they go away and lock everything down tomorrow.

slauraure, (edited )
@slauraure@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah that’s kind of huge tbh. I honestly hadn’t read that much about Proton. Like that fact that it’s open source.

Just remember all the discussions from the early days of Steam on Linux where some were miffed about running non-free software. I then figured that it was a necessary evil to have games work with less hassle. The games themselves are largely closed source as well, so it’s kind of moot that Steam is also.

bjoern_tantau,
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Proton is mostly a fork of Wine which has been used for decades to run Windows software on Linux. Valve didn’t do all the hard work by themselves.

slauraure,
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Yeah, well familiar with wine going back over 10 years of using Linux as primary OS with the occasional foray into getting my games running on Linux. Most of this time I have just kept a copy of Windows available for games though since it’s been way too much hassle getting things to run until the last couple of years.

slimerancher, do games w Day 358 of posting a Daily Screenshot from the games I've been playing
@slimerancher@lemmy.world avatar

I played it 2-3 years ago, and yeah, it still holds up pretty well.

SweetCitrusBuzz, (edited ) do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Yes. However, before they started supporting and prefering linux, and working on proton then getting any game working on linux was a real mess and the average person couldn’t do it for most games.

Sadly most other games stores in the digital space like gog don’t give a shit about linux, thus there is still no galaxy on linux, nor are their preservation efforts coming to linux for a long time.

Lfrith,

Yeah, I set up heroic launcher to play some games from GOG, but achievements didn’t work when I tried it and save sync was kind of buggy. So for GOG just stuck to playing on Windows, since I do want my achievements and time tracked.

I wish other big platforms tried more in trying help escape Windows instead of just being bystanders and not even bothering with Linux launchers themselves.

muhyb,

Time tracking and achievements work for me. You might need to update GOG reditrubutables package though Heroic should do it automatically.

Lfrith,

Must have gotten an update since I last used it. That’s a nice change.

muhyb,

Yeah, it is. There is even a cloud sync feature now (though it’s still in beta, mostly works). Only thing missing is limiting download speed. Apparently GOG need to do that through gogdl.

SweetCitrusBuzz,
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, it’s sad that they don’t, gog really needs to get on it imo. Though have you tried running galaxy through proton?

I want that too, heck even Epic could easily make their games native to linux with a single button press but they don’t want to.

slauraure,
@slauraure@beehaw.org avatar

For the games that natively run on Linux I don’t see any difference in how they’re preserved. Haven’t encountered anything that doesn’t run on modern systems.

With that said they could get an easy win by making a Linux version of Galaxy and borrowing Proton to run non-Linux titles.

SweetCitrusBuzz,
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

I have, sadly. On steam once the native linux version of a game wouldn’t run but the windows one would through proton.

However, yeah I agree, they could so I don’t know why they don’t.

Toes, do gaming w Linux users: Are we over-reliant on Steam?

You should be able to select “GE-Proton(Latest)” as your runner in Lutris. But if its missing for some reason, github.com/gloriouseggroll/proton-ge-custom

I haven’t noticed any major issues between using Lutris and Steam for the games I play.

henfredemars,
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Lutris is definitely the strongest contender, and is mostly based on the same compatibility technology.

entropicdrift,
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Meh, I like Heroic better personally. It’s a preference thing at this point between the two of em IMO

SweetCitrusBuzz,
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, Heroic is good but sadly it only supports gog and epic. Not everything is from those stores, sadly. Whereas Lutris supports a lot more sources.

entropicdrift,
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It supports GoG, Epic, and Amazon, but it also supports installing games manually, which has worked for literally everything else for me so far.

I used to use Lutris, but in the last year or so Heroic got so good I stopped ¯_(ツ)_/¯

SweetCitrusBuzz,
@SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org avatar

Ah, okay, thanks for the correction!

slauraure,
@slauraure@beehaw.org avatar

Yeah, it’s been at least five years since I tried Lutris last time. It’s probably matured alongside Proton. Honestly I started moving all my non-Linux games over to Linux after getting a Steam deck and seeing how well the games worked without tinkering.

