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comicallycluttered, do gaming w Starfield Review Thread

Kind of interesting that the vast majority of negative/mixed reviews are regarding gameplay/story rather than complaining about major bugs (although jank has been noted in a few, and I’d honestly be a bit disappointed if there wasn’t any).

We’ll have to wait until release (Cyberpunk’s bugs weren’t that prominent in reviews either), but I really hope this “lol Bugthesda” meme can die.

Regardless of how buggy it is, I expect Dunkey to somehow break it as soon as he boots it up, which should be entertaining.

Primarily0617,

bethesda's games have always been incredibly buggy on release, but they've never released a single player game that was unplayable because of the bugs

Perfide,

Skyrim for PS3 is in an unacceptable state to this day. The longer you play a save the worse the performance gets. My cousin finished the game at like 5 fps.

fred,

Fallout Nee Vegas has crash on startup issues day one on PC. Lots of folks couldn’t play it and I believe an unofficial patch came faster than an official.

shoop,

FO4 was unplayable for me due to constant crashes to desktop. On a new rig at the time too

MJBrune,

Watching a few people play it on stream, they didn’t come across any bugs but the AI was making really silly choices still. Like Rushing a gunner with a melee weapon from far away. It’s essentially still the “Gary” AI. From everything I’ve seen, it’s going to be Fallout but you can drive the alien crashed spaceship to another planet.

comicallycluttered,

As much as I love them, I’m about to be a hypocrite and say I don’t know if Bethesda will ever have non-janky AI. It’s the one thing that’s been fairly consistent over a very long time now.

Whether it’s enemies or your followers, or just pathfinding weirdness with NPCs, it’s like their AI is just kind of… there sometimes. If had a conspiracy theory about it, I’d say they’re doing it on purpose to get you to explore the world by finding your missing followers (of which I’m sure we’ll see many get stuck on different planets entirely now).

AlternativeEmphasis,

I mean it wasn't a meme. Bethesda games are buggy on release. The PS3 edition of Skyrim was notoriously not fit for release, I honestly do not think that level of bugs would ever have been tolerated nowawdays. It's also something that Microsoft's QA team really ought to be credited for because it seems they are the reason this game stands out amongst Bethesda releases in recent years.

That said imma wait till a few days afterwards just in case. And the story getting bad reviews is not unsurprising as Bethesda has not really had a good one since Morrowind, or maybe Point Lookout in F3.

comicallycluttered,

You are right, but I just get tired of it sometimes as a “predictor” or that they should be lauded for not releasing something that falls apart at release.

Bethesda have a reputation for a reason, but the lack of QA (or at least publishers willing to listen to QA) in a lot of modern gaming has made some of Bethesda’s previous issues seem almost normal.

I guess that’s more an indictment of modern gaming than really a defense of Bethesda, lol. And for all the shit they get about “modders fixing their games”, they were the ones who actually went and fixed a lot of FO76’s issues after that launch disaster.

Either way, regarding the story… Yeah. I find that oftentimes the side quests (particularly faction quests or the FO4 follower quests) tend to be way more interesting than the main quest in some of their games.

Hdcase,

The lolbugthesda meme exists because it’s true. There aren’t many games I’ve had to completely start over because of a game breaking glitch in a side quest, but that was Skyrim and the infamous thieves guild glitch.

They’re good games but pretending there are no bugs, either funny cosmetic ones or serious progress blocking ones, helps no one.

comicallycluttered,

Sure. I don’t think I was pretending there weren’t any bugs. I think it’s more the dismissive approach toward their games before release that gets a bit tiring, even if it is often warranted in some respects.

Creation Engine is buggy as fuck, and I’ll always expect their games to have a fair amount of jank at the very least. Even Obsidian had troubles with it (though some of those bugs could also be attributed to lack of time and testing).

But I hope that if this does prove to be have better release than their others (admittedly, it can be a low bar), that it sticks.

t3rmit3,

I played from 5 pm yesterday at release until 5 am today, and I literally encountered one single bug, which was that I managed to get a big enemy’s pathing hung up on a rock, so I could kill it.

verysoft, do gaming w What's wrong with the Saints Row reboot again?

