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chowdertailz, do games w A game you "didn't know it was bad 'til people told you so"?

Destiny 2.

Started playing the first game day one but stopped for several years. Picked up 2 when I found out it was ftp right after beyond light came out and bought all the dlcs available until after lightfall. I was at work and a customer asked what games I play. Said D2 and someone else said “why would you do that to yourself?” I thought hard about that for awhile and realized all I do is grind and don’t really have that much fun with it. It was more like a second job. And lightfall was a garbage dlc. That was also a major contributer to me quitting.

LaserTurboShark69, (edited )

My biggest issue with Destiny 2 is that I paid $60 for it and then it soon went free to play and I had absolutely nothing to show for that $60 I paid.

Edit: oh yeah and that original $60 campaign was removed from the game by the time I went back to check out what was new. There was straight up less content available for me after not playing for a year. I felt so ripped off that I wrote the game off.

chowdertailz,

I was excited to start again right as beyond light dropped, but it was confusing as hell as a new player because they sunset the starting campaign. Weird to have to research how to play a game.

nfreak,
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Even TF2 gave special cosmetics and stuff to existing players when it went F2P ages ago. It’s a standard practice at this point. I sunk 12k hours into D2 until I quit it for good this past fall, and looking back I swear I just notice more and more red flags like this that I hadn’t thought too much about.

nfreak,
@nfreak@lemmy.ml avatar

I started with Shadowkeep and I got sucked in hard for 5 years. The first year or two I heard these sorts of negative comments here and there, mostly from long-term players, but didn’t think much of it.

Fast forward to this past year, and Revenant is what made me say fuck it and drop the game entirely. I was already sick of the state of the game, powercreep to hell and back, pvp in the dumpster, nonexistent loot, etc etc. But jesus that season was eye-opening. I uninstalled a day after Tomb of Elders launched.

I was also a major completionist - near max triumph score, never missed a day 1 raid from DSC onwards til unfortunate scheduling fucked our SE run, every GM soloed to that point, shit like that. Missing that one single season and a couple shitty little time-limited events was enough to feel like I’d fallen behind, and that was it. Booted up the game once since to check out Heresy, activity was the same shit as always, loot was dogshit, so I checked out right away.

And that’s just the gameplay gripes. Bungie as a studio is toxic as fuck in so many ways and I can never in good conscience support them again.

It took a few years but I finally understand what people were telling me way back when I started.

Zarxrax, do games w Why do people like Mario Kart?

It’s fun because you never know what will happen. It’s not totally random, the more skilled players will tend to win more often than not, just not every time. Also there are other game modes than just racing. Back when me and my friends played on SNES and N64, it was almost always battle mode.

mesitoispro,
@mesitoispro@ttrpg.network avatar

That’s fair.

I honestly forgot about all the fun I had at a friend’s house playing the battle mode. Thanks for the memories.

catloaf,

Yup. In a regular racing game, if one person knows how to play, they’re going to wreck everyone else, and that’s not fun. Mario Kart is more accessible, and the items, it adds an extra influence element to the game.

lath, do games w How do you keep track of what games you have played over the years?

I don’t. If I played a game and then forgot about it, then i get to play it again at a different stage in life. It’s a whole new experience! Why would I want to miss out on that?

GreyCat,

There is nothing to miss out on by just keeping a list of which games you have played and when. It’s just an extra step after finishing playing a game.

Does steam recording the last launch date of a game ruin your next experience with a game for you ?

Fizz, do games w Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 Now Promotes Microtransactions When You Swap Weapons
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

Reading that reddit comment section was depressing. Seeing people making excuses and saying just dont buy them. Redditors are way above the general player base in terms of awareness. Became they can actually have long form structured discussion about the state of the game. Even then the response is still “this sucks and its kind of greedy”.

Seeing the things people put up with is blackpilling. It actually spreads over the whole industry. I wish I hated technology and gaming so I wouldn’t care watching it be farmed by corporations.

SuperSpecialNickname,

People normalizing and defending this shit by saying that are part of the problem and I would even say the main reason for this

Hyphlosion,

Happy Cake Day!

SuperSpecialNickname,

Thank you! 😊

turkalino,

Tbh this is also the attitude of cod players who stuck around after the BO6 release. Warzone especially took a huge step backwards. 20 Hz server-side updates for a battle royale game is pretty sad

Hyphlosion,

That was not my attitude. Been sticking with the game since the first beta and have only recently been getting bummed by the game. My attitude was: If I’m going to spend money on the digital deluxe edition of the game, I’m sure as hell going to get my money’s worth.

