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Torque2101, do games w CD Projekt recommends starting a new game when Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 drops: 'starting fresh will enhance your overall gameplay experience'

I'll take "things that should be obvious if you're not a gonk" for 100, Alex.

Donebrach,
@Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

Seriously was anyone not gonna do this?

neokabuto,

I don’t have the free time anymore to start over if I want to play the DLC this year.

Retreaux,

Seriously the assumption of free time that corpos have for their consumer base is WILD, but it just feeds into the ‘must have 100% market share’ mentality that drives the culture as we lose every shred of our living moments on anything but living

flux, do games w CD Projekt recommends starting a new game when Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 drops: 'starting fresh will enhance your overall gameplay experience'
@flux@lemmy.world avatar

“Hey gonks! Remember that game we released and was dirty as hell but you all gave up the eddies because we told you it was preem. We finally have the game we should have released just 3 years later. Go ahead and flatline your 200hr characters and reboot.”

AttackPanda,

I wish I had the fortitude to start over at 140 hours deep into my character but damn I’m not sure I do.

VentraSqwal,

Same. But I have wanted to explore other characters. My current one I made a baseball bat wielding, hard punching, aggressive nomad punk with a heart of gold, with some sniper secondary skills. Basically what I imagined a nomad would be like, with the skills I thought they’d have.

I kind of want to see what it’s like as full stealth or a corpo hacker or a street samurai katana wielder or knife thrower.

JJROKCZ,

If you got 200hours out of release then clear you got your moneys worth out of the game and enjoyed it, promises not kept or not.

Personally the game could’ve been better but I certainly enjoyed the one 120ish hour playthrough I did and had no major issues other than some texture bugs or weird physics, I had a capable PC though not a last gen console trying to play at being modern.

anonono,

by that definition you get your money’s worth of every movie you watch in the theater, the longer the better.

it’s a shitty take.

don’t pretend they didn’t screw up.

muse, (edited )
@muse@kbin.social avatar

And don't circlejerk over the dead horse that this game is unsalvageable because it had a shitty release. People forgave No Man's Sky, but the internet won't let this one go.

anonono,

You got it completely wrong.

Shitty games with shitty releases go into oblivion, the game is obviously good.

I’m not criticizing the game, I’m criticizing the company and the billionaries that preside it and decided people swallow it all up if they launched a game in the state they did.

orbitz,

I agree but I think it took about this long from Cyberpunk released till there was a better outlook on No Man’s Sky and I bought both at release, I enjoyed both, but I’d say at release Cyberpunk was a better game at launch (I didn’t have any bugs I got lucky). NMS did much more work on content in the following years to where it’s barely the same experience. Has been awhile since I restarted Cyberpunk will do for 2.0 though. Maybe I haven’t caught much newer content and they added it but it seemed updates were tweaks / fixes than content.

RaivoKulli,

People shouldn’t have forgiven NMS for their blatant and shitty lies either

MiltownClowns,

The analogy your looking for is that you get your money’s worth out of every movie you see 3 times in the theater but only pay once.

it’s a shitty take.

don’t pretend you didn’t screw up

Primarily0617,

if there was a movie that was 200 hours long and you chose to stay for the entire duration and not walk out, then you either enjoyed the movie or you need to learn about the sunk-cost fallacy

barsoap,

weird physics

MOTORCYCLES SUDDENLY DID NOT STOPPIE ANY MORE

My disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined. This was a feature, not a bug.

Retrograde,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I’m sure someone’ll mod it back in

gothicdecadence,

I did a heavily modded 90hr playthrough and loved it. Dealt with a ton of crashes though 😅 I’m planning on playing this vanilla finally, or very lightly modded for UI and stuff.

JJROKCZ,

Yea I played vanilla release over 100 hours, then some ui/qol mods. Looking forward to a vanilla 2.0 and dlc run then maybe see what some of these overhaul mods are doing a few months after that once they’ve been patched up

RaivoKulli,

I played it on PS4. CDPR said it plays surprisingly well on it.

Lmao

TigrisMorte,

PC launch play was mostly fine. Only Console launch, mostly caused by massive delusion about min. spec.s, was f'd up completely. The PC issues were also the easiest to fix and even when they could fix the Console issues, they had to convince the Console store's Owners that the relaunch wouldn't be a shit show. But then I play on PC and so expect similar to last time, once I buy it after it launches.

WeLoveCastingSpellz,
@WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.fmhy.net avatar

Petty AF. Massive update that overhaults the game and dlc its common practice to restart at updates like this

flux,
@flux@lemmy.world avatar

I’m actually a fan of the game. I’m excited to play it. I just find it funny they are saying they have made it so much better that they recommend starting over. My point is that they are saying they finally got a lot of things “right” in 2.0 that we were playing an inferior game with quite a few quaility issues. Probably due to deadlines, etc. I’m happy devs continue to improve based on sales and feedback to make it better.

