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UKFilmNerd, do gaming w What video games have you played recently? What are you currently playing? And what will you play? - Discussion Thread #2
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I’m very much a one game at a time man. I’ve just finished Control and I’m currently about ten hours into Immortals: Fenyx Rising. I’ve got Cyberpunk 2077 waiting in the wings, don’t know when I’ll start that.

In terms of upcoming games in 2024, I’m looking forward to MudRunner Expeditions. I enjoyed the original game and Snow runner too a degree but the jobs became tiresome. The fact the new game is all about exploring really appeals to me.

retrieval4558, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

Not sure if this totally counts but my favorite is the Chao raising systems in the Sonic Adventure games

jarfil, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?

The best games of all time are: Go, Soccer, Chess, Poker, Tetris… they’ve stood the proof of time over and over again (respectively: 4000, 2300, 1400, 200, 40 years).

A honorable mention should go to Doom, as in the “can it run Doom?” meme, but it’s anyone’s guess whether it will stand for another 30 years.

All the likes of Zelda, Mario, Halo, Pokemon, etc. are going to get forgotten as soon as the last generation playing the last re-release as a kid, grows out of time to play it actively, and as servers for the multiplayer versions get shut down.

Kolanaki,
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Chess and Go are so old, I’m surprised that the best players in the world don’t already know every possible move to the point that the games are decided after both players make a single move.

jarfil,

They have an exponential number of valid positions, that happen to surpass human abilities to abstract, memorize, and predict.

Chess is estimated to have 10⁴⁰ valid moves, which means not even everyone playing chess throughout all of history, have explored all of them. Like, a billion people playing 1 distinct move a second for 1400 years, would only reach about 10²⁰ moves.

They still can be trained, meaning one person can be way better than another… but a computer trained even more, can be even better… and yet the games surpass even current computers abilities to explore the full possibility space. Maybe quantum computers will be able to do that.

mozz,
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Fun fact, mostly unrelated but something in your message reminded me: I once played against a guy at a Go club, and we had an enjoyable game but he beat me. He wanted to talk to me about the game afterwards, and he started replaying the game for me from memory so he could make commentary. He replayed a pretty decent chunk of the beginning; I honestly don't remember but I think around the first 25-30 moves of the game.

I later learned he was the visiting Go person who was just stopping by the club for social reasons but could demolish anyone. He was incredibly kind and polite.

jarfil,

Yeah, back in chess club at school, we also got a visit from the local (future) GM as a treat on one of the last days. He took us at something like 15 simultaneous games at once… and beat us all.

Go is slightly different; it only has one piece type, the rules are much simpler than chess, the board is much larger but with 8-fold symmetry, so the first 20-30 moves are likely to fall into some “basic” patterns in some of the octants. By comparison, the patterns in chess get hard to manage after just 10 moves, while Go pros may plan even 100 moves ahead. Where Go gets really complex, is when the patterns start meeting, and the complexity tends towards the 10¹⁷⁰ possible moves, way more than the 10⁴⁰ practical ones in chess.

Seasoned_Greetings,

All the likes of Zelda, Mario, Halo, Pokemon, etc. are going to get forgotten

I disagree. The reason being that video games and gaming of this caliber are completely unheard of in all of human history. We’ve come further in gaming tech over the last couple decades than the grand majority of all humans that have ever existed could even dream.

That being said, as long as emulation exists, there will be fans of big ips. The problem with saying “it’ll get forgotten as soon as the last person stops playing” is that the specific circumstance of modern gaming is unprecedented. People are still out there emulating games that came out in the 80’s. There’s really no rule saying this kind of technology won’t last hundreds or thousands of years like more classical games do.

tigeruppercut,

Doom will last at least until people born in the 80s die

misk, do zapytajszmer w Przechwytywanie neolibków.
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Antidota istnieją i robią super robotę, ale jeśli chcesz przekonać płaskoziemcę samymi faktami, to pewnie daleko nie zajdziesz.

Tych prawdziwie pierdolniętych nie przekonasz i z tym trzeba się pogodzić - na szczęście nie ma ich aż tak dużo. Reszta tej grupy głosuje zgodnie z tym co rozumieją jako własny interes (i to się da odczarować) i jako głos sprzeciwu (dużo trudniejsze, bo wymaga naprawy jakości klasy politycznej). Mogą być negatywnie nastawieni do kwestii praw człowieka, ale efektywnie mają to w dupie.