Was having fun getting Dark Matter and have it on all the weapons minus this brand new season. But see my post in here that I made about the game becoming less fun.

turkalino,

My attitude was: If I’m going to spend money on the digital deluxe edition of the game, I’m sure as hell going to get my money’s worth.

By admitting to the sunk cost fallacy, you’ve really only proven my point. You’re gonna find ways to defend the game more than you should, unconsciously or not.

I know it’s hard, but in this current era of live service games recording metrics beyond just purchased copies of the game, you should vote with your play time, regardless of how much you’ve already put into the game.

Hyphlosion, (edited )

But I’m not proving your point. Nowhere have I defended the game.

I’m saying that I made my bed, so I’m lying in it. The game was an investment I made and so I was getting my money’s worth. It was a mental decision I made before buying the game.

It helped that I like Call of Duty and so enjoyed myself for a good while, despite Black Op 6 being a total mess that’s hemorrhaging casual players and now hardcore players because they’ve shat the bed with Black Ops 6 one too many times (they, being Activi$ion and Treyarch).

Though I like Call of Duty, I’m not a fanboy who will defend the game. I’m a simple 9-5er casual player who turns the game on, has a bit of fun working to a camo goal, then turns the game off when I can’t take being smoked by the supposed “skill” based matchmaking anymore.

I’m trying to show you that it’s way more nuanced than you’re making it out to be.

In regards to the sunk cost “fallacy,” it was not a fallacy when I first made my decision to purchase the game. I’m only recently at a fork in the road with this game due to its problems making it less and less fun for me. I mentioned earlier that I played the first beta. Don’t you think I would’ve not purchased the game if I hadn’t had fun then?

I have no remorse for my purchase of the game whatsoever. Many hours of entertainment have been had. However, it will be an actual sunk cost fallacy for my purchase of season 4 Blackcell if I’m not enjoying it and feel the need to continue. I’m currently at that fork in the road right now and haven’t decided whether to put the game down or not. Most likely will though if I can’t find a way to make it fun. If I decided to anyway, then it would be the sunk cost fallacy. Not for Black Ops 6 as a whole, but for Season 4 Blackcell.

Also, if you wish to throw fallacies around, I must call you out on the cherry picking fallacy. The part you quoted had neatly been cushioned above it and below it with reasoning as to why my purchase decision wasn’t an example of the sunken cost fallacy, yet you seemed to have ignored the whole context and just plucked that part of my post out in order to what, feel like a smug debater or something? Lol.

Congrats on getting me to repeat myself, I guess.

NuXCOM_90Percent,

It has nothing to do with reddit and has been going on since the days of frigging usenet.

When someone likes something, they find ways to make an exception. The biggest example being The DRM Wars where EVERYONE was suddenly an active duty military person stationed in an airgap in The Middle East and could not connect to any server to authenticate their game (but had no problem spending hours arguing on message boards). Then Valve say you need to use something called “Steam” to play Half-Life 2 and suddenly everyone is ready to say that Steam is different and not actually DRM even though the model wasn’t that different than how Stardock or even frigging Gamespy were doing stuff.

Everyone hated microtransactions and that is TOTALLY the only reason people were angry at the Star Wars game that came out within a month or two of TLJ. Then Genshin Impact came out and suddenly everyone wanted to make it abundantly clear that that was okay because, yes, it is a gacha game but it is totally a fair one where you can do everything without ever spending any money if you just grind endlessly and use multiple accounts to hoard day limited currencies.

But also? People hated DLC way back when it was something you downloaded from a BBS after mailing the developers a physical check. But when it was a game people liked (Star Crusader with mutha fugging Roman Alexander!!!), it was suddenly okay.

Which is to say: Things have been real shit for coming on 40 years of gaming. And yet, by and large, video games keep getting better (not so much the games industry for the people who make games).

SalamenceFury,
@SalamenceFury@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly I think the fact it got enough backlash that Treyarch removed it is a good thing.

Jordan117, do games w What games are just objective masterpieces?

Katamari Damacy. It has a reputation for being silly Japanese nonsense, but the gameplay is brilliant, the graphics are timeless, the soundtrack is incredible, and it has some surprising thematic depth.

weirdbeardgame,

Na naaaaa na na na na na, na na, na naaaa Katamari Damacyyyyyyy

mesamunefire, do games w Developer interview: my Q&A with the creator of Lutris

Such a good piece of software.