It's a shell of a game, it looks like an early prototype that was rushed out the door. And that's probably exactly what it is, it's an attempt at a quick cash grab using an old popular IP. If you enjoy it, that's fine, but let's not keep collectively lowering our acceptable standards.

HawlSera,

I do miss being able to rob stores and kill clerks…

Oh things that make me sound like a horrible person out of context…

Frolie, do piracy w What are the ways to play minecraft offline (single player)?

github.com/fn2006/PollyMC - Fork of prism launcher to allow offline play without an account.

ReversalHatchery,

It is wild if jetbrains actually gave them IDE licenses, and that other company M1 macs

Edit: I’ve just looked into it a bit more and those badges are coming from the prismlauncher repo, which is the direct upstream of poly

bonfire921,

If I recall pollymc had a controversy about something that made everyone drop it for some reason, can’t recall what it was though

LuycYQ2uUiTjR3yLri,

PolyMC (with one L) is the launcher that had the controversy. Prism Launcher was forked from PolyMC, and PollyMC (with 2 Ls) is a new project forked from Prism Launcher.

bonfire921,

Ah I see didn’t know there was a new one, interesting that they carried the name and added an L, could be a turn off for a lot of people

QuazarOmega,

It’s just a nod to pirates, now me wants cracker!

nakukono,

I think polymc and pollymc are two different things.

LiveLM, (edited )

The PolyMC controversy is that one of the devs went rogue and kicked everyone else off the project, so they didn’t really have a choice but to fork. They explain what happened on the FAQ of their website.

totallynotfbi, do piracy w Is anyone concer about denuvo on switch?

Personally, I think that the Denuvo protection on Switch games would probably be a simpler system than the full-fat PC DRM. It would probably be too intense for the Switch’s meagre processing power, and customers are definitely going to be annoyed when their game takes a minute or two to load up.

Could it pave the way for that crap on other consoles as well?

At this moment, the only current-gen console to be jailbroken is the Nintendo Switch. There’s no need for external DRM on the PS5 and Xbox because publishers can trust that users will only be able to play legit copies of games. Switch games, on the other hand, don’t have that guarantee, because dumping games on a jailbroken switch is very easy to do. Hence why Irdeto is planning to offer DRM for the Switch only.

Interestingly, this isn’t the first time that third-party DRM was used on a Nintendo console. Some DS and Wii games were protected by an anti-piracy system called MetaFortress, which aimed to protect against flashcarts and pirated copies. Here’s a video from the Dolphin emulator team about its use in the all-time classic, “The Smurfs: Dance Party”

moody,

Their goal is to prevent emulation. I don’t know how effective it would be at stopping on-console piracy.

Vilian,

but can’t emulation emulate the denuvo?

riquisimo,

Denuvo phones home constantly. Unless denuvo is removed from the game, the game won’t be playable unless it was legitimately purchased and can be verified on denuvo’s servers.

Furthermore denuvo encrypts the game files and the denuvo files and scrambles them all together, like mixing two jars of sand from different beaches, but the denuvo sand pieces know where everything is, so the game and copy protections still work.

So it’s hard to remove.

Oha,
@Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz avatar

Best explanation ive ever read. thanks

maxprime,

I wonder if an emulator that breaks DRM could be considered illegal. I would imagine that emu teams would tread carefully around this sort of thing to avoid litigation.

NuPNuA, do gaming w As a recovering video game addict, what is the best way to avoid 'the jitters' when exposed something that reminds you of gaming?

Not to dismiss your issues mate, but I don’t know if a gaming sub is the best place to ask. Most of us in here probably put a few hours a day into games ourselves without considering it an issue.

bermuda,

Yeah it’s like if they were asking for recovering alcoholism problems in the beer community

NuPNuA,

Or your mate Dealer Dave how to get off the smack, lol.