To co widzę jako najczęstszy błąd to próba zmiany poglądów ludzi o 180 stopni. Dużo skuteczniejsze jest stopniowe odradykalizowanie. Wyborcę konfederacji przekonaj do TD. Wyborcę TD do KO. KO do SLD, SLD do Razemu. I tak, TD bardzo nie różni się od konfederacji, ale jest częścią establishmentu więc usunąłeś jakiś element oporu przed pójściem dalej.

its_me_xiphos, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

I tried that return to moria game and it wasn’t my style. Felt a little janky, but amazing concept.

I fired up Valheim again and decided to close my eyes, delete my old worlds, and just go for a new solo experience. Having fun.

TheLongPrice, do gaming w What video games have you played recently? What are you currently playing? And what will you play? - Discussion Thread #2

Siralim ultimate

Pillars of eternity

Deep rock galactic

Cryptark

Invisible Inc

Noita

Loop Hero

Water1053, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

Gwent from Witcher 3

CalicoJack,

I’m pretty sure I spent more time playing Ghent than the actual game. And I’m still upset that the standalone version sucked.

Water1053,

The standalone just didn’t have that same magic

AlexisFR,
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Which one? The MP game or the SP one?

hal_5700X, (edited ) do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)
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The arcade games in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Triple Triad from Final Fantasy VIII

Chocobo Hot and Cold, & Tetra Master from Final Fantasy IX

acetone, do zapytajszmer w Przechwytywanie neolibków.
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Stworzyć i stworzymy.

montar_,

Dziękuje.

HotPurplePeach, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)
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Many people love Stardew Valley so I gave it a go. It was fun for a couple of hours, but it doesn’t really have any depth. But you can go to the tavern and hop on an arcade machine with a really fun minimalist twin-stick shooter called Journey of the Prairie King that’s actually pretty great. It’s fast paced and unforgiving, and I spent more time playing that than on actual farming and what not.

tsonfeir,
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SDV doesn’t have depth? 😳

HotPurplePeach,
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For me it was fun for like 5 hours, but I was massively let down after that. The combat is pretty basic so that got boring quickly, and the new maps pretty much didn’t have anything new except new vegetables and enemies with new skins. You learn everything you need to know about the game in the first couple of hours and after that there’s no challenge and no real reason to keep making money which makes the grinding pointless. It’s a good casual game if you like decorating the farm but it’s not my cup of tea.

tsonfeir,
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It’s about the story, which takes game-years.

HotPurplePeach,
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Ok, that’s a good point. I’m glad you enjoy that part of the game. I wasn’t really interested in “talking” to NPC-s and giving them gifts so I skipped that part of the game and certainly missed what some people like the most about it. As I said, not my cup of tea.

smeg,

FYI half of the game’s content is probably locked behind social interaction. Maybe that’s a bad way of phrasing it, it’s more like there are lots of different areas of the game (farming, exploring, dungeoneering, and socialising) and they all unlock more bits in the other areas. Either way you probably had a bad time as you were only getting a small slice of the game (though obviously that’s fine if you weren’t going to enjoy it anyway!)

yamanii, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)
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The host club manager minigame in Yakuza 0 and Kiwami 2, I don’t even remember their rewards, just that they were very fun. Compared to the real state minigame in 0 that was so boring I only remember the prize at the end, at least it was worth it

spoilerYou got Kyriu’s original fighting style as a 4th one that breaks the game with a fanservice scene that references the cover art of the first game.

vickyW,

I loved that mini game , it had great gameplay and very short and sweet story . I would buy it in a heard beat if it was a standalone game with more in-depth mechanics.

AgentGrimstone,

I love that song too. I need to remember to add that to my playlist.

UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

Wheels from Sea of Stars is ok. But it’s no Super Turbo Turkey Puncher 🦃 💥 👊🏻

Th3D3k0y,

Honestly the most fun I had on Wheels was before I realized the tutorial existed, and I was brute force learning the game with trial and error. Then the game kind of got really easy. Still fun though.

sneezycat, do gaming w How about starting a challenge #VoiceLikeAGirl to put on the other shoe in gaming?
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Not a voice mod, but my voice passes as fem now, so I started talking in VC.

Started playing phasmophobia and it’s a lot of fun, but sometimes you get one or two dudes that start making “funny” mysogynistic comments and it’s pretty annoying cause it’s the Same. Thing. Every. Time.