I don’t mind leaving my Steam games in Steam but I would like to run some of my Windows titles e.g. GOG titles, Guild Wars without relying on the Steam network being up. Is Heroic the way to go?

swab148,

If Heroic doesn’t work, Bottles is usually my go-to for GOG games.

lethalspatula, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time

Ive never been a fan of joysticks, so when they announced this I was super excited for the track pads. I wanted to love them, but I could never get used to them. They feel super unnatural, even for FPS, to the point where I was longing for joysticks.

baropithecus, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time

It’s funny—just a little over five years ago, gamers hated it. Not because they ever used one, but because it was a failure. And as we all know about gamers, there’s nothing they hate more than a failure.

Nice try, but that’s not why I hated it.

This smug revisionism triggers me hard. As a hard core steam fan I loved the idea of the SC, I bought it and really tried to use it, but the reality was just too clunky for primary use. It has no dpad, a single crappy convex analog stick, terribly placed ABXY buttons, horrible shoulder buttons, and just a bit too much input lag on the trackpads. On top all that was (actually, still is) a remapping system that’s way too convoluted to use regularly. There’s also the sad fact that alarmingly many games don’t allow simultaneous gamepad and mouse inputs, and simulating the mouse through right stick inputs feels like shit. I really didn’t find any use case where it’s ergonomically superior to a regular gamepad beside the always cited Civ on the Couch, and I’ve tried with sooo many games.

The deck’s control layout fixes most of the issues – the placement is better (except maybe the Salvador Dali inspired B button but I digress), there is a great d pad, two pretty good analog sticks and the input is snappier. Surprise surprise, the deck is a success.

Was the SC innovative, bold and ahead of its time in many ways? Sure. Was it a good controller to play games with? Hell no.

nagaram,
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Fully agree. I tried to make the SC work and wrote off a lot of it as “I’m just not used to it”, but it really is asking a lot. In its defence, it was a first run product. The fact that it’s still ass usable and as weird is impressive enough to me. But it’s better as a piece of gaming history than a good product. It was just a good try.

I also agree with the Steam deck controls being actually good. I want the SC2 that’s just a steam deck without the screen or computer.

So I guess the opposite of the steam brick.

I’d gladly pay $100 to have a steam deck like control scheme for my desktop. Rechargeable batteries and a Linux first design would be awesome. I don’t mind just using cables all the time, but I would like better wireless options for Linux gamepads (though to be fair, I haven’t tried connecting a wireless controller to a Linux box in 5 years).

UnderpantsWeevil,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I bought it and really tried to use it, but the reality was just too clunky for primary use. It has no dpad, a single crappy convex analog stick, terribly placed ABXY buttons, horrible shoulder buttons, and just a bit too much input lag on the trackpads.

Hard truths.

Why did they feel the need to replace analog controls with these weird, inconsistently responsive, difficult to map touch controls when every other console platform had already demonstrated why that’s a bad idea?

Was the SC innovative, bold and ahead of its time in many ways?

NO. It was kitsch and poorly engineered and obviously not play tested sufficiently before release. It was a hobbyist’s attempt at reinventing the mousetrap that got shoved into a major distribution pipeline when Playstation and Nintendo and XBox had already demonstrated why you don’t build controllers this way ten years earlier.

baropithecus,

Why did they feel the need to replace analog controls with these weird, inconsistently responsive, difficult to map touch controls when every other console platform had already demonstrated why that’s a bad idea?

I have no idea what you’re talking about. The DS4 had a trackpad that was clearly positioned and intended for menu navigation. Nobody used trackpads as a primary game control input before the SC. That’s not because sticks are some god-given pinnacle of technology but because potentiometer-based sticks are cheap and people are used to them. Analog sticks were always, and still are, a crappy way to control a camera. Building a 1:1 thumb based input source into a controller absolutely was innovative and, like it or hate it, I don’t see how you can contest that. The Steam Deck’s pads are actually pretty great to use.

Playstation and Nintendo and XBox had already demonstrated why you don’t build controllers this way ten years earlier.

Again, what are you talking about? The SC was released in 2015.

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