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milkytoast, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th
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right now cp 2077 pl

stevecrox, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?

Pirate Trainer & Uru: Ages Beyond Myst

I remember trying Pirate Trainer in a Nvidia game booth when VR was new. It was incredible, years later I get a VR headset and its the free game. I don't understand how no one has improved upon it.

Uru was the first puzzle game I thought struck a good balance between physical and mental puzzles. They were set at a level that felt challenging but not impossible and laid out so you alternated really nicely. Myst Online actually went backwards in this

Trainguyrom,

I tried pirate trainer in a VR demo booth at a con and lost 2 hours thinking it has been 20 minutes!

CameronDev, do gaming w How about starting a challenge #VoiceLikeAGirl to put on the other shoe in gaming?

Dunno that we need much more experimentation, we all know what the outcome will be - Loads of sexual harassment and misogyny.

Also, the stastically correct way to “sound like a girl” is to mute and never speak up. Last time i read something on this topic, the gender balance in a lot of games is better than we think, but women overwhelmingly stay muted to avoid harassment.

The solution isnt more education/experimentation. Everyone who cares already knows what the problem is. Games need better moderation tools and clear community standards.

haui_lemmy,

I was very glad to read the last sentence. I agree fully. Easiest would be a report button that saves the last 60 seconds of voice, analyzes it with ai and check if something illegal/harassing was said and autokicks the person who said it.

Would not require more top down systems.

GregorGizeh,

Yeah that sounds totally reasonable and unintrusive, wtf. I don’t want my every word spoken in voice to be live analyzed by ai to see if I did a wrongthink.

Why not simply mute or kick if someone is being an asshole? Has served me well in all my years using discord or teamspeak.

haui_lemmy,

Apart from what you‘re interpreting into my words, I said if someone is harassing you or speaking about lets say the things they did with their daughter yesterday, you can report them and have a computer look into it instead of a human.

Whatever privileges you have in your discord, you cant kick just anyone in every place. You either need privileges or a moderator to do it normally and my idea was to use AI to analyze the reported stuff.

GregorGizeh,

I completely understand the sentiment of protecting children, but at the same time under that argument you can push the most dystopian and intrusive, overreaching legislature imaginable. It is the old balance of freedom versus safety, we can’t have complete safety without giving up all freedom.

And I think a constant ai driven monitoring of everything people say in the general vicinity of a microphone is very dystopian; which would be the eventual outcome of this.

haui_lemmy,

I’m just gonna repeat myself since this is the most common answer I get in those topics:

The vast majority of people is being listened in on, analyzed and manipulated on a daily basis by far, far worse actors. Storing 1 minute of VC for 1 minute only accessible to this hypothetical bot *if someone reports them - facing wrongful report consequences themselves is not comparable to real privacy threats.

GregorGizeh,

You don’t need to repeat yourself (and neither, be this condescending), I am well aware that this is happening to some degree already. Doesn’t mean I have to happily concede the little that is left.

haui_lemmy,

You‘re again interpreting something into my words that I didnt say. Maybe try not to play the victim in every comment. It’s abrasive.

It’s not happening to some degree. Its happening left right and center. Denying that a computer would help with vc moderation does not help at all.

Good day.

GregorGizeh,

Right back at ya buddy. I’m not putting words in your mouth.

And no matter how often times you repeat it, my discord call doesn’t constitute a threat to public safety.

CameronDev,

I personally lean more towards humans for moderation, as words alone dont convey the full intent and meaning. And this cuts both ways, benign words can be used to harass.

But of course, humans are expensive, and recordings of voice chat have privacy implications.

haui_lemmy,

generally, yes. But computers can take care of stuff very well at this point. Kicking someone for using the N-Word does not need meaning. Just dont use it, even if it is for educational purposes (inside a game-chat for example).

and recordings of voice chat have privacy implications.

I dont think we live in the same reality. over 30% in the US use Voice assistants that constantly listen in to their conversatoins (was just the first number I could find, I’m not from the US). Having a bot in a game VC chat store 1 minute of text for 1 minute for reporting purposes is like 0.00001% of what is going wrong with security stuff. Billions of people are getting analyzed, manipulated and whatnot on a daily basis. A reporting tool is not even the same game, let alone in the same ballpark in terms of privacy implications.