IoSapsai,

I actually agree with you but the mental health communities on Lemmy haven’t caught up yet, and I figured one could find more people here that could relate.

itsgallus, do gaming w What Pokémon Go could've been.

My biggest gripe, although I can understand the reasoning behind it, is that the encounter rates are totally backwards. All the Pokémon, stops and gyms are in cities, and there are scarcely any in the wilderness, skewing the game in favour of those who live in or near cities.

Also, the Pokémon games contain all the elements to make a great ARG MMO. Why reinvent it? They could’ve easily put their paywalls and micro transactions in place while still keeping the traditional Pokémon formula.

It’s not a terrible game, and it obviously has a following and makes money, but it could’ve been so much better. They totally dropped the Pokéball.

itsgallus,

I meant to write “AR MMO”. Phone autocorrected.

JPSound, do gaming w Haven't we forgotten someone?

Middle-child syndrome.

Also, this meme makes me want to pirate some Nintendo games. Off to illegally download some roms from 1992. Good time to sell some stock bc as soon as they realized I downloaded SNES Mario All-stars, the market value is gunna crash so hard.

The_Picard_Maneuver,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

How is Nintendo going to feed its family now?

JPSound,

In the words of our billionaire elite overlords, “fuck them kids!”

ICastFist,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

You just triggered Epstein’s bones

aoidenpa,

Nintendo is the surname of the founder? Didn’t know that.

JPSound,

First and second name, actually. Nintendo Nintendo was the reason why one of the Mario brothers is named Mario. Mario Mario is based on Nintendo Nintendo.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Fightcade

Gt5, do games w Pop it in your calendars

I feel like I’m the only person on the planet who thought Subnautica was boring and tedious. It was definitely not for me

Duamerthrax,

It’s a popular streamer game, which means long gaps where nothing happens.

TheLeadenSea,

No, sane here. I also didn’t find its gameplay loop fun, although the graphics were incredible.

Edit: I meant ‘same’, but I’m leaving it.

merc,
@merc@sh.itjust.works avatar

Seeing the underwater world was so much fun. I got it to play in VR and only did that a couple of times, but I completed the original and Below Zero because the exploration and underwater scenes were just so good.

FellowEnt,

Couldn’t get into the main game. In VR, however, just exploring was an unforgettable experience.

cynar,

I want to love it in VR. It’s taking me a long time to train my stomach to accept it however. It gives me SERIOUS motion sickness in VR.

DoucheBagMcSwag,

There’s an improved motion control VR mod now for it now btw

github.com/Okabintaro/SubmersedVR?tab=readme-ov-f…

cynar,

I’ll check it out, next time I get a chance to fire it up. Unfortunately, I hate the teleport mechanism of vr games. I love hurtling through the water. Unfortunately, that also makes me motion sickness. I’m slowly training myself out of it, but it takes time.

Blackmist,

It’s just a shame it’s such a half arsed VR conversion. Way too much UI going on for my tastes.

ProdigalFrog,

I also wasn’t a fan, mainly due to how often you need to resupply to stay alive. You get a very small window of opportunity to do actual exploration before you need to go find more food and water, on top of gathering a bunch of other materials.

I liked parts of it, but ultimately just got frustrated with the tedious parts and bailed.

cynar,

That phase does end. The various vehicles allowed for exploration without returning to the surface, as do deep sea bases.

At the same time, I fully understand why you feel that way. The crunch is required for the fear to be meaningful, it’s not everybody’s cup of tea.

Goodeye8,

I don't know how far you made it but if you make the biggest vehicle you can add planters inside the vehicle which significantly cuts down the need to restock. That said in the end game the survival elements become so trivialize they end meaningless busywork even if you have planters.

ProdigalFrog,

I did build the big ship, but I don’t think I used the planters effectively. I just remember needing to frequently recharge it and repair it.

Balinares,

Nah, that’s valid. I loved it to bits, myself, but what made me love it was how adroitly I felt it curated feelings of dread and sincere awe as I explored deeper and deeper; and that’s highly subjective. I hope you’re finding as much joy in your own fave games as I did in Subnautica!