“Oooh it’s in the kitchen, must be a woman ghost!” Looks at me to gauge my reaction.

Joins room I say hi“A FEMALE??? I’m not playing with a female” disconnects

And more. Spawntaneous is a youtuber that has a series of videos about being a “girl gamer” and it’s very eye opening. You don’t get that kind of people every match, but you do get them every couple hours you play, and even if you somehow find it funny the first time, it gets old really quick.

CameronDev,

If they do just disconnect thats kinda a win, but still rude none the less :/

Thelsim, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?

One title that comes to mind is Anachronox. A western rpg with a really good story, interesting characters (one of your companions is an entire planet shrinked down to human size), fun humor and a cliffhanger that never got resolved.

I really wish they made a part 2 but I know it will never happen.

ampersandrew,
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It's an RPG made in the west, but I've always heard that it was notable for being a JRPG.

Thelsim,

It was a mix of both, the battle system was definitely like a JRPG that’s true.
Come to think of it, I’m not an expert on JRPG’s, so maybe it is? :) What else defines a JRPG?

ampersandrew,
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Definitions will vary from person to person, and plenty of games in each camp will represent some but not all of their defining characteristics, but you'll see some common themes. Historically, I've also preferred western RPGs by a wide margin, so that might color some of my definitions below. Also, both of these branches in RPGs had the same starting reference of D&D, and then a multi-decade game of whisper down the lane led to them diverging more and more.

Western RPGs:

  • character creation, choosing from classes that you'll often see represented by other NPCs
  • allocating attribute points, both at character creation and as you level up, that govern other things about your character
  • generally flatter power progression (you might do hundreds more damage at the end of the game than you do at the beginning, but not hundreds of thousands more damage)
  • in attempts to recreate the tabletop experience, will often times allow for outside-the-box solutions to problems besides combat as well as choices that affect the world state

JRPGs:

  • usually a finite cast of characters that level up more or less only in one way, but you might have a secondary system for them to customize with equipment beyond weapons and armor
  • combat usually doesn't involve positioning on something like a tactical map but rather a line of combatants on each side of the screen
  • magic and abilities are more often limited by a magic points resource instead of a rest system
  • dialogue with NPCs tends to be more limited in choices, telling a more linear narrative

I'll be honest, trying to differentiate these two with a list of bullet points was harder than I thought it would be to articulate. I'm almost more inclined to just say "I know it when I see it", haha. But for some points of reference, I'd say Baldur's Gate 3, Pillars of Eternity, and The Witcher 3 are western RPGs; Final Fantasy VII, Persona 5, and Pokemon are JRPGs; Sea of Stars is a JRPG that isn't made by a Japanese developer; and while also an action game, Dark Souls is closer to being a western RPG than a JRPG.

Thelsim,

When you put it like that I suppose Anachronox is definitely more of a JRPG. Either way, it’s a really good game :)

Thank you for your thorough explanation!

Kwakigra,

I think of it as a branching development becoming different design sensibilities. CRPGs influenced the game Dragon Quest, but JRPGS after DQ were influenced specifically by DQ and the games inspired from it such as the original Final Fantasy. CRPGS, MUDS, Dnd games, and Ultima became the basis for the Western sensibility which initially developed separately from the Dragon Quest branch (although there is still some crossover). This being the case, nowadays each region can make either Western RPGS or JRPGS because we all have pretty easy access to a lot of each others’ games and developers can make the games they prefer to make influenced by what they like regardless of its origin.

Undertale is a JRPG from the West. The maker of the game began making Rom hacks for Earthbound, a JRPG, and used the skills they learned doing that do create their own game. Dragon Quest>Earthbound>Undertale is pure JRPG. Other examples I can think of are messier, but that’s kind of the point.

FracturedPelvis, do gaming w What does everyone think about The Finals?
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It’s a shame it doesn’t run on linux though…

ZeroHora,
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I play with Proton Experimental, I don’t know if I’ll get banned, but until then I’ll keep playing.

FracturedPelvis, (edited )
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oh nice, Ill try again (I tried it ages ago and it was crashing, and protondb has a borked status)

edit: I confirm it works

ZeroHora,
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Now the status is silver, I don’t know if it was an update from them and they didn’t announce it, if it’s a Proton Experimental thing or just luck, but now it’s running.

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