CameronDev,

Yeah, AI to knock out the egregious stuff (n-bombs etc) is prefectly reasonable. But there is still a lot of harassment that can happen the really needs a human to interpret. Its a balance.

The privacy i am thinking of is the legal side of things. Google/FB/Apple are huge companies with the resources to work through the different legal requirements for every state and country. Google/FB/Apple can afford to just settle if anything goes wrong. A game studio cannot always do the same. As soon as you store a recording of a users voice, even temporarily, it opens up a lot of legal risks. Developers/publishers should still do it imo, but i dont think its something that can just be turned on without careful consideration.

haui_lemmy,

Good thought. Thanks for bringing it up.

onlinepersona,

It’s not about experimentation, but awareness. Experiencing life as a woman IRL is not easy - you can’t get a sex change on a whim or quickly hop into a female body. In an online game however, changing your voice is the probably the most convincing way to do so and it’s quite easy.
If even a small percentage of men experiencing the other side of the coin became active in improving the gaming space, it would be something.

Waiting and hoping for better moderation tools and clear community standards is non-active course of “action”. It’s like saying "I’m not going to vote because the system is shit 🙅 " and expecting it to get better.

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CameronDev,

I appreciate what your saying, and you’re right that it is a passive course of action (unless one were to campaign/lobby for developers to implement moderation). But my point was that imo, everyone that cares about the problem is already aware of it, and more awareness doesn’t solve the problem either.

This has been a problem for decades, and pre-dates microphones and games. Any platform that allows users to send messages will be used to send abuse. The tried and true solution has always been moderation. Riot Games seemed to be making headway with their chat moderation tools, but i havent kept up with how that went.

At a certain point, awareness becomes preaching to the choir. The assholes who are causing the problem won’t change their behavior unless they are forced to.

onlinepersona,

But my point was that imo, everyone that cares about the problem is already aware of it, and more awareness doesn’t solve the problem either.

I’m not sure that’s true. Yes people who care are aware, but I’d argue there are many who don’t now and aren’t aware. I for example didn’t know the impact was measurable in performance. My gullet has been open a few times while gaming online and the regret kicked in not long after, but using my mic has been so rare, I wouldn’t have been able to tie the shitty responses to decreased performance.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the “gamer girls suck because they’re women” crowd joining the challenge figured out that they were part of the performance problem. That is if they had the ability to self-reflect, which probably the minority has.

At a certain point, awareness becomes preaching to the choir. The assholes who are causing the problem won’t change their behavior unless they are forced to.

Oh, in that regard, yes, I agree. At the very base level, assholes will be assholes and those people can only be forced or kicked out

CameronDev,

Yeah, i could be wrong about the level of awareness, i am a datapoint of one.

The performance part is interesting, but almost irrelevant imo. If the results had been that abusing your teammates improves their performance, it would still be wrong to do it.

I worry the people causing this problem are more likely to take the “abuse == tilt” information and use it to justify their behaviour :(.

onlinepersona,

I worry the people causing this problem are more likely to take the “abuse == tilt” information and use it to justify their behaviour :(.

A valid concern 😅

CosmicCleric, do games w Many players have become "patient gamers". What are games people might miss out on by waiting for sales?
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I think the rare missed game via patience is very worth the ability for all of us to keep pressure on game companies to keep gaming prices down/lower, by waiting for sales/out-of-early-access, etc.

Voting with your wallet does work sometimes.

Katana314,

I get that to some degree, but also look at it this way.

Developer A spends 10 years and lots of people’s time developing a heartfelt, memorable game, and prices it at $25 - keeping it at that price no matter what changes. Meanwhile, Developer B develops dozens of cheap games chasing crummy junk trends, and charges $60 initially for them, and discounting them down to $10 after two months. Theoretically, Developer A should deserve more of their money. But, many people will often see “83% off” and go for Developer B, even though the game refusing discounts is worth far more of people’s time.

I do think some people only really focus their wallet-voting in one direction. It should be not just avoiding expenditure on bad games, but also volunteering it on good games.

CosmicCleric,
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It should be not just avoiding expenditure on bad games, but also volunteering it on good games.

I definitely agree on purchasing good games, but only as long as they’re reasonably priced.

comicallycluttered, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

I finished Cassette Beasts a couple of days ago and now I can never go back to Pokémon.