PerfectDark,
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And a wonderfully dedicated developer - dedicated to Linux and FOSS itself as an idea, which is something I think fewer celebrate than should.

Glad you enjoyed it!

livjq, do games w Giant Bomb, a web site about video games, has been purchased from Fandom

Honestly can’t believe it. So happy to see this on the stream.

ch00f, do games w What is the most "Indie Feeling" game that is definitely NOT from an Indie Studio?

Little Bit Planet

Azrael,
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So GOOD!!! You are right…

jjjalljs, do gaming w Let's hear both sides

It’s too bad steam doesn’t have a “mixed” review option.

Like Fallout4. It’s terrible. Bad story. bad gameplay. Buggy. But I still sometimes mod it the fuck up and play anyway, because I want a kind of stupid stealth shooter or to stomp around in power armor. So I don’t really recommend it, but you could do worse.

FooBarrington,

IMO this is a good thing. With a “mixed” option, it’s hard to know where the borders are for each person. Say you rate a game on a scale of 0-100 - is “mixed” 30-70, or 25-75, or 20-80, or anything else?

AFAIK with surveys etc. there’s also a bias towards the “middle” option. By not giving one, you force people to think harder about their opinion, which in turn makes the rating more useful.

jjjalljs,

Hmmm I see your point. I guess I’ll just keep giving “recommend / don’t recommend” reviews and writing the details with words.

Buddahriffic,

I wish it used a 5 star system instead of binary yes/no. I don’t like that “yeah, it’s a decent game” and “holy shit this game will change how you see games going forward” get weighed the same. A game that everyone kinda likes will have a similar rating to a game everyone loves.

Would also be nice if they had a “shows promise but it isn’t quite there yet”. Or a way of using ratings to encourage devs to address issues, and maybe a mechanism where certain issues can be tied to a review and then the dev can mark the issue as “addressed” to make those reviews expire with a notice to the user that the game might be much better for them now. It sucks to see a game with a bunch of negative reviews addressing an issue that was since fixed.

Ephera, do games w Why don't Oblivion and Morrowind turn the character model when you run in different directions?

You always attack into the direction that the camera is facing, so if the character was facing away, that would look quite weird.

idoit, do games w Steam Deck / Gaming News #13

Hey, just wanted to say I appreciate your posts. They give me the vibes of cracking open an old EGM. It’s nice to have a nice curated newsletter that doesn’t read like the SEO garbage that’s all over the web.

PerfectDark,
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Ahhh thank you so much!!!

Exactly what I am going for, since I wasn’t alive for the old blogs and newsletters and old gaming sites. I’m tired of sites begging for Patreon members, and using ads, and its all such a drain.

Thanks for saying so, it makes me so happy seeing anyone read these damn things!

Contemporarium,

I read all of these too and I love them so much!!! I don’t have to close 2 separate video players playing ads, one taking up the top half of the screen and the other taking up almost the entire bottom left or right…which pop back up after like 2 minutes.

There’s also no agenda or weird outrage- just pure gaming news and neat little oddities that I enjoy reading about.

You should definitely look into starting a website as well as a career in journalism because you are amazing at creating this here little ‘zine and I’d love to see it flourish into a career if it’s something you enjoy doing :)

Deestan, do games w Cities Skylines 2, Kerbal Space 2, Planet Coaster 2, Frostpunk 2... What Went Wrong?

In order:

  • Overscoped
  • Wrong people in charge on all levels
  • Unfocused
  • This turned out ok?
Shiggles,

I would sub in like maybe Darkest Dungeon 2 over Frostpunk? Less well received but still better than any of the other three. Both were distinct changes of pace, darkest dungeon just sold its soul to the epic games store and lost the bond you formed with characters over a long campaign in exchange for the roguelite shorter runs.

glimse,

Frostpunk 2 is great. I think it’s way harder than 1 but maybe that’s just because I haven’t sunk nearly the same hours in

Pheonixdown,

I had a decent time with it and probably would’ve played a 2nd run had the game not failed me because every faction (including the rebelling one) was too happy to pass the final law or whatever. They probably fixed that by now, but it was pretty souring.

edgemaster72, do games w Analog Retro Gaming: Water Toss
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dominiquec,
@dominiquec@lemmy.world avatar

Yah! I had one too. I miss that toy.

Metostopholes, do games w People who call the PS1 'PSX' make me want to kill kittens
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Nobody called it the PS1 until the PS2 came along. Sony codenamed it the PSX.

victorz, do games w 6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?

I play only on Linux, and it works great. Come on over!

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