Texas_Hangover,

Same here.

CidVicious,
@CidVicious@sh.itjust.works avatar

That whole survival crafting genre seems very hit or miss to me, and I’ve noticed that people liking one game in the genre is a very poor predictor of whether they’ll like another one. Subnautica, Don’t Starve, Minecraft, and Ark are all theoretically the same genre but very different games.

However I’ve also seen a lot of people say that Subnautica was the one that clicked for them. I think the story and progression was big for a lot of people.

burntbacon,

people liking one game in the genre is a very poor predictor of whether they’ll like another one

I love survival/building games, and so do most of my friends. Even the terrible ones are usually fun. So I’d posit that it’s the opposite with a caveat: liking one for more than its story means you’ll enjoy the others.

I think it’s more indicative of games/hobbies as a whole than the survival genre specifically. People who love the adrenaline of a motorcycle may not enjoy the thrill of going down a mile high mountain on two thin sticks, IF it was the rumble of the engine beneath them that they actually enjoyed. If it was the rush of the speed though (or in the case of survival/building games, the exploration and struggle to stay alive and not lose your stuff), then they’ll likely enjoy the other adrenaline sports.

OddMinus1,

I found it to be tense and interesting while playing. But looking back, I can’t really put my finger on what made it that way. I swam around and gathered resources to build boats, make food and fresh water - I can’t really ser what the big drive was. But I certainly loved it enough to finish it, which is rare for me regarding most games.

Zorque,

It was very much not an action oriented game. It was more about building resources and exploration. I can definitely see it not appealing to large swatches of the gaming population. Especially those used to the modern spate of action rpgs.

Blackmist,

I just can’t get into it. I can see there’s a progress path of stuff to do, but it feels like there’s grind to get anywhere.

Evotech,

That grind is also why you actually feel like you are losing something if you die, and consequently makes you anxious about going deeper.

TabbsTheBat, do games w The Steam controller was ahead of its time
@TabbsTheBat@pawb.social avatar

The steam controller wasn’t for me (the lack of a 2nd stick and a d-pad to a lesser extent were dealbreakers for me), but I do hope valve releases a standalone steamdeck style controller :3 we had those leaks and whatnot a while back, and it certainly has everything I’d want

atomicpoet,

Yes, that’s the other thing: the trackpad D-pad is not as good as a button D-pad.

TabbsTheBat,
@TabbsTheBat@pawb.social avatar

I love the touchpad as an auxiliary input, and in that regard it does a lot more than a d-pad, but for any games where you want it as a primary input it wasn’t optimal, yeah… currently I use a ds4 controller and having a touchbar on that is great with steam input tho, cause it can just do so much (looks at my 500 minecraft mods with all the keybinds), it can be annoying sometimes accidentally hitting the sticks cause of how it’s positioned tho (and also no paddles) so it would still be cool to see a steam deck type variant controller featuring the touchpads and all the other inputs you’d expect :3

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

Same here. The thing was neat and innovative, but missing the dpad and right stick really brought it down significantly imo. The steam deck got it right - the trackpads are incredibly useful when used as a supplementary feature, but rarely as a full replacement for traditional inputs. Plus the form factor. Dear god the thing was MASSIVE. Incredibly uncomfortable to use and such an awkward shape.

Here’s hoping the leaks come to fruition, because a 2.0 version based on the Deck would be 10/10.

Buffalobuffalo,

I use a steam controller everyday and it feels like my first handjob every time. Given, or received.

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

What a way with words LOL

I respect it but it’s not for me. It feels very defined for one hand size in particular, thing gives me cramps.