I honestly can’t sing its praises enough.

Don’t even know if I can play any other monster tamers now. Still, I might pick up Coromon and/or Nexomon: Extinction or something else at some point, but man, Cassette Beasts absolutely spoiled me.

Highly recommend to anyone who’d like some chill vibes (with some dark moments to make for good contrast) and no significant stress in terms of strategy. Like, yeah, it technically matters when it comes to type advantages, but sometimes it’s just fun to fuck around and see what fusions you can come up with, regardless of type.

Oh, and if you like games where you aren’t restricted to gender norms and can romance anyone of any gender, also a good option.

I feel like if you enjoyed the vibe of games like Stardew Valley or Spiritfarer or (going old school here) Chrono Trigger, you’ll probably enjoy this, even if the gameplay is entirely different.

Honestly, even if you enjoy Pokémon but might be sick of it for whatever reason, it’s a nice change of pace as well. It has enough in common to feel familiar, but sets itself apart in a bunch of ways which make it stand entirely on its own.

Music is also great, though you might get sick of one song that repeats. And repeats. And repeats.

Malick23, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

Just finished Observer: System Redux. It’s a cyberpunk/horror game made by a Polish studio. They did a good job using the medium to create a sense of dread and foreboding.

Also playing Aurora, the free 4x most people compare to Dwarf Fortress. A new release came out a few weeks ago and it’s fun to learn the new mechanics.

Zworf,

Oh yeah with Rutger Hauer. I’ve been meaning to play that, I have it in my steam library. Thanks for the reminder.

Kuvwert, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

Baldur’s Gate 3 -Just best Heroic Mode for the first time and got those sweet sweet golden dice.

Im very excited to start a new playthrough and use em!

I’ve been thinking about giving Diablo 4 another shot… I haven’t played since release is the new season any good?

Poopfeast420,
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I’ve been thinking about giving Diablo 4 another shot… I haven’t played since release is the new season any good?

I've only played the current season (season 2) and it's very fun. However, it's almost over and the new season starts on the 23rd, so that's probably a better time to go back.

Kuvwert,

Good shout! I’ll do another honor mode run in BG3 until then

ConstableJelly, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

Alan Wake 2. I’ll spare any commentary on all the things it does well and that make it a one of the most ambitiously distinctive (AAA) games…ever? because that’s been well covered.

On the other hand, I am kinda surprised that the combat is as… deficient as it is. I never liked the combat experience in the first game. I don’t like how the enemies were programmed to run off screen to the sides of view, because Alan isn’t nimble enough to pivot direction sufficiently to track multiple enemies, and it just felt cheap and frustrating. Dodging is clunky too.

Control was the next Remedy game I played, and I thought the combat in that game was fantastic. The gunplay felt right, and the paranormal powers were weighty and responsive. Even the levitate power looks and feels fantastic; the animation is super cool and I love watching it.

So I had high hopes for Alan Wake 2, but the combat again feels too imprecise and unbalanced. Dodging is still clunky, projectiles clip through objects, etc.

Oh well. It’s a bummer, but in a game like this it’s well overshadowed by the strengths.

BillDaCatt, do gaming w What games do you think are unfairly snubbed when talking about the best games of all time?
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MS Solitaire, Space Pinball, and Minesweeper come to mind. They were not my favorites, but I know a few people who have a few hundred hours on one or more of those.

For me it's C&C Generals Zero Hour. I have had a copy since it released in 2003, it still works, and I still play it in single player mode at least once a week. It's great because it does not require a huge time commitment and campaign missions take about an hour or less to complete. To me it's one of the best RTS style games out there. My second favorite? C&C Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge.

I have also very much enjoyed the Assassin's Creed series up to AC Odyssey.

essellburns,

Adding my Voice for Zero Hour. Excellent game. the multiplayer, skirmish and campaign modes all have something to offer.

It’s crying out for a proper remake. Just a modern patch. Don’t change anything, just make it work easier, especially the networking

DdCno1,

I’m assuming you are already familiar with GenPatcher?

anton2492,

Seconding the other response. This page should have everything you need to get the game into an optimal, playable state. Like a breath of fresh air when I launched it again. Brilliant work by those involved in the fixes.