Chev,

You make it sound like they are forcing you to do so. You have the freedom of choice.

flux,
@flux@lemmy.world avatar

Of course. I’m happy they are allowing you to continue. I’ll keep going as I like the game.

Rampsquatch,

If you sunk 200 hours into the game, was it really that awful?

flux,
@flux@lemmy.world avatar

No it’s a good game. I like it even with the qc issues because it’s ambitious. But the devs are basically admitting that they worked on it for 3 years to fullfill the original vision and it’s so much better that it’s worth starting over.

notaviking, do games w Stacked 3D cache is coming to Intel CPUs, and gamers should be excited (should we?)

Imagine a ±6GHz CPU with 3D cache. Now we just have to wait for LTT to fuckup the graphs

KalabiYau, do games w Stacked 3D cache is coming to Intel CPUs, and gamers should be excited (should we?)
@KalabiYau@lemmy.world avatar

I think so. The AMD 3D cache CPUs are impressive in terms of gaming performance (though the inability to overclock them still leaves some benefit to non-3D cache CPUs. Non-3d cache CPUs are also great for everything other than gaming).

kemsat, do games w Cyberpunk 2077 2.0's revamped police force is finally good enough

This is a good change, but I hope the game doesn’t become just another GTA.

candyman337, (edited ) do games w Stacked 3D cache is coming to Intel CPUs, and gamers should be excited (should we?)

Oh boy can’t wait to have cups that burn a hole right through their coolers

I’d really love it if we’d just have a generation or two where they focused on making cpus more efficient and less hot rather than ramping power every generation , same with gpus

deranger,

This only got bad with the most recent generation of CPUs. AMD 5xxx series is very efficient as demonstrated by Gamers Nexus. The Intel CPUs from 2500k to idk, 8xxx series? were efficient until they started slapping more cores and then cranking the power on them.

candyman337,

Yes the second thing about cranking power and cores is what I’m talking about.

Also, as far as gpus, the 2000 series was ridiculously power hungry at the time, and it looks downright reasonable now. It’s like the Overton window of power consumption lol.

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deranger, (edited )

I dunno, I ran a 2080 on the same PSU that I used on a 2013 build, a 650W seasonic. Got some graphs? Power consumption didn’t seem to jump that bad until the latest gen.

My current 3090 is a power hog though, that’s when I’d say it started for Nvidia (3000 series). For AMD, 7000 series CPUs, and I’m not really sure for Intel. 9900k was the last Intel CPU I ran, it seemed fine. I was running a 9900k/2080 on the same PSU as the 2500k/570 build.

candyman337, (edited )

As for as the 2080 goes, like I said, it was big FOR THE TIME, and power hungry FOR THE TIME. It’s still reasonable especially for today’s standards

As for as the last two gens, 3000 and 4000 series, they are known to draw more than their rated power requirements, which, for their min recommended psu wattage, 3080 was 50 watts more than the 2080 (750w), and 4080 was 100 w more than that (850w)

To add to that, both of these gens of cards, when doing graphics intensive things like gaming, can overdraw power and have been known to cause hard shutdowns in pcs with PSUs that are even slightly higher rated than their min rec. Before these last two gens you could get away with a slightly lower than rated wattage PSU and sacrifice a little performance but that is definitely no longer the case.

And sure, the performance to watts used is better in the 3080, but they also run 10+ degrees hotter and the 4000 series even moreso.

I just hope the 5000 series goes the way of power consumption refinement rather than smashing more chips onto a board or vram fuckery like with the 4060, like I’d be happy with similar performance on the 5000 series if it was less power hungry

Fermion,

The 7 series are more efficient than the 5 series. They just are programmed to go as fast as thermals allow. So the reviewers that had really powerful coolers on the cpus saw really high power draw. If instead you set a power cap, you get higher performance per watt than the previous generations.

Having the clocks scale to a thermal limit is a nice feature to have, but I don’t think it should have been the default mode.

dudewitbow,

Intel became less efficient because of how long they were stuck on 14nm. In order to compensate to beat amd in performance mindshare, they needed to push the clocks hard.

Overtime, cpus have been sitting closer to max clock, defeating the purpose of overclocking to many, where adding 1GHz was not out of the ordinary. Now getting 0.5GHz is an acheivement.

ono,

I felt the same when the current-gen CPUs were announced, but when I looked closer at AMD’s chips, I learned that they come with controls for greatly reducing the power use with very little performance loss. Some people even report a performance gain from using these controls, because their custom power limits avoid thermal throttling.

It seems like the extreme heat and power draw shown in the marketing materials are more like competitive grandstanding than a requirement, and those same chips can instead be tuned for pretty good efficiency.

candyman337,

Yeah I’m talking about Nvidia and Intel here, but tbh ryzen 4000 cpus run pretty hot, but they also optimized ryzen quite a bit before they changed to this new chip set, which makes sense to me. Seems like Nvidia and Intel are worried about what looks good power wise on paper rather than optimization sometimes.

dudewitbow,

AMD uses 290/390 to compete with Nvidias 970, people buy Nvidia, shoulda bought a 390 meme is born after the 3.5 gb vram controversy happens. AMd mocked for high power consumption.