TropicalDingdong,
@TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world avatar

The steam deck controller addresses all of these issues. I was literally an anti-controller (wasd gang) zealot and the steam deck controller converted me because I can literally play city skylines in bed now…

TabbsTheBat,
@TabbsTheBat@pawb.social avatar

Yeah :3. The steam deck layout honestly looks really good, and if valve does release a controller featuring everything it has it’s probably gonna be a buy from me

At the moment most of the controllers on the market would require either giving up the features my current one has, shelling out hundreds of euros for a couple of extra buttons, or literally getting the same deal, a steam deck style controller would offer quite a bit more and it would hopefully be more reasonably priced than the “pro” controllers

dualpad,

Unfortunately for steam controller users the touchpads were an downgrade in size, shape, and location for those who liked using them as their main inputs. So even people like me who use dual touchpads on the Steam Controller opted for joysticks on the Deck, since they weren’t satisfied with the touchpad experience.

Which was unfortunate, since there’s lot of options for dual joystick controllers but I’m still searching for a Steam Controller upgrade.

tankfox,

I’m glad at least someone else here had that feeling. I ended up not liking mine at all and sending it back. I couldn’t get used to the pads at all even though I wanted to like it a lot, maybe it’s just my hands. I use my steam deck all the time, first an led and now an oled, and I can count the times I’ve used the trackpads on it effectively on one hand.

tias, do gaming w What are signs that the game devs aren't gamers themselves?

Long cutscenes that don’t let you save or pause when anything comes up that forces you to leave the keyboard or just focus elsewhere.

“Control” was the worst wrt this (or was it Quantum Break? Maybe both). I was just about to go to bed when it showed me a “cutscene” that went on for more than 30 minutes. Turned out later that you could actually go back to watch it again afterwards, but there was no indication of that at the time.

MentalEdge,
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

That would have been Quantum Break. I don’t recall Control having any one cutscene that long.

But Quantum Break did the whole video-game/TV-series hybrid media thing, and was full of “episodes” that were essentially 30-minute cutscenes.

marighost,
@marighost@piefed.social avatar

I'm playing through Control now and haven't encountered that (fun game btw!), so methinks it's Quantum Break you're thinking of.

I agree with you, though. Sometimes I have to step away for whatever reason and end up missing something because I can't pause.

bjoern_tantau,
@bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

The Steam Deck is great in that regard. Just put it to sleep.

evening_push579,

Same with the Switch and easily one of the top features. Laundry done? Sleep mode. SO asks something? Sleep mode. Done pooing? Sleep mode.

TheGreenWizard, do games w The signatures are still coming and it's already making an impact
SaharaMaleikuhm,

From the mind of the one Free Man

FeelzGoodMan420, do games w Why don't Steam or Discord offer the option to hide when we're typing?

Why is everyone here gaslighting OP as if this isn’t a valid privacy concern? It’s completely valid. Other messaging services allow you to disable typing indicators and message receipts. Even Google messages offers this. So yea, I’m with OP on this one.

It’s weird that Lemmy is super concerned with privacy yet shits on people for stuff like this. Good jobs guys. Really making Lemmy shine here.

Adalast,

Agree, but let’s not dilute the meaning of “gaslighting”. That word has a VERY specific definition and it had been getting used in inappropriate contexts so much that that very specific and necessary definition is being lost. It refers to a specific abusive behavior pattern which needs a good and concrete word to communicate it. My teen stepdaughter had it in her head that us educating her on the world was “gaslighting”, which is dangerous because she had the “gaslighting bad” reaction to things that were not gaslighting, and it is not limited to her. There is a concerted effort on the part of some political groups to break and weaponize the definitions of things like gaslighting and manipulation, we need to work to make sure it is not successful.

Ulrich,
@Ulrich@feddit.org avatar

No one is gaslighting. And no one is saying it’s not a valid concern. Just that the expectation to explain yourself is not valid.

Coelacanth, do games w Starting today, Heroic Games Launcher is indexing their Discord server
@Coelacanth@feddit.nu avatar

Not sure this is the ideal long term solution but anything that combats Discord’s status of being an absolute information black hole is good.