Damaskox, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th
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Tribal Wars. They came over Steam.
CastleClicker on mobile.
Path of Exile and Blade & Sorcery over VR.

peter, do gaming w What does everyone think about The Finals?
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It crashes probably 90% of the times I launch it but the few times I’ve managed to play I’ve found it to be a lot of fun

BlackEco, do gaming w What does everyone think about The Finals?
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I only played a couple hours yesterday, something like 5 games.

I like the gameplay: it’s relatively simple and for once my skills are not too shitty.

It seem to require quite a bit of cooperation and unfortunately, as I don’t have my group of friends anymore, I ended playing with randos which led to inconsistent games: one game I had a great team, the other we were too scattered to win.

Finally, I have to play a little bit more to form an opinion, but I’m afraid that the gameplay will be a bit too repetitive for me.

soviettaters,

Different playstyles can be fun and I’m doing much better than I expected with crossplay solo-queue

habanhero, do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

Dead Space (2008) ADS Cannon Puzzle. Epitome of game making. Guarantees 5 hours of your time whether you like it or not.

tsonfeir,
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Comms Array was pretty cool though.

CharlesReed, (edited ) do games w What are some of the best mini-games youve played? (games inside games)

I spent way more time than I should have playing Dice in Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
Edit: I also just remembered the hacking system in BioShock had a very mini-game feel to it. I had a lot of fun with those too.

yamanii,
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Very flash puzzle game from newgrounds

CharlesReed, do gaming w Weekly “What are you playing” Thread || Week of January 14th

Diablo 4: Season 2 - Nightmare dungeons galore.

Diablo 3: Season 30 - Season 30 started this week, so I've been working on leveling up my monk and completing Chapter 1 objectives.

Alan Wake 2 - Finished the game, and now I'm debating on going thru again on The Final Draft (aka new game plus) instead of moving on to Dead Space. I heard the beginning and end were slightly different and that there were extra manuscripts and videos to be found, plus I only have two achievements left, so why not go for 100%? Besides, I loved it. Remedy has been building a universe, and I can't wait to see what they come up with next. There's nothing that I've played from them that I haven't loved so far.
::: spoiler 🔦💥
There is a bit towards the end where you play as Alan and you're going through the forest and it had the original music from the first game. I didn't think this game would make me tear up, but it did during that section. I would love to see the original Alan Wake overhauled with the new engine. It would be phenomenal.
:::

Poopfeast420,
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Diablo 4: Season 2 - Nightmare dungeons galore.

I've only just started doing the dungeons, since I've only been playing for two weeks, but so far I'm not a big fan. It feels like there's only a few environments, not enough monster density, and the occasional backtracking is also boring (pretty short though, to be fair).

Diablo 3 has technically even less variety with its rifts, since it's just kill demons until a boss spawns, but it's just packed, and I loved blasting through tons of enemies. Although in a multiplayer session, when one player is just destroying everything at mach 2, and you're just waddling behind them, that's arguably worse (I played mostly solo or some friends, doing public sessions to farm bounties or materials).

The open world events, Helltide or Blood Harvest are a bit like the D3 rifts, just not as many enemies, but still really fun. It's a bummer that you can't just keep doing that, if you want to keep progressing your character.

Getting better Sigils is kind of a pain, since it's just RNG drops. I could easily do higher tier dungeons, but have to wait for them to drop. At least you're kinda guaranteed to get at least one Sigil on your current level I guess, so you don't have to move down. Now that I'm writing this, I gotta check if I can craft some higher tier ones, last time I was missing some materials, maybe it's not as bad.

CharlesReed,

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of the Nightmare Dungeons myself; the only reason to go through them is get glyph upgrades. It seems they rotate which dungeons become Nightmare ones each season, so I've been slowly working on a list of which I can go through the fastest so I can focus on other stuff.
iirc the Tree of Whispers is a guaranteed drop for sigils, but from what I've found they're usually lower tiered then what I want so I end up salvaging them anyway.

Poopfeast420,
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I was also dumb with getting higher level Sigils. The first option at the crafter was for some special thing, where I didn't have all the mats back then, and the next one was 20-25 (incidentally my own tier, when I first looked), but I just didn't scroll down. I can in fact craft up to tier 100, so at least that part doesn't seem as bad. Skipping a bunch of these lower tiers should speed up leveling the glyphs at least a bit.

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