AMD releases 6000 series gous to compete with Nvidias Ampere line, uses a notibly significant lower power draw, people still buy Nvidia.

Power draw was never part of the equation.

candyman337,

That’s because Nvidia still has the leg up on rtx, but that doesn’t mean Nvidia shouldn’t be thinking about it. I’m not talking about what the market directs them to do, I’m talking about what I hate personally

dudewitbow, (edited )

I mean they did this generation technically. All of the rtx 4000 cards sans the 4090 are fairly efficient… only because nvidia moved the names of the gpu for each tier thats not the halo card.

Point is, you cant have everything and people generally prioritize performance first. Because efficiency has rarely gave either gpu company more profit gpu wise.

If you cared about efficiency, Nvidia answer to people would be buying their RTX 4000 SFF Ada(75w ~3060ti perf) or RTX 6000 Ada… if you can afford it.

scottmeme, do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email

Microsoft needs to to have a massive anti trust lawsuit thrown at them

Sabata11792,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

Microsoft is a US company operating in the US. That means US law dose not apply.

Murvel, (edited ) do games w Cyberpunk 2077 2.0's revamped police force is finally good enough

Just leaves the other half of the game to be fixed. I swear I gave it another go a month ago, and it was as buggy as the first time I played it. Just with new bugs, this time around.

edit: it’s still a buggy fucking game

paddirn,

I never suffered from the game-stopping bugs others had, but IMO the other half of the game that needs fixed is the storyline itself. The character’s storyline itself is so linear that nothing you really do makes a difference, your background is just reduced to a set of extra dialogue choices. It’s all just window dressing over a very on-rails game. All they needed to do was just copy GTA V more and it’d be an improvement over this game.

Kaldo, (edited ) do games w Cyberpunk 2077 2.0's revamped police force is finally good enough
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Tbh I'm still not sure what the point of it is. In gtav you get into trouble with police if you rob shops, steal cars or drive over pedestrians, among other things like scripted missions. In saints row it's about gang warfare and them being a nuisance during your city demolition. In mafia you have to obey road laws, hide weapons from plain sight and they are generally a bigger threat.

You can't rob stuff or do heists in 2077, you can summon your own car for free at any point so no need to steal them and since you can fast travel you don't drive as much anyway. The missions that do have car chases are heavily scripted and on the rails.

Is this something just for people who want to go out of their way to fight endless waves of cops and thats it or am I missing something that makes it such a hype worthy feature?

SeedyOne,

It was a huge immersion breaker for anyone not going stealth/low profile (as the author admits he does). In fact, it was the reason I haven’t played until now. I guess I’m a patient gamer and it irked me what was missing from launch. I’d built my 2070 machine for this game years ago and now I’m stoked to have a 3080 to break it in with.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Seems more immersion breaking to me that you can fight maxtac and get away with it in the first place, or that they all still just forget about you if you hide for a minute or two out of sight, but we'll see. Maybe I'm just missing something and will appreciate it ingame more.

Potatos_are_not_friends,

Driving was a huge immersion breaker. After 15 feet, there was literally no pedestrians. There was barely no other cars on the road.

echodot, do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email

Well yeah.

How is this news?

YuzuDrink,

Thank you. Obviously “we would buy them if we could” is given; but just as obviously, this was just wishful thinking out loud.

BruceTwarzen, do games w Cyberpunk 2077 2.0's revamped police force is finally good enough

Only took 3 years.

thenicnet, (edited ) do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email
@thenicnet@kbin.social avatar

No.

CarlsIII, do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email

What a coincidence, me too!

Kolanaki, do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email
!deleted6508 avatar

He’s said that way before 2020, also. Publicly. It seems that has not changed. Most in that kind of position would come to the same conclusions of buying up the competition and making money off their products. It’s cheaper, it’s easier, you already get the infrastructure and customer base, etc. What capitalist wouldn’t try to go that route?

Whirlybird,

Exactly. He’d be a terrible exec if he didn’t want to.

geosoco, do gaming w Microsoft would buy Valve 'if opportunity arises,' said Phil Spencer in leaked email

Is there a company they wouldn't buy? Unity maybe?

Luvon,

Why not? Buy low, right? Best time to it is after a company stupidly tabled their value and trust right 😂

PrinzKasper,
@PrinzKasper@kbin.social avatar

Honestly might not be such a bad idea. Unity is built on .Net, which Microsoft also owns. The teams could work together to get Unity modernized and cleaned up, and I bet developers would trust Microsoft more than Unity (Consider that Microsoft also owns VS Code, Github, npm and more that tons of devs frequently use)

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