LocoLobo, do gaming w Shower thought: Valve could do the ultimate boss-move this year

OP clearly overestimates how many people would use SteamOS or any other Linux distro for that matter. Most users are casual gamers these days, they are not changing OS just because there is a forced Windows update.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t know, I think you’re clearly underestimating how many people would install Valve’s OS. The number of people with a Steam Deck that don’t know that what it’s running is a Linux distro is pretty high. The other piece to this is that it’s not just a forced Windows update for a huge chunk of users, it’s a forced device upgrade. Valve offering a free upgrade that negates the need to buy new hardware would absolutely capture people’s attention.

LocoLobo,

Yes and no, people can still use win10, it just won’t receive patches anymore. And in this particular case, my best guess is, that most people would rather use and outdated OS for a long time, rather than changing the OS altogether. Not every game is on steam, also not every non game programm is easily available for Linux. Humans are lazy.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I don’t disagree in principle, but from what I’ve heard the full screen “buy a new computer” pop-ups are pretty bloody annoying!

teawrecks,

You’re forgetting that valve can also drop support for EOL versions of windows, which so far they have.

LocoLobo,

True, but for example for Win7 they dropped support last year I think. So quite some time.

teawrecks,

I think that was them drawing a line on eol windows. They cut both 7 and 8.1 at the same time. Could just be the policy now.

Part of me wants them to take the opportunity to push people to switch to Linux, the other part of me thinks that will be perceived no differently from msft’s badgering about win11.

LocoLobo,

That would be quite the power move, but unfortunately Steam doesn’t hold that much power alone, I think. There are still enough games that are not on Steam. As of today , Microsoft is the biggest games publisher (with Bethesda, Blizzard, Obsidian, ID, Mojang etc. belonging to them) and there are also giants like LoL or Fortnite.

teawrecks,

It’s hard to say. I agree, it seems like the MAU data for each of League and Fortnite is roughly the same as MAU for all of Steam (which is nuts). Of course there’s no way to know how much overlap is there. Still, both of these titles would be a hard stop for people deciding whether to switch to Linux.

As for msft themselves though, ironically I don’t know what titles they have that keep players on windows. Battle.net works on Linux, Minecraft Java ed works on Linux (not sure about bedrock ed compatibility or player count, but afaik most of those players are on non-PC platforms), all their zenimax titles are sold through steam and work great on Linux. CoD might be their biggest hold.

I disagree on number of games, but I agree on player count. The number of PC games that are not on steam (or don’t work on linux) is tiny these days. But the number of PC gamers who don’t need steam, or need something that doesn’t run on linux is probably still quite high. Still, even if valve was able to push a few % of PC gamers to Linux, that would be huge. We’re currently at 2% on Linux in steam surveys. I could see a power move by valve around win10 eol bringing that closer to 10%.

LocoLobo,

Yeah that’s true, I think the biggest hurdle are games that use anticheat that don’t work on Linux, which are afaik usually multiplayer games. So they might be able to pull gamers, that only play Singleplayer games.

bloup,

This isn’t about people not wanting to use Windows 11 this is about people not wanting to purchase a new computer

Honytawk,

They don’t have to purchase anything if they just keep using an unsupported OS.

Most people don’t care enough to change.

Shayeta,

They are if they can’t afford a new computer.

JohnnyCanuck,
@JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca avatar

Windows 10 won’t just stop working. I still see businesses rocking Windows Vista occasionally.

teawrecks,

No one is trying to play games on those vista machines, though. Valve pulled steam support for win 7 and 8.1 over a year ago because they were EOL. If they also pull support from win 10 once it’s EOL, then people will need to make a change to keep playing their games. If msft refuse to support existing hardware with win11, then many people will be forced to choose between buying a new laptop/PC, or trying Linux.

Rose,

They won’t stop supporting 10 unless its use drops significantly. They’d not shoot themselves in the foot.

Vinny_93, do games w What is the most "Indie Feeling" game that is definitely NOT from an Indie Studio?

Ori and the Blind Forest/Will of the Wisps?

Made by a smaller studio but published by Microsoft

Azrael,
@Azrael@lemmy.ca avatar

Abso-fricking-lutely!

mic_check_one_two,

That was my very first thought. It has all of the indie vibes, but was published by the OG evil tech company.

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